NFP culture within the Church

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puppylove:
I began practicing NFP just last month. I was one of those Catholics who thought that I was not sinning using contraceptives. About 6 months ago, I began practicing my faith like a Catholic should. I started following all the teachings of the Catholic Church including the one on contraception. My husband (45 years old) and I (37 years old) are both in our second marriages. Our children (23, 18, & 13) are from our first marriages with little or no moral and zero financial support from our ex-spouses and are all still very dependent on us. We lived in mobile home for the first 2 years of our marriage, then built a house 2 years ago for obvious reasons. My husband’s pay was cut back recently and we are going through some tough financial times. We have agreed not to have any more children because of our ages and finances. Of course, if it would happen, we would love this child. My question is, "Am I sinning by using NFP to prevent pregnancy?
I cannot tell you whether or not you are sinning. It would be good if you talked to a priest. I would say that it sounds as though you and your second husband have no children together. Were you married in the Catholic Church? Did you promise to welcome children into your marriage as Catholics of childbearing years are required to do?
 
Lance O:
The thread ‘Whys and Wherefores of Contraceptives/NFP’ was begun on May 29 by Tim Hayes. My husband and I (this is Lance’s wife) enjoyed reading through discussions like that since I am a FertilityCare Practitioner and we’re obviously very much crazy about NFP and how great it is for people’s marriages, health, faith, etc.

I bring this up because in that original thread complaints were brought up about changes in the cycle that would render days ‘fertile’ and therefore unavailable if the intention is to avoid pregnancy.

Being a practitioner in the Creighton Model I’ve been trained in an allied health program through the Pope Paul VI Institute in Omaha, NE. (www.popepaulvi.com and www.fertilitycare.org for info) I chose to become trained in and teach this method for several reasons; I feel very strongly that it has many advantages. One of them being that you have a clear sign on a daily basis of your fertility. AND if you encounter changes in your cycle that would make it seem as if you’re fertile for 60% of it (continuous mucus) your practitioner in the Creighton Method can help you identify a sameness pattern which will then identify your days of true fertility.

However, I have noticed, especially since becoming a Practitioner, that there seems to be some animosity between different natural methods within the Church. It seems so silly to me. Each method has it’s advantages and I think that people should be willing to acknowledge that and look at each method with an open mind.

Are there any comments/discussion on this? I’ve just been thinking a lot about it lately (since that first discussion)…
Referencing back to this post, I agree with your observation that there may be some animosity between methods. I have a strong preference for the Marquette Method, and I would never recommend CCLI to anyone. CCLI is very anti working family, and many of us are forced to be dual income families. They distribute a pamphlet called “The First Three Years” (or something like that) which contains a series of non-referenced, out-of-context, hostile quotes degrading working families and equating out-of-home care to child abuse. I received the pamphlet when I ordered the home study course. I did not order the pamphlet. I contacted them about this, thinking that it may have been included in error, and I was informed that they send this pamphlet out to every one. Any organization that distrubutes false, hostile, anti-family material is not an organization that I trust to help me figure out when my fertile times are.

However, I contacted Marquette about NFP. Guess what they send me - information on NFP. Perfect! When I have contacted them, they are always helpful. When I told them that I was pumping milk for my baby while I was at work, and breastfeeding her while I was at home, they helped me figure out how that was affecting my cycles. They did not, however, equate my working with the cruelest form of child abuse as CCLI did. Again, perfect.

If other NFP methods disperse hate filled literature like CCLI, no wonder there is anomosity, and no wonder the compliance on the Church’s teaching on contraception is so low.
 
Lance O:
The thread ‘Whys and Wherefores of Contraceptives/NFP’ was begun on May 29 by Tim Hayes. My husband and I (this is Lance’s wife) enjoyed reading through discussions like that since I am a FertilityCare Practitioner and we’re obviously very much crazy about NFP and how great it is for people’s marriages, health, faith, etc.

I bring this up because in that original thread complaints were brought up about changes in the cycle that would render days ‘fertile’ and therefore unavailable if the intention is to avoid pregnancy.

Being a practitioner in the Creighton Model I’ve been trained in an allied health program through the Pope Paul VI Institute in Omaha, NE. (www.popepaulvi.com and www.fertilitycare.org for info) I chose to become trained in and teach this method for several reasons; I feel very strongly that it has many advantages. One of them being that you have a clear sign on a daily basis of your fertility. AND if you encounter changes in your cycle that would make it seem as if you’re fertile for 60% of it (continuous mucus) your practitioner in the Creighton Method can help you identify a sameness pattern which will then identify your days of true fertility.

However, I have noticed, especially since becoming a Practitioner, that there seems to be some animosity between different natural methods within the Church. It seems so silly to me. Each method has it’s advantages and I think that people should be willing to acknowledge that and look at each method with an open mind.

Are there any comments/discussion on this? I’ve just been thinking a lot about it lately (since that first discussion)…
THANKS FOR BEING A PRACTICIONER! I really like this method and it has been very helpful! The only problem is my husband isnt as into this as I am. I thank God I’ve found this method! It was confusing at first but now I know my body! I pray that others seek this method! I hope to be a witness to those on contraceptives and show them they can natural family plan without fake stuff!
 
