New SOLT Statement re: Father Corapi

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Eliza10 said:
I am truly dreading tomorrow [Thursday} re: Corapi’s announcement. I feel kind of sick about it. I am afraid for his soul, that rather than an announcement of repentance or apology, it will instead be fighting words and bids for support from his admirers. I would so much rather see a glorious turning toward the will of God, and a turning away from the enticements of the world - which would be keeping in the public eye, keeping his autonomy, keeping his fortunes and his expensive host of man-toys, continuing to seek more mammon in punitive lawsuits, demonizing his order, the bishops, our Holy Mother the Church.

It is going to take a *miracle
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for him to turn from far-gone life with recent public statements that are lying, accusing and rebellious to suddenly: public statements of repentance!

God does miracles, but not if you do NOT want him to!

I wish Corapi would just be silent right now rather than speak. I really do.
7_Sorrows said:
if it makes you feel any better, i second everything you have said in your post. i was very impressed with his knowledge of the catechism and the doctrines of the Church, but there were little warning bells going off because i just couldn’t understand how someone who had had such a worldly life - money, possessions, sex, drugs and alcohol - could totally give it all up. i had not heard of any rehab for drug or alcohol, perhaps i missed it. after growing up with an alcoholic father (who never knew sobriety) and other relatives with addiction problems. i had my suspicions about father corapi. since i have only been a Catholic for 3 years, i had not seen him very often or bought any of his dvd’s or newsletters. i feel saddened for the people who followed him and believed in him so strongly. i thought he was teaching the Truth, but now i wonder if he really believed what he was teaching. i guess we will have to wait for the surprise announcement tomorrow and hope that he is giving up all of his worldly possessions and listening to his superiors and returning to the community in texas.
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I’m lost. What’s happening tomorrow?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
7_Sorrows said:
if it makes you feel any better, i second everything you have said in your post. i was very impressed with his knowledge of the catechism and the doctrines of the Church, but there were little warning bells going off because i just couldn’t understand how someone who had had such a worldly life - money, possessions, sex, drugs and alcohol - could totally give it all up. i had not heard of any rehab for drug or alcohol, perhaps i missed it. after growing up with an alcoholic father (who never knew sobriety) and other relatives with addiction problems. i had my suspicions about father corapi. since i have only been a Catholic for 3 years, i had not seen him very often or bought any of his dvd’s or newsletters. i feel saddened for the people who followed him and believed in him so strongly. i guess we will have to wait for the surprise announcement tomorrow and hope that he is giving up all of his worldly possessions and listening to his superiors and returning to the community in texas.
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Your observations were valid. Other Catholics have said, that if he had such a life, then he should have been spending a lot of time in reparation and self-mortification, for his past, lots of penance. Especially self-denial…

And one Catholic said on Fisheaters, that their experience in recounting to another elderly Catholic upon, hearing such a past life “he’s probably a fake.”

I’m sorry to hear about your family experience. :gopray:
i thought he was teaching the Truth, but now i wonder if he really believed what he was teaching.
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He says a lot that was agreeable, “No Cross No Crown” " look to Our Blessed Mother", but maybe he was just giving us what people were hungry for. Kind of like how Fox News when it began was tapping into non-LIberal viewpoints , politically. in the late 90’s…
That he had a misdemeanor in 1999, shows his priorities when he wasn’t speaking were not heeding his own words.
His Black SHeep Dog Blog entries certainly displayed someone who forgot all that he said, the first moment he under went adversity, public scorn. No mention of Mary, and no sacrificial spirit at all.

I think it’s not enough to just hear the word, but Jesus always says those who DO the will of my father, are the ones who are his sheep and hear his voice. Even in Corapi’s talks, we dont’ know if he really believed in it or was selling a product.
 
jsaldar said:
We need to pray for this man, so that God may show him mercy, and for his conversion which seems so far away.

