Newly-wed desperately seeks advice

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Seems we’ve seen the last of Sophia. I truly have my doubts about the whole story. I had a sister-in-law that could tell stories like you wouldn’t believe.(actually if you didn’t know her, you might believe them.) And she could make them up sooo fast it was actually entertaining.( she is entertaining the Angels now). My Uncle told her she should be a fiction writer. God Bless, Memaw
Well, others could be lurking and reading this thread, so I don’t think our comments are in vain. If someone knows that their parents (who love them) would disapprove of the relationship, there’s something they need to look at more closely. This whole story is pretty wild, yes, but I’ve known people who are about that co-dependent, that they would be attracted to someone like this OP’s husband. What about all the women who marry inmates in prison for committing violent crimes?
 
Seems we’ve seen the last of Sophia. I truly have my doubts about the whole story. I had a sister-in-law that could tell stories like you wouldn’t believe.(actually if you didn’t know her, you might believe them.) And she could make them up sooo fast it was actually entertaining.( she is entertaining the Angels now). My Uncle told her she should be a fiction writer. God Bless, Memaw
Fact is stranger than fiction. I actually know of real life stories like this, minus the pregnant mistress this early in the marriage.

As far as the OP, I can tell you that if I was counseling this person, I’d tell her to stay away from threads like this. She is seeking counseling from her priest and appears to be willing to give her situation a chance. It isn’t helpful for a person to work on such a situation and hear nothing but negativity throughout the whole process. Plus I am sure we don’t know the whole story; we never do.

Yes, I agree the situation is dire, but ultimately it is between them and not us.
 
…My husband and I went to meet with our Priest on Friday, Father appeared saddened by our revelations and said he had not picked up on any hint of such problems during our marriage prep with him. .
Nor had you “picked up on any hint of such problems.” Because your husband is a master liar and manipulator, Sophia. When Father told you he felt sad, did you tell him you were traumatized to the point of considering killing yourself?
In Fathers opinion, we both showed a keen willingness to make our marriage work despite the revelations of cheating, excessive use of pornography, possibility of a child to be born outside the marriage and my invasion of my husbands privacy (hacking into his emails, phone & facebook). He believes we do have a valid marriage and that my husband has shown his determination to change by staying faithful since our wedding day and resisting the opportunity to cheat in the flesh.
He actually used the phrase “keen willingness”??? You became keenly willing at what point? And do you truly, truly believe it is possible for your husband (who has not demonstrated he is willing or able to be faithful to you and who has a baby soon to be born) to so suddenly become keenly willing to make your marriage work? And your pastor BELIEVES your husband’s assurance that he is keenly willing, after admitting he was deceived by your husband, as you were, prior to the wedding? Don’t you realize, Sophia, that although it is usually a good thing to give someone the benefit of the doubt, that sometimes it’s just plain imprudent to do so?

Your husband has NOT been faithful to you since your wedding day. He admits to having multiple sexual relationships with strangers on the Internet during your marriage. Granted, the sexual acts involved mutual fantasy and mutual masturbation, and not intercourse, but it was still a-d-u-l-t-e-r-y. Father is mistaken, and frankly, you are mistaken to let your husband off the hook so easily and for believing he can “will” himself away from sexual addiction to fidelity, so quickly, without professional therapy.

By the way, Sophia, it is obviously apparent that several people who have shared their advice with you well understand how liars can seem to be “keen” about anything and everything, when it’s expedient for them.

And you were chastized about your snooping? Really? You don’t believe this was something you had to do? Does Father think you should have remained willfully ignorant and trusting of your wandering and deceitful husband? Can you ask Father if he believes spouses can morally use these tools (emails, Internet, etc.) in ways which harm a married partner, and their marriage?
Father did stress to my husband that the acts he performed over web-camera with other females during our marriage could be taken as infidelity by some and he said only God himself can decide whether the acts were committing adultery against his wife or the sin of wasting seed that should only be used for the divine purpose it is intended for. It is certainly one if not both.
Your pastor is just wrong here. Your husband committed sex acts with women on the Internet. He objectively committed adultery by violating his marriage commitment of fidelity to you, and, additionally, he objectively masturbated. Read the Catechism’s definition of adultery:

2380 Adultery refers to marital infidelity. When two partners, of whom at least one is married to another party, have sexual relations - even transient ones - they commit adultery. Christ condemns even adultery of mere desire. The sixth commandment and the New Testament forbid adultery absolutely. The prophets denounce the gravity of adultery; they see it as an image of the sin of idolatry.

