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whm
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It only makes sense(ignoring that he is a priest for the moment) to go through with it if he knows he is 100% innocent of all the major accusations (as they are spelled out in his suit, they will be examined in court).
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valient_Lucy
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Fr. Corapi has made many uncharitable statements and sullied the names of others.
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Veridical16
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I don’t think this is just a mere two years or the “change in appearance” was abrupt. ’ OH he must have just relapsed! ’ It can’t be just that. Others have said they met him five years ago and his story about doing every sin etc. seemed like a good appealing tale. But I think the seeds were there. The Material possessions alludes to this being a lot longer than just a mere two years. As well as his litigious protections he had in mind. Doesn’t seem like something that happened overnight.
We’ll see. I don’t like the way Corapi’s fans are responding
Without the holy spirit, or outside grace, or a good interior disposition of the heart, a sinner can’t. The good has to be meritorious, when it is done with grace by abiding in Christ, with no grace in one’s soul. Otherwise they are empty.
youtube.com/watch?v=fA9bPdZhq6Y
Amen.
This is why people need to stop skirting the issue, Corapi is a mere man. In fact, the revelation reveals, he needs to be spoken of with fraternal correction.I even saw one post on his website that quoted Jesus Christ on the cross, “Father, forgive them, they know not what they do!!!”You know you are dealing with a serious problem when someone compares a mere man, even a popular priest, to Jesus on the cross!!!
No justifying or rationalizing away his behavior…He was a priest, he gave good talks, he didn’t speak any heresy, but it’s obvious he was a “Do as I say, Not as I do” cleric. Did he believe what he was saying? He could work , a large crowd like the protestants, but was he authentic? was he sincere?
There signs or seeds there that he did not really put much emphasis on the Mass. And that is pretty glaring to me.
Jesus is the TRUE VINE…abide in him alone.
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Veridical16
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Fr. Sheehan , I think might be a good priest. So I don’t get the Corapi people questioning someone they don’t know.
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anthony022071
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SOLT doesn’t represent the whole Church. And there may not even be agreement among most of the members of SOLT that Corapi has done what the investigators say he did. Like most accusations against priests,we have no way of knowing if the accusations against Corapi are true.
This says nothing about whether Corapi in particular has fallen from grace and sinned greatly. You can say the same about accusations that are made against bishops and religious organizations.
It’s called loyalty to friends and brethren in the faith. That’s part of Catholic communion and solidarity.
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joanofarc2008
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- Was that for public release?
- Her name was visible
- Ugg - now I can see why they released that she was a prostitute because it was already in public record.
- Pray, Pray, pray.
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Veridical16
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It seems and I’m starting to believe he was conning us a lot longer than just a year and half ago. He set up that money-making angle, for a while, so he must have fleeced a lot of people.Sad. I never thought he (Fr. Corapi) would stoop to this. He’s filing because if his reputation as a priest declines, Santa Cruz loses money.
He gave speeches and all I heard from him, is “I’m just meant to preach” there was even a moment where he said he can’t give advice or do anything outside of just giving speeches or something akin to other duties. “God just wants me to do this” Maybe that was a cloaked defense against the time where he would have his recreational activities, when he was not “preaching.”
When I’ve heard from other priests I think even on CAnswers live, some people misunderstand the call to be a priest , and that being a good homiletic, IS NOT what the vocation is solely about, even if the bible says we’re called to have different strengths/gifts. St. Anthony was truly a good preacher.
So I find it odd that Corapi would justify or put so much emphasis on how Great a speaker he was.
1 John 2:19
I’m also quite concerned with the denial that is going on about this mere man. Attributing his “good works” as if they were his. God brings about the fruit. If they are true fruits, they will stand. To say, Fr. Corapi’s works can still stand so presumptuously because we “liked” him while disregarding his pride, that can possibly undo them is excusing his sins. We have too much context to wonder about those who put too much regard to his “DVDs” being the SOLE reason for their conversion.
“No cross, no crown” are good words, speaking about Mary, is good, but they are not* his *works. But they are also a bit of a catchphrase too. Did he believe or show HE believed in the motto “No Cross, No Crown” When push came to shove, he was decrying three months how he didn’t want to wither and die. Now we know, it was because he was likely guilty and was fearful of losing his wealth, influence and following/(customers?).