I’m no saint but at least I don’t go around pretending to be one 😦
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Hmmm. I believe that over the years I’ve been listening to Catholic radio, I’ve heard every one of Fr. Corapi’s recorded talks multiple times.

And I never heard him even once pretend to be a saint. He often accused himself of quite the opposite.

I could stand in front of a room and give you a very good motivational speech on a healthy diet and an exercise plan that would sculpt you into fit model for Michelangelo. I would mean every word of it, and it would be true. But doing so wouldn’t mean I was thereby claiming that I follow my own advice.

What made you think he was pretending to be a saint? Are you suggesting that only people who succeed in being sin-free have a right to point out sin when they see it? So if I had lung cancer because of my smoking, I have no business telling somebody else to give up cigarettes?
 
JReducation said:
I’m lost. What’s happening tomorrow?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Apparently there has been announcement on the Black Sheepdog website that that tomorrow on the Black Sheepdog website there will be another important announcement so stay tuned (nothing like drama - can you imagine if someone had been Tweeting the Trial of St Joan of Arc) . . . 🤷:eek::rolleyes: At this point - offering prayers.
 
JReducation said:
I’m lost. What’s happening tomorrow?

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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He is going to make a statement, on his “Black Sheepdog” website, I think.

Maybe he is going to rename it! “Obedient Servant of Christ”! “Slave of Our Lady”! “Corapi under Authority”! “The Road to Repentance”! “The Penitential Life”!

Well, one can dream, can’t one?
 
larsenl1 said:
When Father Corapi spoke in Omaha Nebraska last year he disclosed that he was diagnosed with a Vitaman D deficiency. It took months to diagnose, there were a couple of misdiagnosis and per his statements, he was finally treated at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester MN. This is why he was using artificial tanning.
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That’s odd… I too have been diagnosed with a severe vitamin D deficiency (and a B12 one as well). The standard treatment is to take high doses of vitamin D. I’ve seen recommendations that people have reported to be all over the board. I take 50,000 IU by prescription every other week.

I have NEVER seen/heard of artificial tanning prescribed. The medical risks of this far outweigh the benefits.
 
mistfall said:
Hmmm. I believe that over the years I’ve been listening to Catholic radio, I’ve heard every one of Fr. Corapi’s recorded talks multiple times.

And I never heard him even once pretend to be a saint.
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I would sometimes perceive it that he was making an excuse to not strive to be saintly. He even said, some jokes about how dont’ expect him to be a nice guy, his employees wouldn’t say so.

It was kind of the display of a false humility whenever he touched upon that subject of himself; I heard him on Radio in the mornings /evenings sometimes when I would drive to work and stuff. It also is consistent when he excused himself from not being an apologist or doing any other priestly duties outside of preaching.
He often accused himself of quite the opposite.
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Yes, it reminded me too much of a false humility, in spite of the fact that Fr. Corapi defined “humility” quite well in one of his talks, quoting the Saint Theresa I think.
Which is kind of contradictory whenever he started to talk about himself, and how he wasn’t saintly.
Humility is walking in Truth. Like if God has blessed you with intelligence. You use it! If God has blessed you with caring, you wouldn’t say, “oh I’m so stupid, I’m so so stupid” “I’m a mean person” over and over.
You would relate it to God, and Jesus Christ, as we all fall short-- but not start to be the judge of yourself by your own standard. But by God’s standard.

Like Thomas Aquinas saying his works" were straw. " after he had an ecstasy.
And If you are like St. Joseph Cupertino, obviously he wasn’t smart, but he was certainly holy. To be humble is to not to shy away from your limitations nor your strengths and gifts.

Start with God, before judging oneself, and also, examine one’s conscience in secret.

It also reminds me of Glenn Beck in a way, when he says “don’t listen to me. Don’t bother listening to me, don’t take my word for it. It’s not about ME. Question me.” just to counterbalance and disarm his listeners that he’s trustworthy – Even though his actions are not consistent/nor sincere with such statements, and displays someone who feels the opposite.
 
