NEW YORK: Lesbian [Episcopal ] Priest Nominee on List to be Next Bishop of New York

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Scott_Lafrance said:
So, all paths lead to heaven then, if everything is subject to our own private interpretation. Just builda case for yourself, pick out the pieces of Scripture you like that fit the model and POOF, instant salvation! Awesome. I wonder if Jesus really even needed to die?
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All paths? Wow that must mean everyone gets in. I didn’t know that and still don’t know that to be the case. And neither is that what I said. :rolleyes:
 
gamewell45 said:
Scott; i’m glad that it can be proven and demonstrated to be true. How’s that?🙂
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Gamewell, I once had an Episcopalian priest tell me the reason confirmed Catholics can be received (without the need to be re-confirmed) into TEC was because both Catholics and Episcopalians are confirmed in the apostolic succession of bishops. Now I know Catholics according to their faith don’t believe Episcopalian bishops are in apostolic succession. But if Episcopalians believe your bishops are in apostolic succession, then does that mean you can trace and demonstrate too according to your beliefs?
 
A fascinating bit of history regarding Matthew Parker. This is where the break in apostolic succession occurred.
The Roman Catholic Church has asserted that the form of consecration used was insufficient to make a bishop, and therefore represented a break in the Apostolic Succession, but the Church of England has rejected this, arguing that the form of words used made no difference to the substance or validity of the act.
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Parker
 
CMatt25 said:
Gamewell, I once had an Episcopalian priest tell me the reason confirmed Catholics can be received (without the need to be re-confirmed) into TEC was because both Catholics and Episcopalians are confirmed in the apostolic succession of bishops. Now I know Catholics according to their faith don’t believe Episcopalian bishops are in apostolic succession. But if Episcopalians believe your bishops are in apostolic succession, then does that mean you can trace and demonstrate too according to your beliefs?
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CMatt25, you raise a very good question; I"ve been told before that we do have apostolic succession by one of my Priests, but to be honest I do not recall the specifics of it however this Sunday I’ll see if I can take him aside and ask the question again of him.
 
gamewell45 said:
CMatt25, you raise a very good question; I"ve been told before that we do have apostolic succession by one of my Priests, but to be honest I do not recall the specifics of it however this Sunday I’ll see if I can take him aside and ask the question again of him.
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Anglicans believe that they have apostolic succession. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Succession
Eastern Orthodox, except for the Russian Orthodox, generally may not accept the validity of apostolic succession in the Roman Catholic Church.
 
louis91766 said:
Anglicans believe that they have apostolic succession. See: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostolic_Succession
Eastern Orthodox, except for the Russian Orthodox, generally may not accept the validity of apostolic succession in the Roman Catholic Church.
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I was Eastern Orthodox. They don’t question the validity of succession. They question the primacy of the Pope as “first among equals”. They interpret it as a place of honor rather than a place of authority.
 
nightranger said:
No, you don’t take “Holy Communion” every Sunday.
Your church has exchanged the truth of God for the wishes of a King of England who wanted to marry his brother’s wife. Since then, your church has divided into several sects. Each one following there own dogma as they see fit: ordination of women, open acceptance of homosexual and lesbian practice, even the ordination of an openly practicing lesbian “bishop.”
These are all grave sins in the catholic church. The church that Christ himself gave to St. Peter directly, which includes all the sacraments of that church. Without apostolic secession, there are no valid sacraments.
You can pretend all you wish that you are receiving “Holy Communion” every Sunday, but that does not make it so.
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the King of England had already married his brother’s wife. his brother had passed away.
the King of England had asked the Pope to annull his marriage to his brother’s wife so that he could marry Anne Boleyn. I am not saying that I think King Henry VIII was a very nice man, but in those days a King needed a male heir and with his wife Katherine he had a daughter Mary. He also had a daughter with Anne Boleyn who was named Elizabeth and became the great Queen Elizabeth I. Yes, I think the King of England was used to getting his own way. Before this happened, the Pope at the time had actually
given King Henry VIII a title known as Defender of the Faith because he opposed Luther.
According to the doctrine of the Episcopal church, they do receive Holy Communion every Sunday. History happened. The Reformation happened and probably would have happened sooner or later. You follow the teachings of the Catholic church and others don’t. That is why they are protestant.
 
7_Sorrows said:
History happened. The Reformation happened and probably would have happened sooner or later. You follow the teachings of the Catholic church and others don’t. That is why they are protestant.
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Well said.
 
7_Sorrows said:
According to the doctrine of the Episcopal church, they do receive Holy Communion every Sunday. History happened. The Reformation happened and probably would have happened sooner or later. You follow the teachings of the Catholic church and others don’t. That is why they are protestant.
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Well said.
 
I can only comment on this thread by means of the following story:

When I was in college, I was standing outside the student center one afternoon with a friend. He was getting ready to go to a class, so as he was leaving, I called out (with regards to the conversation we’d been having), “Come on over Saturday night—we’ll re-fight the Protestant Reformation!”

The academic dean happened to be walking by, and when he heard this, he started laughing and said, “It ain’t gonna work!”

😉
 
7_Sorrows said:
the Protestants don’t reject Jesus.
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7 Sorrows, I agree with you that Protestants do not reject Jesus.

CCC 1271 even states, “Baptism constitutes the foundation of communion among all Christians, including those who are not yet in full communion with the Catholic Church: For men who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in some, though imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church. Justified by faith in Baptism, [they] are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers by the children of the Catholic Church.”

But Scott did say it was his take.
 
1holycatholic said:
Protestants don’t fully accept Jesus. If they did they would be in full communion with His Church.
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what alot of rot!
Its cause I fully accept Jesus that I left the catholic church…whilst I agree with “Catholic Culture” to a point i.e. intercession of the saints, Altars, true presence in the Eucharist. there was also enuff stuff within the Catholic church that i don’t belive fits in with what Jesus would want.

i.e. I believe that men and women are equal and have a an equal calling to serve the Lord as Priests,
whilst I believe in real presence I cannot subscribe to Transubstantiation (and neither do the eastern Orthodox)
and I cannont believe with the knowledge we have we have today regarding sexual orientation that Jesus would have us exclude homosexual persons.

I think it’s a terrible statement to make that protestants don’t fully accept Jesus cause we are not in the Catholic Church…if that were the case the same would apply to Orthodox Christians as well.
what u mean is “YOU DON’T BELIEVE we fully accept Jesus”
 
To this woman who is Nominee to become Bishop…May God grant her many years! if she is elected
 
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