NEW explanation for why God killed babies in the OT (Heresy?)

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And for all these platitudes you still cannot deny this god still allegedly commanded Abraham to slay his own son and left him in that state for three days.

You are welcome to such a god, me, I went elsewhere long ago.
 
You apparently cling to the Christian idea that G-d is Love. Again, Judaism does not define G-d that way. In fact, it does not define G-d at all, or perhaps more in the sense of what he is NOT, rather than what He is. Any definition of G-d is too limiting (by definition!). But even the belief that G-d is Love must incorporate the many features of G-d’s Love. Since we are created in G-d’s image, a pale reflection of those features can be found in human love as well. What I mean is that love does NOT consist solely of kumbaya feelings toward others. Love ALSO may include fairness, discipline, testing, and, yes, even trial and punishment. As the French say: “Qui aime bien chatie bien” (Who loves well, punishes well.) How much more so, therefore, is G-d likely to incorporate these other features in His love for us humans, which includes His love for Abraham.
 
So, the communion of saints is not a body of rational creatures.
At the moment? No. But… that’s what it means to not be immutable. 😉
Most of them have no sensitive powers. How would you and Guido Rostrum resolve that consequence of your all so clever and jolly omission?
No resolution necessary. The ‘body/soul unity’ is restored in the eschaton, and at that point, all become what they were intended to be. And we’ll all be clever and jolly. 😉
Surely dead men tell no tales. But the communion of saints intercedes for us… apparently without rational intellect.
Precisely – intercession occurs, but not because the souls in heaven perceive by their own power! Rather, through God and His mercy, the souls in heaven are enabled to ‘perceive’ and intercede for us. So glad you now recognize this dynamic. (Wait… what? You actually thought that the souls in heaven intercede for us by their own power of sensation and ratiocination? sigh:roll_eyes: )
Sure I will learn plenty about Aquinas through your analysis.
One can only hope. 😉
 
I did, you agreed that Scripture demonstrates your god can repent at any time of his past decision and change his mind. You further stated that we are not meant to understand your god’s ways but just obey. His ways are not our ways afterall.

There are no ad hominems - unless you are sensitive to being embarrassed by the logical conclusions that your above principles lead to. Nobody here considers demonstrating an argument failure to be an ad hominem.

Your turn…
What do you call this? A compliment?
And you are a scary fellow Catholic to be willing to let someone in authority treat you like that.
As to which God I worship, read the book of Exodus and judge for yourself:
6Then the LORD passed by in front of him and proclaimed, “The LORD, the LORD God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in lovingkindness and truth; 7who keeps lovingkindness for thousands, who forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the guilty unpunished, visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.
 
But he can repent and change his mind at any time according to your understanding…
And so still ask us to slay our children…and maybe one day mean it.

And we must obey, because your god’s ways are not our ways and the essence of morality is always obeying authoritative voices in our hearts without questioning whether they truly are of God.

As you are unwilling to deny my logical observations on your stated positions, but can only say I am making “ad hominems” there is nothing more to say - and you really need to have a deep think over the things you have been saying on this thread.

God’s peace.
 
And your philosophy would rather have God be like you instead of you being like God. It is pretty sad if you ask me.
 
Yes, I generally agree with what you say. However, that very last verse concerning the iniquity of the fathers visited upon their children and grandchildren and so forth has been interpreted (mainly by Jewish scholars, I believe) NOT in the sense that the children of the iniquitous are automatically guilty and punished by G-d. Rather, it means that these children, due to their been raised in homes by evil parents, reflect very likely the negative result of such childrearing in their own behavior. Thus it is not G-d who directly punishes them, but instead their own parents by setting a bad example.
 
And your philosophy would rather have God be like you instead of you being like God.
Think deeply about what you just wrote and what you said here…
Yep, God changed His mind. So?
I suggest my God is not like us fickle humans because He does NOT change his mind.
Your anthropromorphic god does, just like you (and me).

That is precisely where we part ways.
 
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How is changing one’s mind fickle? Of all the times God changed His mind in Scripture, about 99% of the time He does this to show His mercy. The fact that I believe God changes His mind shows that I attest to His mercy.
 
That’s not a god I am interested in, nor the one I see in Genesis.
But then, unlike yourself, I am not forced to believe that every word said to be from God actually is.

An that OT approach is acceptable to the Catholic Church now.
Obviously not for you.
 
That’s not a god I am interested in, nor the one I see in Genesis.
But then, unlike yourself, I am not forced to believe that every word said to be from God actually is.

An that OT approach is acceptable to the Catholic Church now.
Obviously not for you.
Acceptable doesn’t mean the norm.
 
God is omniscient. Mortals are not. Avoid the calls to disobedience by the serpent, eat not of the fruit of the tree, and lean not on your own understanding.

Abraham had this faith. Eve and Adam faltered. Where do you stand?
 
It certainly means its valid and yours is but one view among many.
The way you “discuss” gives every impression you believe your view allows of no other.
 
I am speaking this way since that has been the dominant view in the history of the Church (and still is, by the way).
 
So you really have nothing to offer on a thread that asks for new (and presumably Catholic) views.
Nothing more to say to you now sorry.
 
And this is the other problem. Fair enough if God does the killing by famine disease etc.
What gets me going is when He asks fellow humans (so we are told) to do his dirty work.
He asks his “fellow humans” to do his good work, why not his “dirty” work?

I mean if it is “good enough” for God to do, why is it not “good enough” for humans to do?

This implies that God is absolutely just in everything he does – there is no injustice in what he does. So if God has determined that taking a life is what absolute justice demands, why would it make any difference whether it is carried out by famine, plague, or a human moral agent?
 
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And for all these platitudes you still cannot deny this god still allegedly commanded Abraham to slay his own son and left him in that state for three days.

You are welcome to such a god, me, I went elsewhere long ago.
Sounds reminiscent of the God who permitted his own son to be slayed and left him “in that state” for three days.

 
  1. For the reasons stated. Humans dont have full knowledge and the purity of heart to carry out by proxy functions that truly belong to God alone…without causing more disorder than the proxy functions are meant to fix in the first place. eg “just” war, eg capital punishment.
  2. God doesnt actually command those things anyways.
 
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