News from Diocese of Saginaw, MI

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bakhita said:
Did anyone see the article in the Saginaw News about how Bishop Untener was inducted into the Saginaw Hall of Fame?
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Yes it was in Tuesday’s paper. I can’t find a link to the article. The only thing i can find is the PDF file of the front page of Tuesday’s, The Saginaw News.

mlive.com/sanews/frontpage/pdfs/A_Tuesday.pdf

The article continues on page two, where his advocacy to the woman priesthood is mentioned.
“Untener became known as a progressive force withing the church, speaking out in 1991 for the ordination of women.” (The Saginaw News, Past leaders come to fore, Tuesday*,* October 2, 2007, Page A2*)*
I know everyone reading and posting on these boards are tired of this topic, but the Saginaw News chose to highlight this. His leadership, as reported by the Saginaw NEws, was basically the following:
  • He sold the Bishops mansion shortly after his ordination and lived in 69 residences during his tenure.
  • He founded a Friday morning community breakfast meeting.
  • He had a prosthetic leg which he wore while playing hockey.
  • He was known as a progressive favoring womens ordination.
    A glowing comment from a Lutheran pastor completed his section of the article, which was the best part: “He wasn’t just a bishop in the church. He was a true Christian in the community.”
I wish the article would’ve focussed more on his leadership in the christian community.
 
spanky said:
  • He sold the Bishops mansion shortly after his ordination and lived in 69 residences during his tenure.
  • He founded a Friday morning community breakfast meeting.
  • He had a prosthetic leg which he wore while playing hockey.
  • He was known as a progressive favoring womens ordination.
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Yeah, great. Maybe the Saginaw News should’ve also mentioned how under his watch half of the parishes in the diocese became pastor-less.

But I guess that’s just not too important.

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People who know me know that I was no fan of Bishop Untener. Just today I had to hold my tongue when I overheard a priest friend of mine and his pastoral associate trash Bishop Carlson and the Diocesan newspaper (for not supporting women’s ordination and not making a bigger deal about Bishop Ken’s induction into the HOF).

However, Bishop Ken Untener was indeed a well-rounded individual. He was well-liked (although that isn’t always a good thing) in the Diocese and will always be remembered for his close interaction with the parishoners of the Diocese (by living at most of the parishes).

Furthermore, there is NOTHING WRONG with healthy debate about Bishop Ken Untener, including constructive criticism of how he ran the Diocese. Twenty-odd ordinations in twenty-four years compared to the orthodox Bishop Carlson’s projected twenty-some in five or six years is worth considering.
 
Here is an intersting article from a local Saginaw bulletin (St. Andrew Parish):

**Call to Action **will host the State Meeting in our PAC
on Saturday, October 13th, registration at 8:30 am.
Speaker is Bob McClory. Topic is “A Light at the End of
the Tunnel-Restoring the Lost Mark of the Church”.
Advanced registration is $35. ($40 at the door). This
includes continental breakfast, morning Liturgy of the
Word, and lunch. Closing Mass is at 3 pm.

It just doesn;t seem appropriate to be supporting this groups activities in out parish bulletins.
 
I see someone further up asked about the cathedral. I’m interested to. are there any renovation plans? Seems this was talked about at one time.
 
Though not officially announced yet, a major renovation of St Mary of the Assumption Cathedral of the diocese of Saginaw is set to start sometime soon, possibly around the first of the year. At that time parishioners will attend mass at nearby Holy Family until the renovation is completed, which is estimated to be a two year period.
 
oh wow! Any speculation on what the renovation could include? Also, I’ve noticed that there are no longer any pictures of the cathedral online, nor a website for it. How come?
 
piejesu said:
Though not officially announced yet, a major renovation of St Mary of the Assumption Cathedral of the diocese of Saginaw is set to start sometime soon, possibly around the first of the year. At that time parishioners will attend mass at nearby Holy Family until the renovation is completed, which is estimated to be a two year period.
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So the renovation will shut the cathedral down COMPLETELY?!!
 
piejesu said:
Though not officially announced yet, a major renovation of St Mary of the Assumption Cathedral of the diocese of Saginaw is set to start sometime soon, possibly around the first of the year. At that time parishioners will attend mass at nearby Holy Family until the renovation is completed, which is estimated to be a two year period.
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What are they doing that could require shutting down the building for two years? The building is basically a gutted shell right now. I have noticed there might be a leak in the roof or two, but even to mend that would not require a shut down of the building? Are the plans to restore it to it’s original state, with pews and kneelers and all that good stuff?
 