There is one thing bothering me about this whole thread, so I’ll just lay it out there.

THE SACRAMENT OF PENANCE

What we have is a superior who could not interrogate the accuser, because Father is suing. Obviously, her lawyers are going to advise her not to talk to anyone except them. Therefore, the superior has to work with what he has.

He has said that he found a smoking gun under Father’s bed. Given everything, the gun does not make things look good.

No one has said that Father is an unrepentant sinner except people on this thread. For all we know, he did it and he went to confession and is absolved. And all we’re seeing now is his anger and frustration at himself, the system and the world. One frustrated person does not an unrepentant sinner make. Moses threw the tablets at the Israelites. Jesus snapped at Peter and at some of the Pharisees.

I’m very uncomfortable with all of this talk of “let’s pray for his conversion”.

I’m perfectly comfortable with “let’s pray for him”.

The former assumes that you know that the person is not in a state of grace. The latter makes no assumptions. All of us need prayers, especially in times of crisis.

A brother prays for his brother. He does not walk through his soul. That corridor is reserved for God alone.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Oddly enough, I had the same question about the tanning. I’m on doctor recommended Vit. D therapy (not at the dosage you are taking), and my doctor said it would be OK for 10-15 minutes exposure to natural sunlight before applying sunblock, but not at all necessary and NOT recommended due to the cancer risk. And I have olive skin so rarely burn unless its early summer and I’m swimming for hours at peak tanning time.

I didn’t want to sound uncharitable, but I privately believed the tan was simply part of the personal trainer and dyed beard thing.

I’m dreading the “big” statement tomorrow that Father tweeted about. I tend to enjoy the occasional drama - I’ve been totally into the Casey Anthony trial, for example. But even I have overdosed on drama with this whole situation.
 
I dunno much about what’s going on. But I hope Fr. Corapi, if he needs it, get’s help and continues to preach. He was the first Catholic priest I listened to and I go back and watch him on youtube on occasion. We all strive to improve ourselves and sometimes improve others, in the process we even fall short and fall back into what we try to fight against.
 
Sheeniac said:
That’s odd… I too have been diagnosed with a severe vitamin D deficiency (and a B12 one as well). The standard treatment is to take high doses of vitamin D. I’ve seen recommendations that people have reported to be all over the board. I take 50,000 IU by prescription every other week.

I have NEVER seen/heard of artificial tanning prescribed. The medical risks of this far outweigh the benefits.
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Actually, if John Corapi is telling the truth about his medical condition, a Vitamin D deficiency, then tanning is a highly recommended solution in the alternative-health community.

Dr. Mercola, who has the largest Alternative Health website on the Internet (and maybe third largest health site?) recommends tanning for Vitamin D deficiency and he often refers to a well-researched book, “Naked at Noon”. Its not a too-popular idea with the medical crowd that the sun, readily available for free to all, can cure the deficiency, rather than patentable-prescription formulas that keep the Pharmaceutical companies ticking that in turn support the medical community and the HMOs, but that’s the case made in that book (reviews on Amazon I think).

As to the dangers of the sun, the case is made that the danger is burning vs. tanning, and also the case is made that the known carcinogens in the sunscreen lotions, baked into the skin, are the* real* skin cancer risks.

I am just telling you what they say. I am not a health experet!

So yes, tanning is a solution people turn to for the D-deficiency.
 
JReducation said:
There is one thing bothering me about this whole thread, so I’ll just lay it out there.

THE SACRAMENT OF PENANCE

What we have is a superior who could not interrogate the accuser, because Father is suing. Obviously, her lawyers are going to advise her not to talk to anyone except them. Therefore, the superior has to work with what he has.

He has said that he found a smoking gun under Father’s bed. Given everything, the gun does not make things look good.