2381 Adultery is an injustice. He who commits adultery fails in his commitment. He does injury to the sign of the covenant which the marriage bond is, transgresses the rights of the other spouse, and undermines the institution of marriage by breaking the contract on which it is based. He compromises the good of human generation and the welfare of children who need their parents’ stable union.

scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2c2a6.htm
He is going to arrange for couples counselling with our local family centre.
Did you understand your priest correctly? Did he say “couples counselling” or merely “counselling”? Did he not mention that your husband needs intensive and long-term psychiatric attention for his sex addiction, lying and manipulation? Did your priest even acknowledge your husband’s sex addiction and his need for intensive therapy? Your husband is not ready to be part of a healthy couple, in my opinion, Sophia, and couples counselling will probably be shallow and ultimately fruitless, unless and until he gets the professional help he needs individually.

Did your pastor tell the two of you to test for STDs, and to abstain from sexual relations for six months, because it takes that long to receive 100% assurance that you don’t have an STD (as stated by a previous poster)? Will you please love and respect yourself enough to get tested asap? Sophia you said you were more concerned about your soul than your body – this is a moral issue, not just a medical one.

(I ran out of space and plan to post some more)
 
He said to await the outcome of DNA testing before we give more thought to the child that may or may not be born to my husband outside our marriage, but even if the child is his, his obligations as a husband are to come first above any other relationship. The law would require him to provide financially if the child is indeed his of course. I personally would want him to step-up and be a real hands on father with set contact at least if not shared custody…
So has your husband submitted his DNA sample yet?

So, if he is the dad, how much of your savings and your income does your husband plan to use to support his child? Are you going to automatically agree to give whatever he wants from you? (please do not answer these questions here). I hope that you realize that at this point of time, he does not deserve your trust, and that it wouldn’t be prudent on your part to trust his judgments or trust his full access to your assets. You would not be a “bad” wife to not trust him at this point. If he even infers that you are “bad”, do not let how he might judge you determine how you judge yourself. I hope this makes sense. I think individual counseling might help you to better discern when you’re being manipulated by your husband’s emotionalism, and to appropriately assert yourself.

By the way, I respect very much that you care about that little baby.
I did mention during the separate conversation with our Priest that I had told my story on here and he said he will read it. I mentioned many of the points and concerns raised by you all on here and Father had an answer for each of them including ‘let he without sin cast the first stone’, he reminded me that we both took a holy oath on our wedding day and only God can separate us now. He reassured me that my husband was indeed contrite in his apology and he believes he really regrets his behaviour and he has already started to change and intends to make our marriage a long and happy one.
Dear Father,

Upon discovering the extent of her husband’s deceit and fraud, Sophia’s emotional state was so fragile that she considered ending her life. After committing herself in earnest to her marriage two months ago, and if she has been honest about what she has written on this thread, then it’s no wonder she was frozen in helplessness when she discovered the truth of her husband’s treachery. She has been alone in her desperation, and has been too ashamed to break the news to her family, for unstated reasons, possibly pride or the fear of being told “I told you so” (because they were against the marriage). Her husband has demonstrated an inability to assume the obligations of marriage – with regard to his infidelity he has stated that he can’t help it. He has proven himself to be a master liar and he uses emotionalism such as anger and crying to manipulate. You and Sophia were both fooled during their marriage preparation – do you not think it’s at least possible that the husband is continuing to fool both of you? Do you not believe that if you had known about the husband’s behaviors just two months ago, prior to the wedding, you would have allowed this couple to wed? If Sophia had known about the sex addiction and the baby two months ago, and still insisted on marrying, wouldn’t you have major concerns about her seeming lack of due discretion? And yet now, you believe that Sophia, who is intensely suffering from the betrayals, should remain in this relationship? Do you really believe, Father, that preservation of this marriage, in which the husband has demonstrated his deceit and infidelity, should be assigned higher priority than preserving the physical and mental health of the wife, who just last week wanted to die?