And unfortunately, I don’t know anymore if what he was doing was meritorious, if he was merely using the preacher act and Fulton Sheen’s talks as crib notes just so he can put together DVD scams so he can pursue materialistic things in secret.
And, Peter says,
St. Augustine says,
Perhaps it is possible his “ministry” will be wiped away, if he was indeed fraudulent for A LOT longer than realized.
Regardless, people need to get over the mere man, his ministry, because whatever words he said that were good were not his own, and stop rationalizing Fr. Corapi’s obvious bad actions away now. He is upsetting the faithful with his consistent actions of the past two weeks, if he truly loves Christ he would be humbled he would take time to examine his conscience. Everything is driven by ego these last two weeks and material approval. It is not pleasing to me. He still has a will. He was tempted no doubt or goaded by the adversary, but he has a will, he can’t say “the devil made me do it” about the way he is acting. Don’t give the adversary too much credit at the expense of our Trust in Jesus; Christ will not leave us orphans…
He needs a call to repentance.
I said this morning, when I was lapsed and returned, it wasn’t just one lone faithful person that brought me back, but I was pulled back , and it was through the faithfulness of countless others, of the saints and even to people just saying a little profession of their trust in God, it was the Holy Spirit, the Word.
I could not say “oh it was the life of St. Paul, oh it was St. Francis, oh it was that holy priests homily, it was Fulton sheen” the emphasis of Corapi being responsible for one’s faith seems superficial & shallow. It should be the words, but obviously these revelations will do damage to those who are weaker in faith. But he would have done a lot more by people presuming HE was THE victim. So I think it’s silly to assume everything is fine, or to not be indignant about Corapi’s apparent swindle-some actions .
People need to be more up front, they need to be a little bit more angry: If SOLT didnt’ release this it means: Corapi had no qualms in continuing to lead his fans, into whatever business venture, under some guise of some sort of “messenger” for I don’t know what…
He is not coming off as a penitent person at all!
Here is a priests’ take on the matter. He’s a little bit more thoughtful on the situation. He also says "enough already! " in regard to Corapi teasing his facebook fans, that he’ll have an announcement on Thursday.
fatherjoe.wordpress.com/
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catharina
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No - it’s more likely to be called defiance or intransigence.
If people line up against those who have authority over Fr. C,
those people are doing him no favor. Rather it’s more likely
that they are confirming him in his error (or in his illness).
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jwinch2
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Thanks for that. I found it to be a well reasoned discussion of the situation.
Regards,
Jason
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Veridical16
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Wrong. Not when that brethren’s action seem to be counter to humility, counter to obedience to Christ, and self-serving.
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Ridgerunner
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I will surely be shot for saying this, but quite some time ago I heard that this Fr. Corapi was just wonderful. He was then on EWTN, so I decided to watch him. I did a couple of times, and while I might be a little quick to think such things, my fundamental impression was that “here is a man who is full of himself”. So I never watched him again because I did not want to be thinking that of him over and over again.
I don’t doubt that he inspired a lot of people, and it’s good that he did if that’s the case. God performs wonders through some of the worst instruments. But for my money, whatever good he did was God’s acting through a mighty flawed instrument.
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Veridical16
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You’re welcome,
Fr Joe’s statements were comforting, at the same time, charitably honest about the situation. As well as hopeful.
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Marie5890
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Anyone who has ever testified in front of a jury knows it doesn’t matter if you are innocent or not.
It’s why 95% of all civil suits are settled prior to going to jury.
(It’s a fair statement to say I don’t trust our jury system anymore after having personally experienced it.
It becomes a competitive game between the lawyers, and who in the jury box they can get to believe their version of the facts. It’s not about justice.
Like you said, taking his being a priest out of the equation, this is a classic example of “he said, she said” and judges encourage parties of these kinds of suits to settle them.
Fr Corapi of recent said that all of this has caused him great stress. Going forward with these kinds of suits of “he said, she said” are extremely …extremelly…stressful
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catharina
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Again, I repeat, I have no reason to believe that Fr. C “conned” anyone ever.
