New report: Abortions in US drop to lowest level since 1974

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DeniseNY said:
Some of these posts on a Catholic message board are really sad. šŸ˜¦
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But not everyone who posts on the board are Catholics or practicing Catholics. How can you attract these others to your faith if you only allow posts by Catholics who do not use ABC or who do not sin according to the Church in other ways? Wouldnā€™t that only result in the most faithful Catholics conversing among themselves.
 
Sy_Noe said:
But not everyone who posts on the board are Catholics or practicing Catholics. How can you attract these others to your faith if you only allow posts by Catholics who do not use ABC or who do not sin according to the Church in other ways? Wouldnā€™t that only result in the most faithful Catholics conversing among themselves.
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I didnā€™t say anything about not allowing non-Catholics to post. Not sure where or how you got that from my post.
 
DeniseNY said:
I didnā€™t say anything about not allowing non-Catholics to post. Not sure where or how you got that from my post.
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You were complaining about sad posts. I just assumed you didnā€™t mean by those who adhere to all the CC teaches about ABC.
 
TMC said:
Yes. The decline in abortion is mainly due to the decline in unwanted pregnancies, which is due to the increased access to birth control.
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And abortifacients, and an aging population.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
So even the states that havenā€™t further restricted it have seen decreases. So, this means people are getting better at not getting pregnant?
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More like access to good programs that teach safe sex as well as solid sex education probably help. Condoms and even Plan B help as wellā€¦
 
_Abyssinia said:
If an increase in contraception usage is the be all and end all to reducing abortion rates, then why in several countries that saw an increase in the use of contraception did they also see an increase in the abortion rate? As shown below:

patheos.com/blogs/badcatholic/2012/11/does-contraception-reduce-the-abortion-rate.html

So perhaps there is something else going on here than an increase in contraception being the answer for a decline in the abortion rate.
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Fair point. Perhaps Americans have learned how to use it better (no skipping days, etc.). I donā€™t have any stats to back this up, however.

Whatever the correlation, Trump has suggested that birth control be made available without prescription, and he calls himself pro-life. So he must be a believer.
 
ProVobis said:
Fair point. Perhaps Americans have learned how to use it better (no skipping days, etc.). I donā€™t have any stats to back this up, however.

Whatever the correlation, Trump has suggested that birth control be made available without prescription, and he calls himself pro-life. So he must be a believer.
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Yes. Many people who identify as pro-life think contraception is the answer. Different anthropologies.

No one has bothered to credit the hard work of pregnancy help centers. Iā€™ve seen a wall in one covered with pictures of children who faced abortion.
 
TCEL said:
Yes. Many people who identify as pro-life think contraception is the answer. Different anthropologies.

No one has bothered to credit the hard work of pregnancy help centers. Iā€™ve seen a wall in one covered with pictures of children who faced abortion.
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Is it mostly only Catholics who are in the so called pro-life camp that oppose contraception? Evangelicals for instance are more open to it, arenā€™t they?
 
Sy_Noe said:
Is it mostly only Catholics who are in the so called pro-life camp that oppose contraception? Evangelicals for instance are more open to it, arenā€™t they?
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I donā€™t have numbers, but I think it safe to say yes. That doesnā€™t mean there arenā€™t exceptions, or that people arenā€™t open to reconsideration. And yes, ā€œpro-lifeā€ is the general and accepted term to denote people who are against abortion. I havenā€™t encountered people who seriously contest that understanding, just as I donā€™t contest the term ā€œpro-choice.ā€
 
NM505StKate said:
More like access to good programs that teach safe sex as well as solid sex education probably help. Condoms and even Plan B help as wellā€¦
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Also, I suspect many who are pro-choice would personally choose not to abort if such a situation occurred personally, but I have no data on this.
 
TCEL said:
I donā€™t have numbers, but I think it safe to say yes. That doesnā€™t mean there arenā€™t exceptions, or that people arenā€™t open to reconsideration. And yes, ā€œpro-lifeā€ is the general and accepted term to denote people who are against abortion. I havenā€™t encountered people who seriously contest that understanding, just as I donā€™t contest the term ā€œpro-choice.ā€
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Let me be the first you encounter then with a different understanding. šŸ™‚ For me pro life means so so much more. Universal healthcare. Concern about climate change. The death penalty. Food aid and shelter. War. Gun control. To name a few things that affect lives.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
Also, I suspect many who are pro-choice would personally choose not to abort if such a situation occurred personally, but I have no data on this.
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Oh I think you are absolutely correct. Many pro choice people might very well never choose to abort a pregnancy of their own based on their own faith and beliefs and consultations with their doctors and family and spiritual advisors and of course in the case of believers following prayer. Thatā€™s why I find equating pro choice with pro abortion to be such a misnomer.
 
Sy_Noe said:
Let me be the first you encounter then with a different understanding. šŸ™‚ For me pro life means so so much more. Universal healthcare. Concern about climate change. The death penalty. Food aid and shelter. War. Gun control. To name a few things that affect lives.
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Oh, I understand. But this is the parlance. ā€œPro-lifeā€ is the accepted term, just as ā€œanti-lifeā€ and ā€œanti-choiceā€ arenā€™t as common. (Though I do see ā€œanti-choiceā€ in headlines from time to time.)
 
Sy_Noe said:
Let me be the first you encounter then with a different understanding. šŸ™‚ For me pro life means so so much more. Universal healthcare. Concern about climate change. The death penalty. Food aid and shelter. War. Gun control. To name a few things that affect lives.
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Most of those issues have solutions that in the end do more unintentional harm than good.

On the issue of abortion, if it were fine, it wouldnā€™t need to be defended with euphemisms as Ben Shapiro consistently notes.
 
HerCrazierHalf said:
They account for ā€œmedication abortionsā€ in their stats, apparently 45% of procedures.

Also, it seems to be a genuine decrease since states that didnā€™t enact further restrictions also saw decreases. I think the contraception = more activity logic ignores a large portion of** people who will be active regardless.**

I can understand not wanting to promote abc beyond just religious reasons. But it is gradually appearing to be one of the drivers of lower abortion rates. Well that and younger Mir fertile age groups are simply interacting in person less and engaging in less activity vs earlier generations.
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It seems true but it likely isnā€™t. For the vast majority of people, evidence seems to show they only become active because they donā€™t have meaningful social support and structures from peers, parents, wider society, and etc. We have sociological evidence of this and statistical methods that are used to ā€˜get rid ofā€™ false answers if they involve surveys. Biology has a role but Iā€™m tired of hearing the ā€˜biology is destinyā€™ excuse because itā€™s not. A fishā€™s health is dependent on the quality of the water itā€™s in.
 
ATraveller said:
It seems true but it likely isnā€™t. For the vast majority of people, evidence seems to show they only become active because they donā€™t have meaningful social support and structures from peers, parents, wider society, and etc. We have sociological evidence of this and statistical methods that are used to ā€˜get rid ofā€™ false answers if they involve surveys. Biology has a role but Iā€™m tired of hearing the ā€˜biology is destinyā€™ excuse because itā€™s not. A fishā€™s health is dependent on the quality of the water itā€™s in.
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And changes to the accessibility of abc arenā€™t going to create that support. I know it is anecdotal, but only one of my peers whom I knew will enough to ask became unintentionally pregnant while on abc. The rest simply used no method.

As for societal changes, Iā€™m not sure how or if they can come about anymore. Yes, some men and women do wait for marriage, but the pressure they can exert is limited as a myriad of sites and apps allow those not interested in chastity to find each other without social stigma.
 
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