Father, I realize that priests are morally bound to persuade alienated spouses to reconcile and to restore their conjugal relationship. But in the case of this couple, it goes beyond all sound and Christian reasoning to encourage this young woman to remain in the two-month-old marriage. This couple has not had a genuine conjugal relationship, because of the husband’s sex addiction – so none can be restored. During the couple’s ten months of dating, and during the two months of the marriage, the husband has demonstrated that he wants to be free to commit sexual acts with women outside of marriage. The adultery involved mutual masturbation with Internet partners, rather than intercourse, but it was still adultery. Please do not minimize the destructiveness of the husband’s promiscuity.

I ask you to please consider the wisdom of some of the “posters” on this Catholic Answers forum – those of us whom you apparently have accused of throwing stones at the husband have good reasons to suspect that he may have a character disorder such as Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Most of us have personally experienced and/or witnessed painfully-broken marriages and families destroyed by some of the NPD behaviors demonstrated by Sophia’s husband. He apparently has charmed you into believing his sincerity, Father – that ability is part of NPD.
 
Just a little note worth mentioning, our Priest expressed concern at the cry of ‘divorce him now’ that was advised a number of times in your replys, he reminds us that as Catholics there is no divorce, such a piece of paper from the courts is nothing more than a piece of paper. Divorced Catholics are still married until death parts them. He added that Annulment is almost impossible to receive and takes many months or even years of fierce debating and proving before it could even be considered by Rome. Annulment is only granted in extreme circumstances.
Dear Father,

I do not know if Sophia misunderstood you, or if you actually told her annulments are almost impossible to receive etc. Although it is premature to discuss annulment prior to a divorce, I ask you to review the canons concerning valid marriage, and to consult with one of the Tribunal judges about Sophia’s marriage, so that you can advise Sophia more fully about the soundness of pursuing this sham of a marriage.

Several of us have good reason to believe that this relationship has a blatantly “extreme circumstance” and that the marriage will inevitably fail. The husband has a deep-seated pattern of sexual promiscuity. If Sophia is being truthful about his past, then he is used to using women as he pleases, then discarding them. The reality is that divorce is easy to obtain civilly, and as committed as Sophia wants to be as his wife, it is obvious that her husband has not demonstrated he is capable of being a committed husband. I don’t doubt that he has some love for her, but when he tires of her, he will leave her. Sophia should be informed now about what constitutes a valid marriage. Assuming that Sophia has presented an honest portrait on this forum as to what has transpired, she did not give full consent to the marriage, as it stands, two months ago. The husband denied Sophia her right to do so.

Code of Canon Law on Marriage
catholicdoors.com/misc/marriage/canonlaw.htm

Grounds for Annulment
archdiocesesantafe.org/Offices/Tribunal/ExplanationGr.html

Blog: “It’s All About Me!”_http://www.catholicmatch.com/blog/2007/06/it’s-all-about-me
 
Just a little note worth mentioning, our Priest expressed concern at the cry of ‘divorce him now’ that was advised a number of times in your replys, he reminds us that as Catholics there is no divorce, such a piece of paper from the courts is nothing more than a piece of paper. Divorced Catholics are still married until death parts them. He added that Annulment is almost impossible to receive and takes many months or even years of fierce debating and proving before it could even be considered by Rome. Annulment is only granted in extreme circumstances.
I’m very glad that you were able to speak to the priest. I should have figured he’d know to talk to you both separately and also together. I am glad you have peace about the direction you are heading. 👍

Of course, the priest has the benefit of speaking to your husband and assessing his side of things. We primarily heard all the terrible things he has done and how he only divulged the truth to you as a last resort. That doesn’t paint a very pretty picture for us to go by. It was easy to sense the extreme pain in your original post, and thus it was easy for us to develop intense feelings of animosity towards the person who put you in that position.

I still have a hard time believing that your husband’s extreme level of deceit prior to the wedding would not be an impediment to validly contracting marriage. But I’ll defer to your priest who is in a better position to judge the situation after having met with you both personally and (apparently) also being the priest who conducted your marriage prep. I’m certainly not in a better position than he to assess the situation.

I will keep you both in my prayers. God bless.
 
