New Good Friday Prayer for 1962 missal

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latinmasslover said:
So the grand purpose of V-II was __________? Reading the documents of that Council it appears to be trying to make the Church “nice.” How is that not the politically correct thing to do?
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If you really wnat to know what the purpose of Vatican 2 wa, you might try reading what Benedict 16th has said about it. Considering he was one of the advisors to the bishops, one might possibly think he might have a clue about it.
 
otjm said:
If you really wnat to know what the purpose of Vatican 2 wa, you might try reading what Benedict 16th has said about it. Considering he was one of the advisors to the bishops, one might possibly think he might have a clue about it.
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Indeed; the Ratzinger Report is quite good.
 
otjm said:
Changing a prayer isn’t necessarily equal to fornication… My, how Moral Theology has changed.

That is the most unique comparison I have yet to see, and I have seen a few.

It is really good to know that you don’t consider that Benedict 16th’s change of a prayer is not necessarily equal to fornication.

Do I take it you could consider it possibly equal to fornication?
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My point with the “nessarily” was that a prayer being changed could be equal to the sin of fonication (gravity-wise) if it was a theologically incorrect prayer, or if it gave that impression beyond. I just thought I’d be specific.
 
AlexV said:
The people who need to “read the documents” are the neo-Vandals and neo-Huns who wrecked churches, banned Latin, chant, and polyphony, etc., etc., etc., all the while claiming “Vatican II” demanded their tyranny.
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I do not disagree that those who simply used the phrase “Vatican 2”, or even better, “spirit of Vatican 2” need to read the documents.

But I see no reason that it should be limited to them; it might help others who are so quick to be dismissive of the documents to read them too. We have one pope (JP2) who sought during his time as pope to implement the documents; and like him, his successor has also said that the documents have not been fully implemented. Given that two popes, both brilliant, saw the documents as very good things for the Church, I am a bit tired of the carping of the psuedo intellectuals who are so dismissive of them. Both JP2 and B 16 seem to think the documents are not so vague as to not be understandable, or unable to provide direction to the Church, or unable to benefit the Body of Christ. I am willing to put my money on those two, as opposed to those who seem to think that we just need to ignore the documents.

Understand, I have been around since well before V2. I have seen what has occured in the “name” of the documents and make no suggestion that the flights of fancy that have occured are in any way correct. The liberals and the idiots who have gone far astray from the documents receive no support from me. But if JP2 felt the documents werre to be implemented, and his successor feels likewise, then I would suggest that those who rail so hard against what has occured take time to actually listen to what the 2 popes have been saying.
 
otjm said:
If you really wnat to know what the purpose of Vatican 2 wa, you might try reading what Benedict 16th has said about it. Considering he was one of the advisors to the bishops, one might possibly think he might have a clue about it.
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The way he sees it and the way many liberals see it are very different, which is a point that I wanted to make.

I haven’t read much of Pope Benedict’s writings, to my shame. I will follow your advice though. Aside from the Ratzinger Report, is there anything else specific of his you’d like to recommend?
 
Truly amazing. The Pope modifies a prayer for the salvation of the Jewish people, maintaing the desire for their salvation through Christ, and removing inflammatory language…

And we get five pages of anti-Vatican II rants to show for it.

And to think Bishops aspire to the Chair of Peter.

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Looks like the Jews dictate how Roman Catholics should worship God!. Maybe we can find something in their worship that is offensive to us!!.
 
Brother_John said:
Truly amazing. The Pope modifies a prayer for the salvation of the Jewish people, maintaing the desire for their salvation through Christ, and removing inflammatory language…

And we get five pages of anti-Vatican II rants to show for it.

And to think Bishops aspire to the Chair of Peter.

😦
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I think we need to go back to pre-Vatican II where complaining about the Pope got you a severe knuckle-rapping with a long ruler.
 
rien said:
EWTN and Catholic Answers highlight Moss and Schoenstein. They imply there is a dual coventant. Read Schoentisn’s book ‘Salvation is From The Jews’ and see what Moss’s brother high up in the Hebrew Catholic Association says.
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And nowhere in either of these works do the authors suggest that the Old Covenant has ever been or is in anyway salvific for the Jews. The Limbo of the Fathers is Dogma, and the Jewish Covenant didn’t save even the Old Testament Fathers, let alone the Jews of today. Even Roe Schoeman recognizes the fact that Jews must convert to the Catholic Church and he doesn’t imply that there is a “dual-covenant.”
 
bkovacs said:
Looks like the Jews dictate how Roman Catholics should worship God!. Maybe we can find something in their worship that is offensive to us!!.
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We can all be pretty sure that those very same Jews that control all the money and power and banks and media in the world are the very same Jews that “dictated” to the Pope to change the prayer:shrug:
 
Brother_John said:
oh nooooooooooooo…it’s Sister Dorothella…RUN

:crying:
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Would this be the same Sister that demands respect and attention during the Holy Mass? Or is this the one that jumps for joy to Holy Communion in jeans and make-up?
 
latinmasslover said:
Would this be the same Sister that demands respect and attention during the Holy Mass? Or is this the one that jumps for joy to Holy Communion in jeans and make-up?
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Does it really matter, as long as she understands she is receiving and is in the presence of, the Blessed Sacrement?
 
Brother_John said:
Does it really matter, as long as she understands she is receiving and is in the presence of, the Blessed Sacrement?
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It does matter, she has an example to set. She’s not in the presence of Bozo the Clown, but God Almighty.
 
latinmasslover said:
It does matter, she has an example to set. She’s not in the presence of Bozo the Clown, but God Almighty.
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Well, I thank God, then…that he has provided people such as youself to act in judgement on his behalf.

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