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Corki
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I think this is a stupid law.
For the record, I am a non-smoker; I hate smoke, I have lost family and friends to smoking related disease and I hate to go anywhere that is even remotely called “smoke filled”.
But seriously, is there anyone out there who smokes that doesn’t know all these things already?
Doesn’t it worry anyone that the FDA has such power to control the packaging and marketing of a legal product? If they really cared, they would make cigarettes illegal but they have a vested interest in keeping them legal and having a big business to control.
I do see a new market emerging of covers for cigarette packs – or maybe the classy cigarette cases that were popular in the 40s and 50s will make a comeback.
For the record, I am a non-smoker; I hate smoke, I have lost family and friends to smoking related disease and I hate to go anywhere that is even remotely called “smoke filled”.
But seriously, is there anyone out there who smokes that doesn’t know all these things already?
Doesn’t it worry anyone that the FDA has such power to control the packaging and marketing of a legal product? If they really cared, they would make cigarettes illegal but they have a vested interest in keeping them legal and having a big business to control.
I do see a new market emerging of covers for cigarette packs – or maybe the classy cigarette cases that were popular in the 40s and 50s will make a comeback.
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jfmarm81
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I don’t really want to start a debate or anything, but I really don’t know how I feel about this. I mean, I guess I need to read on who the intended target is with these pictures, but it’s not like it’s really going to make anyone stop smoking. For that matter, it’s not going to convince too many people noot to start. I don’t really think people are going to look at the label and think, ‘Oh, my goodness, these are bad for me…I never knew they could kill me!’
On the other hand, I suppose it could potentially sway kids into not starting, but again, how effective will they be? Kids never think things are going to happen to them anyway, so if they see a diseased lung they just might think it won’t happen to them…
I don’t know, it just seems inappropriate, especially if it isn’t effective…
On the other hand, I suppose it could potentially sway kids into not starting, but again, how effective will they be? Kids never think things are going to happen to them anyway, so if they see a diseased lung they just might think it won’t happen to them…
I don’t know, it just seems inappropriate, especially if it isn’t effective…
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Ridgerunner
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Your last thought was mine exactly. But they weren’t all classy. I remember there were these cheesy plastic red ones that workmen kept their Luckies (or whatever) in. The whole pack fit right into them. Then, there were also the ones that were, I guess, made of aluminum. At least they looked like aluminum. Gee, wonder what the stock symbol is for whoever makes them.
Of course people who smoke know all those things. How could they not? No, the purpose is to humiliate them and make all the neo-Puritans feel even more superior than they do now. “Looky there on that pack”, they’ll say. “That’s what will happen to Yewwwwwwww”.
But you’re right about the money too. My goodness, we still subsidize tobacco farming in order to encourage cigarette manufacturing so the government can tax them and get more money from (principally) poor people. The government isn’t going to outlaw tobacco, which it would do if it really cared about the health risks. But for some, it’s more fun to humiliate people when you take their money from them, I guess.
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Corki
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I was thinking more of the bejeweled or inlaid slender cases that you lined up your cigarettes all in a single layer. They had a push-button so the gentleman could flip them open with one hand while offering a light with the other. It sure looked smooth in the old movies.
You see those cases\s at antique stores and on ebay now and then.I did an ebay search and over 20,000 items came up. I always thought of this as a vintage item but it looks like everything new is old again.
shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=cigarette+case&_sacat=See-All-Categories
I don’t remember red plastic but I do remember some hard plastic ones that the packs slipped in to keep them from getting crushed in your pocket.
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Scott_Lafrance
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Do you have any idea how much tax money the federal government would loose if they made cigarettes and tobacco products illegal? They love to play both sides of the deck on this one. They tax the heck out of a pack of cigarettes and make tons of money and then sue tobacco companies for making a perfectly legal product and even mandate that they be labelled as certified death sticks.
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Ridgerunner
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The red plastic ones were hard plastic, or at least they looked like they were. They were really common at one time. But so were the aluminum-looking ones. The whole pack slipped right into both. If any kind of cases are on ebay, I bet they’re a hot item right now.I was thinking more of the bejeweled or inlaid slender cases that you lined up your cigarettes all in a single layer. They had a push-button so the gentleman could flip them open with one hand while offering a light with the other. It sure looked smooth in the old movies.
I did an ebay search and over 20,000 items came up. I always thought of this as a vintage item but it looks like everything new is old again.
shop.ebay.com/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=cigarette+case&_sacat=See-All-Categories
I don’t remember red plastic but I do remember some hard plastic ones that the packs slipped in to keep them from getting crushed in your pocket.
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JHow
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Maybe people will switch to rolling their own from loose tobacco. That’s what all the cool cowboys did (see Cohen Bros.’ “True Grit”, for example).
And isn’t part of the attraction of smoking a certain rebellious attitude? Knowing that society doesn’t approve? (vice Virginia Slims’ “You’ve come a long way baby!” ad campaign) Don’t the gory pictures just play into that?
And isn’t part of the attraction of smoking a certain rebellious attitude? Knowing that society doesn’t approve? (vice Virginia Slims’ “You’ve come a long way baby!” ad campaign) Don’t the gory pictures just play into that?
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markomalley
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To that, I will repeat a comment from another thread:
It’s really simple. They don’t want to make it illegal because they want the tax money to prop up their socialist system.