So has your husband submitted his DNA sample yet?
The baby is not due to be born until next month. DNA paternity testing is a lot easier to conduct after the baby has been born. I would assume that it would be taken care of at that time.
 
I, for one, really hope this whole thread was a farce.

If it’s true, I’m sad for Sophia, of course, but I’m more disturbed by her priest who seems to think that we’re be cavalier by suggesting that her marriage vows may not have been valid when there was deliberate deceit on the part of the husband who lied about very major aspects of his life and history prior to marriage.
Canon 1098: A person contracts invalidly who enters marriage inveigled by deceit, perpetrated in order to secure consent, concerning some quality of the other party, which of its very nature can seriously disrupt the partnership of conjugal life.
If dozens of sexual partners, a child out of wedlock, a sex addiction, and more aren’t enough to “seriously disrupt the partnership,” I don’t know what is.

Father, I believe marriage is permanent, for life. What Sophia is describing is not a marriage but a simulation of it.
 
The baby is not due to be born until next month. DNA paternity testing is a lot easier to conduct after the baby has been born. I would assume that it would be taken care of at that time.
He (the father) can submit his sample any time. That would be the simplest task to accomplish on his list of tasks to address his sex addiction issues, his financial and other planning if he is a dad, his returning to practicing the faith, etc., and possibly his journey to become a responsible and committed husband.
 
Yeah, this was a strange thread. I hope we hear back from Sophia and that this wasn’t some ruse.
 
Nor had you “picked up on any hint of such problems.” Because your husband is a master liar and manipulator, Sophia. When Father told you he felt sad, did you tell him you were traumatized to the point of considering killing yourself?
NO I was too ashamed to tell our Priest that I had been having suicidal thoughts.
 
Just a little note worth mentioning, our Priest expressed concern at the cry of ‘divorce him now’ that was advised a number of times in your replys, he reminds us that as Catholics there is no divorce, such a piece of paper from the courts is nothing more than a piece of paper. Divorced Catholics are still married until death parts them. He added that Annulment is almost impossible to receive and takes many months or even years of fierce debating and proving before it could even be considered by Rome. Annulment is only granted in extreme circumstances.
I’m starting to smell a rat. This is completely in accurate. The reality is annulements usually take a few months and are granted on much less infractions that you are describing. When I got my annulement my priest said that 80% of all annulements go through. It is actually rare that the church finds nothing that could render it invalid. Which is unfortunate.
 
I’m starting to smell a rat. This is completely in accurate. The reality is annulements usually take a few months and are granted on much less infractions that you are describing. When I got my annulement my priest said that 80% of all annulements go through. It is actually rare that the church finds nothing that could render it invalid. Which is unfortunate.
Indeed it is inaccurate, and no “fierce debating” back and forth is necessary. It’s like some kind of movie image of what an annulment tribunal is like. Or maybe it was like that about 100 years ago. No more.

I’m wondering if 1) the OP ever talked to the priest or 2) this is just a fictional story.
 
(I snipped a bunch of your post, to shorten my post.)

:confused:

I’m sure I am reading this wrong, but it seems that this poor woman has been “heavily pregnant” for a very long time.

Two months before the wedding that was a month ago, means “three months ago.” Right? And now she still has a month until her delivery?

So 4 months before her due date?

Someone is lying here, and it isn’t just your husband.
I scolded you for this comment a few days ago. I am now beginning to see that this thread is most likely a fabrication. You saw it well before I did. My apologies.
 
NO I was too ashamed to tell our Priest that I had been having suicidal thoughts.
If you are having suicidal thoughts, please don’t ever try to handle it alone, talk to many others in your life like your parents who love you. Don’t ever think of taking your own life.

Please watch this - youtube.com/watch?v=dJ_DOd2dReg

God Bless you SophiaCra

Thank you for reading
Josh
 
Indeed it is inaccurate, and no “fierce debating” back and forth is necessary. It’s like some kind of movie image of what an annulment tribunal is like. Or maybe it was like that about 100 years ago. No more.

I’m wondering if 1) the OP ever talked to the priest or 2) this is just a fictional story.
Also the only time an annulement has to go to Rome is if you are seeking a disolution of bond by Petrine privilage, which actually isn’t an annulement and is a rare occasion.