No one has said that Father is an unrepentant sinner except people on this thread. For all we know, he did it and he went to confession and is absolved. And all we’re seeing now is his anger and frustration at himself, the system and the world. One frustrated person does not an unrepentant sinner make. Moses threw the tablets at the Israelites. Jesus snapped at Peter and at some of the Pharisees.

I’m very uncomfortable with all of this talk of “let’s pray for his conversion”.

I’m perfectly comfortable with “let’s pray for him”.

The former assumes that you know that the person is not in a state of grace. The latter makes no assumptions. All of us need prayers, especially in times of crisis.

A brother prays for his brother. He does not walk through his soul. That corridor is reserved for God alone.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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I agree with every word.

Let’s pray for him
and for all involved.
 
I truly question how a person that is living a lie, and is preaching what he himself rejects in his personal life, is such a great thing for any Catholic!

This man appears to have enriched himself, at the expense of his ministry. This is most likely due to taking donated monies and using them for his own benefit.

He has been living with a woman for years, in defiance of his vows as a Priest.

He has led the Church into scandal, and has given the enemies of the church additional ammunition with which to attack our faith.

I am sorry, but until this man stands up, admits his wrongs and begs forgiveness (while handing over all ill gotten gains to the church), I will instead pray for those that he used, those that believed in him as a minister and for the church that he has so badly damaged.

The ONLY thing this man has done for the people of the church is to make a mockery of their faith and steal their money.

He is nothing more than a hypocrite of the worst type, and he does not deserve all of the sympathy that so many are pouring out on him.

I could possibly respect him slightly, if he would publicly acknowledge that he is wrong, that he has worked against everything that the Catholic Church has stood for, and that he led a LOT of people on while taking advantage of them and of his church.

But instead of doing that, he has continued to claim that HE is being put upon. He is very much like a Casey Anthony, lying through his teeth and claiming that everyone is actually lying about him.

How about praying for the VICTIMS of this man?
 
JReducation said:
No one has said that Father is an unrepentant sinner **except people on this thread. **
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Who???
One frustrated person does not an unrepentant sinner make. Moses threw the tablets at the Israelites. Jesus snapped at Peter and at some of the Pharisees.
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I don’t think that’s what Fr. Corapi did at all. He didn’t show any righteous anger last week, he accused every which way, circularly firing at all angles, spray and pray.

The people who are righteously angry are the ones mad at the possibility that Fr. Corapi has been deceiving people for a long time.

If Fr. Corapi did confess for his past personal sins? Out of that frustration if he was back in a state of Grace, He committed sins again by his public outbursts, especially scandalizing the fans of his, as well as attempting to curry public sympathy whilst accusing his superiors. Which in turn has resulted in some Catholics, if you hear Jimmy Akin’s audio, siding with Corapi, and waiting for his vindication implying that his superiors are lying and out to get Corapi.

Before SOLT’s statement…all people had been doing before were questioning his public outbursts (and are still questioning them.) Certainly doesn’t seem like he was penitant person in his blog entrees.
I’m very uncomfortable with all of this talk of “let’s pray for his conversion”.
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I’m perfectly comfortable with “let’s pray for him”.
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The former assumes that you know that the person is not in a state of grace. The latter makes no assumptions. All of us need prayers, especially in times of crisis.
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A brother prays for his brother. He does not walk through his soul. That corridor is reserved for God alone.
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Fraternally,
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Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Respectfully, I’ve not seen a prayer for conversion as if he was never sincere at all in his 20 year mystery, that is only speculation now given that we know this wasn’t a two year relapse situation. All I’ve really seen is prayers for his repentance over his RECENT behavior. Not necessarily his past overall personal sins , especially from 1999.

Nobody should be faulted for praying for repentance or a penitent spirit to overcome. No one is judging a person’s state of grace in such generalities. It’s good request in this thread, even those who are only venially culpable.
 
The_Old_Medic said:
I truly question how a person that is living a lie, and is preaching what he himself rejects in his personal life, is such a great thing for any Catholic!

