New Zealand reinstates coronavirus restrictions after first locally-transmitted case in 102 days

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Excuse me @ATraveller ,how many days between the last case and this new surge? Do you have an idea?
As I was reading in the article that it might never have gone away as a possibility I just wondered the time elapsed.
 
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graciew said:
how many days between the last case and this new surge?
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They had 102 days without community transmission according to the OP.
They usually have a few new cases every few days since May but all those cases were New Zealanders who caught the virus outside the country. They would return to stay and get tested at quarantine hotels for 14 days.
This week was the first time someone caught the virus inside the country rather than outside.
 
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They don’t mess around.
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Seems a sever overreaction to me.

Since they were all in one family, just do contact tracing out 1-2 degrees and isolate those people for two weeks. Don’t shut down the whole country 😦
 
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You’re free to leave
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I understand some countries have restrictions against allowing peopl le in from the USA. Keeping people from the USA out is part of a strategy to keep the infection could low since the USA has yet to get a handle on its outbreak.

With such restrictions on place ones freedom to leave is limited.
 
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Theo520 said:
Seems a sever overreaction to me.

Since they were all in one family, just do contact tracing out 1-2 degrees and isolate those people for two weeks. Don’t shut down the whole country 😦
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Or a very wise decision , not just 1 family either.

Australia is not letting anyone in without good reason, even our states are not letting people from other states in.
 
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Australia is not letting anyone in without good reason, even our states are not letting people from other states in.
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Pray tell, which states have closed off their land borders from travel? I was pretty sure all Interstates were operational in the lower 48. Demanding self quarantine is not the same.

IMHO, the Kiwis have over reacted. Playing a national game of red light green light with their whole economy must be devastating.
 
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I think [umamibella] is talking about states in Australia, not the United States.
 
Theo520 said:
Pray tell, which states have closed off their land borders from travel? I was pretty sure all Interstates were operational in the lower 48. Demanding self quarantine is not the same.
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Theo , Australia is not in the lower 48.

I wrote this
umamibella said:
Australia is not letting anyone in without good reason, even our states are not letting people from other states in.
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See the word ’ Australia’ there.
Theo520 said:
IMHO, the Kiwis have over reacted. Playing a national game of red light green light with their whole economy must be devastating.
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IMHO some countries are not doing enough to limit the spread of this pandemic.

An economy cannot run without people. People came first, then an economy. If a good majority of people are dead or debilitated by a pandemic which will be around for quite some time yet as pandemic A ( this potentially wont be its first pandemic) and if health and health support and funeral businesses are over run and overtaxed, that just shoots an economy in the foot.

People came first, then an economy. No people to work and buy and sell, no economy.
 
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Lots of countries ban travelers from lots of other countries.

Undoubtedly that helps to flatten “spikes”, but in the long run I don’t think any country is going to succeed in any significant amount of prevention. Eventually, even the most “locked down” will have to open up again or starve. And since this pandemic is bound to become endemic, it will just start up again until sufficient “herd immunity” is built up to limit the numbers.
 
Well, if you’re arguing per capita, NZ has a population of about 5 million so 100 days without any new cases has to say they’re doing something right. Or did something right, if you prefer.

Hope I didn’t jinx them. 🙂
 
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Well, if you’re arguing per capita, NZ has a population of about 5 million so 100 days without any new cases has to say they’re doing something right. Or did something right, if you prefer.

Hope I didn’t jinx them. 🙂
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I’m not arguing whether NZ did anything right or wrong. I’m just saying it won’t make any difference other than in flattening spikes if, as I believe, the pandemic becomes endemic. I personally think it is now a permanent feature of human life, because I don’t think any population can keep itself isolated permanently. I don’t believe it had to be, but once it escaped that lab in Wuhan, the die was cast for all mankind.

Effective vaccines might help, but probably no more than annual flu shots do, and perhaps less. It’s beginning to appear that any benefits will be very temporary.
 
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I think [umamibella] is talking about states in Australia, not the United States.
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OK, I didn’t realize @umamibella was an Aussie, and took “our” to mean the US States. Though I’ve read Australia has had their share of border jumpers, something hard to completely stop with land borders between states.

I don’t think the US can practically implement equivalent measures between US states, US States are more populous and porous at our borders. Conversely, a road map shows it’s pretty easy to control their fewer border crossings
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All good Theo, I was wondering if you had some sort of Freudian slip going .

We dont have many border jumpers, those who do get caught pretty quickly. We have road blocks and police checks on all our borders atm. In Victoria, where I am, we also have them surrounding the metro area as travel from the metro area to regional Vic is extremely restricted.

You must understand a good part of this place is desert with only a few roads traversing states. It is pretty easy to station police at these points and check everyone going through.
Its not like USA with its large road network across the country.
 
NZ is not looking to flatten the curve, it is looking to eliminate the virus.
 
The deputy PM, who’s not part of the PM’s party (the NZ government is a coalition between the left-wing Labour and populist NZ First parties supported by a confidence and supply deal (1) with the Green Party), wants elections to be delayed.

www.rnz.co.nz

Peters pushes for election to be postponed

New Zealand First leader Winston Peters wants the election delayed, saying there is now no ability to conduct a free and fair election on 19 September.
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He has written to the Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and has asked for her to delay the general election to 21 November.

Ardern will reveal tomorrow morning if the election will go ahead next month, or if it will be delayed because of the cluster of Covid-19 in Auckland.

Last week she delayed the dissolution of Parliament until tomorrow, in light of the new community outbreak.
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(1)“A confidence-and-supply agreement is one whereby a party or independent members of parliament will support the government in motions of confidence and appropriation or budget (supply) votes, by either voting in favour or abstaining. However, parties and independent members normally retain the right to otherwise vote in favour of their own policies or on conscience on legislative bills. […] Should a motion of confidence fail, or a motion of no confidence pass, the government will usually either resign and allow other politicians to form a new government, or call an election. […] [Financial measures must be passed by parliament in order for a government to pay its way and enact its policies]. The failure of a supply bill is in effect the same as the failure of a confidence motion.” (Confidence and supply - Wikipedia)

It comes as it was today confirmed that there are 13 new cases of Covid-19 in New Zealand.

Twelve of those cases are in the community, and one is a recent arrival in managed isolation.
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www.abc.net.au

New Zealand moves election date as 9 new coronavirus cases announced

The New Zealand election is delayed by nearly a month as the country records nine new coronavirus cases in the community over the past 24 hours.
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New Zealand’s Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, announced the country’s general election would be moved from September 19 to October 17 as the country battles the coronavirus outbreak.

Ms Ardern said she did not want to have to move the election date again.
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National, New Zealand First agree with new election date

New Zealand First leader Winston Peters welcomes the election delay saying the health and safety of voters is the party's "number one priority".
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Look even the whole Aussie state borders closing thing isn’t what it’s touted to be. I live in Queensland and my family have found it relatively easy to travel to and from NSW when the border is supposed to be shut just because our address is officially listed as living there even though we have since moved to qld. The police at the border didn’t even stop them to check if they had a permit or whatever.
 
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It will be interesting to see if this new batch of corona in NZ is less deadly. The second wave in Italy proved so. I read also that the Spanish flu stayed circulating for a couple of years but had evolved into a similar thing to the yearly flu.
 
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