I find it hard to believe that a priest would comment on the validity of the marriage considering neither one is talking divorce. Also a priest would understand that we are talking annulement not divorce. The OP had the priest using the terms divorce and annulement interchangeably which would not happen.
 
Sophia,

I am so sorry to hear this. I will be praying for you all this week and tomorrow when I do the novena. I cannot believe that this man has lied to you. I just have to ask, were there any signs that you may have ignored? Did you have any gut feeling about NOT marrying him? I ask this because sometimes when we date, we are not at peace for some reason or another and so when you were courting were there any feelings of uneasiness?

I suggest you do talk to your parish priest and confide in your family, this is the time to turn to them. Yes, it may be embarrassing like you mentioned but if they are your family and they love you, they will support you. Maybe talking to one or two family members and not the entire family can be a start. Also, talk to your husband and find out how serious he is about this marriage: is going to stop, does he want to change? Or there is no way of salvaging the marriage?

Whatever you do, please pray and know that God LOVES you so much. Don’t be afraid, our Lord and Savior and His Mother are here for you. Please think about every action before you do them and also know that everyone here on CAF is praying for a peaceful and positive outcome out of all of this.

All of this will pass, offer your suffering to God and do not isolate yourself. Spend time at church, join peer groups and have someone to talk to about all of this. There are many wives who have gone through similar situations here on CAF that I’ve read about so remember you are not alone. If you need someone to talk to you can also PM me.

May God bless you Sophia and I will now ask our Mother Mary to help you:

Mother Mary, please give Sophia strength and wisdom to handle this horrific situation with her husband. May your love, understanding and patience be instilled in her now.
Hail Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary, mother of God pray for us sinners now and at the our of our death. Amen
 
First and foremost, please know that you are loved. Above all you are loved by our Blessed Lord. You are loved by your family and friends. Talk this out as much as possible with the people closest to you who will listen. Jesus was not a stranger to suffering. You are suffering too. There are some people who would gladly suffer for you so you may live. Please seek help from a Priest, the Church, a medical doctor, a Catholic therapist, your family and friends. Write out your feelings on paper. You are in a unique position to use your sufferings to aid the Holy Souls in Purgatory. Those you save will pray for you and never forget you. Pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy often especially at 3pm in the afternoon. Unite your sufferings with Christ on the cross. Do you remember the story of Job? He suffered immensely but all was restored in the end. Gold is tested in fire. You are the gold. You are a saint in the making for no saint ever escaped suffering. GOD LOVE YOU! GOD BLESS YOU! You are in my thoughts and prayers. I will remember you in Adoration and my Divine Mercy prayers. :gopray:
 
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NO I was too ashamed to tell our Priest that I had been having suicidal thoughts.
Sophia, you need to respect yourself enough to get help. You have written about how being a faithful Catholic means so much to you. Please act on that faith and treasure the dignity and sanctity which are infused within your soul by our Creator. You need to put aside that shame you have and talk with and hopefully see face-to-face people who can appropriately help you deal with your grief, hopelessness, fears, etc.

Here are some suggestions:
  1. First thing in the morning, try to get an immediate appointment with a mental health professional. Tell the staff this is extremely urgent.
  2. Look in your phone directory or on the Internet for the number of your local suicide prevention and crisis hotline. Or at least search for the UK’s national hotline #.
  3. Offer your shame up to God (continually) and phone your mother, tell her you are in great distress, that your marriage is in huge trouble, and that you would appreciate her emotional support and other help to get you through this crisis. Humility isn’t such a bad thing, Sophia – make a decision to love yourself, please, by allowing your imperfect family members to love and support you, probably imperfectly, but so what?.
  4. Constantly ask - no matter how you feel or what you are thinking - constantly ask one of the saints, or St. Michael the Archangel, to walk with you during this crisis. Even if all you can pray is “Hail Mary” a few hundred times a day, trust that the praying will be of benefit. None of us are ever too unworthy to ask other people and the saints to pray for us. Sometimes it’s difficult for people to pray to God when they’re overwhelmed by emotions and stress, and if this is the case for you, do your best to pray to Him anyway – at least the Lord’s Prayer – and trust that others are praying on your behalf.
 
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