This man appears to have enriched himself, at the expense of his ministry. This is most likely due to taking donated monies and using them for his own benefit.

He has been living with a woman for years, in defiance of his vows as a Priest.

He has led the Church into scandal, and has given the enemies of the church additional ammunition with which to attack our faith.

I am sorry, but until this man stands up, admits his wrongs and begs forgiveness (while handing over all ill gotten gains to the church), I will instead pray for those that he used, those that believed in him as a minister and for the church that he has so badly damaged.

The ONLY thing this man has done for the people of the church is to make a mockery of their faith and steal their money.

He is nothing more than a hypocrite of the worst type, and he does not deserve all of the sympathy that so many are pouring out on him.

I could possibly respect him slightly, if he would publicly acknowledge that he is wrong, that he has worked against everything that the Catholic Church has stood for, and that he led a LOT of people on while taking advantage of them and of his church.

But instead of doing that, he has continued to claim that HE is being put upon. He is very much like a Casey Anthony, lying through his teeth and claiming that everyone is actually lying about him.

How about praying for the VICTIMS of this man?
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Again this is the FALSE Compassion. His sins have magnitude.
 
The_Old_Medic said:
How about praying for the VICTIMS of this man?
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We should pray for him and for all involved in this situation.

Not even his SOLT confreres have accused him of being in a state of sin.
They have stated that they find him to be unfit for ministry at this time.
That is clearly the case - but they are NOT throwing stones at him.
 
Eliza10 said:
Actually, if John Corapi is telling the truth about his medical condition, a Vitamin D deficiency, then tanning is a highly recommended solution in the alternative-health community.

Dr. Mercola, who has the largest Alternative Health website on the Internet (and maybe third largest health site?) recommends tanning for Vitamin D deficiency and he often refers to a well-researched book, “Naked at Noon”. Its not a too-popular idea with the medical crowd that the sun, readily available for free to all, can cure the deficiency, rather than patentable-prescription formulas that keep the Pharmaceutical companies ticking that in turn support the medical community and the HMOs, but that’s the case made in that book (reviews on Amazon I think).

As to the dangers of the sun, the case is made that the danger is burning vs. tanning, and also the case is made that the known carcinogens in the sunscreen lotions, baked into the skin, are the* real* skin cancer risks.

I am just telling you what they say. I am not a health experet!

So yes, tanning is a solution people turn to for the D-deficiency.
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Yes - perhaps this would be an alternative health situation, but he was at Mayo. This would not have been recommended by them.

FWIW, the high dose pills I take cost about $12 for 4 of them (which is a 2 month supply). It’s just a vitamin - not a patentable prescription. Similar to B12 (I also have a deficiency there), it tends to be overlooked by doctors. While both are simple blood tests, they tend to be done last. If one was a cynic, you could say that it was because the testing and treatments are so cheap, but I don’t really believe that.

Dr. Weil recommends that everyone takes 2000 IU a day, deficient or not. I trust him as an alternative doctor. ( drweil.com/drw/u/QAA400683/Vitamin-D-Deficient.html ) But even he doesn’t recommend artificial tanning.

Given a poster’s ranting about Fr’s age, I found this interesting: “What’s more, the older you get, the greater the risk of vitamin D deficiency. With advancing age, the skin cannot synthesize vitamin D as efficiently as it once did and the kidneys are less able to convert vitamin D to its active hormone form.”

Using Occam’s Razor, I still think it more likely that the Vit D deficiency was an excuse to use the artificial tanning rather than the reason for it… And I’d say that about/to anyone, not just Fr.
 
Sheeniac said:
Using Occam’s Razor, I still think it more likely that the Vit D deficiency was an excuse to use the artificial tanning rather than the reason for it… And I’d say that about/to anyone, not just Fr.
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My own doctor has topld me on a few occasions that just walking around outside a few minutes a day should supply enough D to suit.

More then that and a vitamin can be had to supplement.
 
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