But they also have a need to demonize a class of people.
I really feel sorry for smokers. Not because of what they are doing to their bodies, but because they are the official lepers of the 21st Century.
If you support this kind of garbage, you should actively lobby your Congressman(woman) to simply make it illegal.
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latin_rite
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They have been doing this in Australia for years. Some are very graphic. As a ex smoker, i must say they didn’t have an effect on my smoking , nor were they the reason i quit
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OrdinaryMelkite
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Exactly.
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Rolltide
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The new graphic warning labels are modeled after those that Canada has used for some time. They are targeted primarily at those 18 and under, because studies have shown that over 95% of smokers will start BEFORE the age of 18. Studies have also shown that the new warning labels have had a distinct impact in reducing smoking among those under 18 in Canada.
tobaccofreekids.org/press_releases/post/id_0432
tobaccofreekids.org/press_releases/post/id_0432
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ringil
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thank you!
it’s a social illness. Good to engage in research backed activities acts to reduce this behavior.
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Warrior1979
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I personally think this is excessive…and this is coming from somebody that never smoked a cigarette. Anyone that is not familiar with the harm cigarettes can do has a lot more problems than smoking.
Why limit this to cigarettes? Obesity is a much greater problem. Why not put images of open-heart surgery and overweight people in caskets on sticks of butter and boxes of twinkies? How about diabetics having limbs amputated on bottles of soda?
Why limit this to cigarettes? Obesity is a much greater problem. Why not put images of open-heart surgery and overweight people in caskets on sticks of butter and boxes of twinkies? How about diabetics having limbs amputated on bottles of soda?
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SalesianSDB
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It scares me that the government thinks it has this much power over a private industry.
I don’t like smoking, but come on. This is too much. Did people smoking really not know how bad it is? All this will do is guilt smokers, but they will probably still smoke.
Here’s my question: Will the government force alcohol manufacturers to put a picture of a wrecked car or deformed bodies after a car accident on 50% of the alcohol labels? Or warning labels and graphic pictures in fast food bags? The list can go on and on.
Here’s a video I found that sums up my thoughts on this:
youtube.com/watch?v=SspkvqOZDog
I don’t like smoking, but come on. This is too much. Did people smoking really not know how bad it is? All this will do is guilt smokers, but they will probably still smoke.
Here’s my question: Will the government force alcohol manufacturers to put a picture of a wrecked car or deformed bodies after a car accident on 50% of the alcohol labels? Or warning labels and graphic pictures in fast food bags? The list can go on and on.
Here’s a video I found that sums up my thoughts on this:
youtube.com/watch?v=SspkvqOZDog
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Rolltide
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Don’t worry… I’m fairly certain I’ve heard that at least a couple nations are getting ready to experiment with that too. Plenty of places are already experimenting with “soda taxes” and premiums on things like candy vending machines.
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jfmarm81
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They probably will go after alcohol and junk food next. Most people get it. This stuff is bad for you. If you smoke all the time, or drink or eat excessively, you will probably die younger. I have smoked 3 cigarettes in my life- they weren’t my thing, but I am pretty against this. The more I think about it, I feel it’s too much government regulation over a private industry. I am in no way defending the tobacco industry- we all know that they have had some some clever (although deceitful) marketing schemes in the past. I believe that cigarette smoking is a disgusting habit, but this will not stop smokers of any age. To be honest, I believe that the kids under 18 take their lead from the role models in their lives. If mom and dad smoke 2 packs a day, maybe the child sees that and decides to do it too. Again, it’s not something I condone, but these graphics will probably do little to change their minds…
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Pax_et_Bonum
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And as soon as the joint is smoke free your taxes will skyrocket.As soon as a purely electric care is built that will cost pennies to charge the government will send you an annual bill for miles driven.Why do you think they want black boxes in all new cars they will be able to retrieve data over the internet or airwaves as to total miles driven.You are a wallet-a cash cow-a consumer and taxpayer,You exist to fund the government period.We are aphids to their ants.
We’ve had those graphic warnings in Canada for 15 years and I doubt they disuaded one addict from continuing smoking.When a carton of smokes reached nearly $90 for an eight pack everybody went to the Indian Reserves where you can buy a bag(200 cigarettes) for 20 bucks.People bought truckloads of then and resold them for 30$ a carton.Presto another underground economy.
I quit smoking after 35 years by taking Champix and it worked but made me very aggressive,angry and depressed.While on Champix I forced a drunk driver off a highway with my vehicle and into a ditch.I just saw red as I watched him narrowly miss hitting about 10 cars on an undivided highway at 1AM.It affected my personality and relationships.I quit taking it 2/3rds of the way through the regimen but I am 3 years smoke free and will never touch tobacco again as I would never have the strength to quit again.NEVER take Champix.I believe it is called Champ-something in the US.
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Pax_et_Bonum
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There are stacks of uber cool ones in every dollar store in Canada but they are to carry your “Native” smokes that the government can"t tax and that is where all the non-natives buy their smokes.(From First Nations Reservations)
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Pax_et_Bonum
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A Fat tax is next.The chubbos will feel the heat just like smokers.Liberals aren’t happy until they are forcing other people to live their lives the way the lieberals want them to.
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