Yet I know that lasting damages brought about by long-term alcohol addition
seem likely as a possible cause for the uneven writings of Fr. C in these recent days.
My hope is that he get good medical assistance and ASAP.
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jwinch2
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I must concur with this one. Father Corapi owes the superior of his order obedience. From everything I can tell, he is not showing that in anyway. The people who refuse to see any wrong done from Father Corapi’s side of things are not helping him at all. In fact, they may be making it easier for him to keep sliding down a big hole. Concupiscence is a dangerous thing.
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debraran
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If they have something other than “he said/she said” as in texts, emails, letters, that is something else though. Men and women never learn that NOTHING is really temporary. Copies and records are game for law suits, look at all the politicians, sports stars, they all think they wont be the ones that the prostitute talks about or the girlfriend. It happens over and over, it’s like the brain is atrophied.
I always felt for the accuser, she had enough and she knew what would happen, his anger, etc. Hopefully she wont need his help and will get some elsewhere. Either way, having yourself indebted to someone in that situation, wasn’t good. He’ll hurt her kids, everyone in his anger, I hope he changes his mind or a good lawyer helps her.
I always felt for the accuser, she had enough and she knew what would happen, his anger, etc. Hopefully she wont need his help and will get some elsewhere. Either way, having yourself indebted to someone in that situation, wasn’t good. He’ll hurt her kids, everyone in his anger, I hope he changes his mind or a good lawyer helps her.
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Shoshana
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- Was that for public release?
- Her name was visible
- Ugg - now I can see why they released that she was a prostitute because it was already in public record.
- Pray, Pray, pray.
Code:
jimmyakin.org/2011/07/podcast-extra-commentary-on-solts-corapi-statement-kresta-in-the-afternoon.html
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Veridical16
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Actually it’s good you bring this up, in my experience when I first saw him in a clip. I wasn’t moved by him or anything. That he didn’t move me, didn’t mean anything as there are many holy people, who aren’t charismatic or the best speakers. St Francis when he first met St. Anthony didn’t see any signs of holiness, so we can’t always go off of our first impressions. So I withheld rash judgments.
Yes, it would always go back to gut feelings of “i don’t trust him” in the back of my mind during some clips I would witness. But like you said. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, I didn’t want to think bad of someone who other Catholics were singing about, somewhat boasting. " *Maybe it’s just me," * I said…never really sought out any Fr. Corapi like I did Sheen and other members of the Church’s talks.
Sometimes when I heard him on the radio, I thought he had a good message, but they didn’t have a lasting effect or anything. I think because I had already devoured a lot of Fulton Sheen’s material.
Even last week, I assumed his innocence that he was accused and his Black Sheep Dog videos, though they disturbed me, I attributed it to much stress.
This week I’m a little bit angry at him and his actions in light of the people he has an effect on, in hindsight that he was wanting to keep the wool over people’s eyes , especially when he said he has big plans for the world. or whatever.
I was troubled enough by his public actions, but I never bothered to wonder if he was guilty of the accusations…
I’m sad for the people who did listen to him a lot though, and watched him a lot. It’s such a let down…
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Marie5890
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Points well taken.
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Veridical16
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We’ll see hopefully this scandal will wrap up with a spirit of penitence.
I’m just troubled by his business like - litigious actions and precautionary measure he took, seemed to me he had a lot of worldly approaches to things even when he was more cogent and active in his work…
And I understand, we can’t judge Corapi’s heart, so you are right about the addiction factors being there. We just don’t know. However, I only said it’s possible he may have been “conning” us for some time, by the public actions as well as the questions and red flags with his consolidation of wealth and material possessions.
Why would a priest force his employees to sign gag orders? Also the constant, everyone is out to get me, he did that before he had his health problems.
I appreciate your POV, because it’s better to be circumspect about the whole situation and your mention of his substance addiction helps the discussion.
His writings certainly show someone unbalanced…
then again, that might be a window into his true feelings and intent, reflective of his interior disposition (possibly bad will) being out there because they’re actually unfiltered now. Especially the reluctance to cooperate, and the promotion of his autobiography, and teasers.
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