MICATH said:
Are the plans to restore it to it’s original state, with pews and kneelers and all that good stuff?
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I don’t know about it’s original state, but since kneeling will be required by Advent 2009, i think its saft to say that kneelers will be installed.
 
spanky said:
I don’t know about it’s original state, but since kneeling will be required by Advent 2009, i think its saft to say that kneelers will be installed.
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Does anyone know how many parishes have added kneelers since the GIRM guidelines came out? I know of several parishes in the Saginaw area where there are no kneelers and kneeling is generally not practiced during the consecration.

There are some where people kneel:
  • Holy Family in Saginaw
  • St. Brigid in Midland
  • St. Stanislaus in Bay City
But I think all of them had kneelers there before the bishop came.

There are still a lot of parishes that were “modernized” in the 1980s and 1990s that don’t have kneelers or a visible tabernacle for that matter.
 
bakhita said:
Does anyone know how many parishes have added kneelers since the GIRM guidelines came out? But I think all of them had kneelers there before the bishop came.

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I think the correct answer is ZERO. I haven’t even heard it discussed or talked about anywhere There are several parishes that have chairs, not pews, (the Cathedral included), several that are built on slants, etc. I can’t believe everyone is ignoring the Bishop, but it is beginning to appear that they are just going to have people kneel on the floor and hope for a revolt from the pews (from the chairs?) in regard to the implementation document.

I also haven’t noticed a stop to the practice of consecrating the wine in glass pitchers or the use of precious metals for chalices instead of wine glasses.
 
MICATH said:
I think the correct answer is ZERO. I haven’t even heard it discussed or talked about anywhere There are several parishes that have chairs, not pews, (the Cathedral included), several that are built on slants, etc. I can’t believe everyone is ignoring the Bishop, but it is beginning to appear that they are just going to have people kneel on the floor and hope for a revolt from the pews (from the chairs?) in regard to the implementation document.

I also haven’t noticed a stop to the practice of consecrating the wine in glass pitchers or the use of precious metals for chalices instead of wine glasses.
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I have also noticed that the wine has been consecrated and distributed in glass vessels at most parishes.

I am afraid you are right. It seems that very few in the diocese are obeying the bishop.
 
bakhita said:
I have also noticed that the wine has been consecrated and distributed in glass vessels at most parishes.

I am afraid you are right. It seems that very few in the diocese are obeying the bishop.
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They are not required to purchase and use new Sacred Vessels until Nov 29, 2009, according to the time-line for complete implementation.

saginaw.org/liturgy/girmcommentary

I don’t know how much it would cost to replace wine glasses with those made of precious metal (“or other soIid and worthy materials…”) but it seems reasonable enough to get that requirement taken care of well in advance of the deadline. I do think that installing kneelers in churches (esp those with theater/stadium seating) will need until then.
 
spanky said:
They are not required to purchase and use new Sacred Vessels until Nov 29, 2009, according to the time-line for complete implementation.

saginaw.org/liturgy/girmcommentary

I don’t know how much it would cost to replace wine glasses with those made of precious metal (“or other soIid and worthy materials…”) but it seems reasonable enough to get that requirement taken care of well in advance of the deadline. I do think that installing kneelers in churches (esp those with theater/stadium seating) will need until then.
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But don’t you think that there should be the start of some conversation at the parish level regarding both of the above? These items are not going to paid for out of the weekly collection basket in most cases, so some sort of appeal to the faithful should be occurring soon if the money is going to be available to get the work done. A gold-plated chalice can be affordable (anywhere from about $150.00 on up, depending on taste and budget), but kneelers and renovation are major projects. Even if everyone started now and had the money for the renovations, their probably aren’t enough contractors out there to get all the work done inside of a year.
 
And in the good news department, the Catholic High School in Saginaw, Nouvel Catholic Central, has been named to the Top 50 Catholic High Schools in the U.S. Three cheers to the Bishop and the staff at the school for this accomplishment!
 
I agree- those sacred vessels could be bought now, and the parishes could advertise for people to pay for them. I may be a stick in the mud, but I find it hard that anyone would not want to comply with Holy Mother church?
 
MICATH said:
But don’t you think that there should be the start of some conversation at the parish level regarding both of the above?
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Yes. However Father put a message in our bulletin, soon after the implemenation plan was rolled out, that we are to discontinue contacting the parish about it. I guess the conversation will be in private.
A gold-plated chalice can be affordable (anywhere from about $150.00 on up
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We have up to 10 eucharistic ministers distributing the blood of Christ. I guess that could be a bit pricy.
 
No one commented about Call to Action (who support women priests and reproductive rights among other things) using one of the Diocese churches for a meeting. They seem to dissent on a lot of what the Catholic Church teaches. Does the Bishop know about this group and what they stand for? If so, how on earth can he allow them to use one of his churches to meet? Curious g minds want to know - I’ve been wondering about this for a while too.
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