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puppylove:
I began practicing NFP just last month. I was one of those Catholics who thought that I was not sinning using contraceptives. About 6 months ago, I began practicing my faith like a Catholic should. I started following all the teachings of the Catholic Church including the one on contraception. My husband (45 years old) and I (37 years old) are both in our second marriages. Our children (23, 18, & 13) are from our first marriages with little or no moral and zero financial support from our ex-spouses and are all still very dependent on us. We lived in mobile home for the first 2 years of our marriage, then built a house 2 years ago for obvious reasons. My husband’s pay was cut back recently and we are going through some tough financial times. We have agreed not to have any more children because of our ages and finances. Of course, if it would happen, we would love this child. My question is, "Am I sinning by using NFP to prevent pregnancy?
GOOD FOR YOU !! IT is a great blessing! I believe it is a sin if it is for selfish reasons.
 
Lance O:
The thread ‘Whys and Wherefores of Contraceptives/NFP’ was begun on May 29 by Tim Hayes. My husband and I (this is Lance’s wife) enjoyed reading through discussions like that since I am a FertilityCare Practitioner and we’re obviously very much crazy about NFP and how great it is for people’s marriages, health, faith, etc.

I bring this up because in that original thread complaints were brought up about changes in the cycle that would render days ‘fertile’ and therefore unavailable if the intention is to avoid pregnancy.

Being a practitioner in the Creighton Model I’ve been trained in an allied health program through the Pope Paul VI Institute in Omaha, NE. (www.popepaulvi.com and www.fertilitycare.org for info) I chose to become trained in and teach this method for several reasons; I feel very strongly that it has many advantages. One of them being that you have a clear sign on a daily basis of your fertility. AND if you encounter changes in your cycle that would make it seem as if you’re fertile for 60% of it (continuous mucus) your practitioner in the Creighton Method can help you identify a sameness pattern which will then identify your days of true fertility.

However, I have noticed, especially since becoming a Practitioner, that there seems to be some animosity between different natural methods within the Church. It seems so silly to me. Each method has it’s advantages and I think that people should be willing to acknowledge that and look at each method with an open mind.

Are there any comments/discussion on this? I’ve just been thinking a lot about it lately (since that first discussion)…
Will this method work if you’re pre-menopausal and/or taking medications? I am almost 54 and not into menopause yet but I’m taking a lot of medications for different problems. For these reasons I feel I’m justified in trying to avoid pregnancy. I notice I sometimes get this mucus thats like rubber cement more than once during the month and I’m confused if I’m ovulating or not. Other times I have spotting during mid-cycle and not know if its a period coming on or ovulation. It would be difficult taking temperatures in the morning because the first thing I do in the morning is run to the john because of a spastic bladder and IBS problems. What would you advise for me?
 
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AggieMommy:
CCLI is very anti working family…They distribute a pamphlet called “The First Three Years” … which contains a series of non-referenced, out-of-context, hostile quotes degrading working families and equating out-of-home care to child abuse.

If other NFP methods disperse hate filled literature like CCLI, no wonder there is anomosity, and no wonder the compliance on the Church’s teaching on contraception is so low.
Interesting. I have not seen the pamphlet you refer to, but I would like to ask a question. Are you sure they condemned ALL two income families as evil? Or is it possible that they just touched a nerve? An awful lot of families DO NEED both parents incomes to make ends meet. But it is NOT wrong for CCLI to point out that day-care has a LOT of downsides to it. It is very important to get this message out today because a LOT of families with TWO newish cars, a big house, cable TV, cell phones, yearly vacations, fancy clothes, regular eat-out habits and other non-essential spending claim that they NEED two incomes. They do not. And to reach for a luxurious lifestyle at the cost of paying someone else to raise your children most of their waking hours DOES require a loud wake-up call!
 
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manualman:
Interesting. I have not seen the pamphlet you refer to, but I would like to ask a question. Are you sure they condemned ALL two income families as evil? Or is it possible that they just touched a nerve? An awful lot of families DO NEED both parents incomes to make ends meet. But it is NOT wrong for CCLI to point out that day-care has a LOT of downsides to it. It is very important to get this message out today because a LOT of families with TWO newish cars, a big house, cable TV, cell phones, yearly vacations, fancy clothes, regular eat-out habits and other non-essential spending claim that they NEED two incomes. They do not. And to reach for a luxurious lifestyle at the cost of paying someone else to raise your children most of their waking hours DOES require a loud wake-up call!
Strike a nerve? I’m not sure. If you mean that it made me realize that I’m a horrible parent, then no. We’re doing great. If you mean that I am annoyed and find it mind-boggling that an organization would hostilely set out to alienate the majority of couples, then yes. While it may be true that some who work could stay home, it has nothing to do with NFP. And, it is wrong to point out that daycare is bad while making it seem like scientific fact. Issuing a pamphlet that said CCLI supports SAHM would be great. A pamphlet expounding on all of the positives CCLI has seen of single income families, would also be fine. But, sending out unsolicited literature that is hostile toward working parents is wrong. It has nothing to do with NFP. There is nothing in the teaching of the Church that says that women cannot work. We need to encourage all married couples to use NFP, and CCLI’s distribution of literature that is hostile and degrading to working families does not achieve that goal. Shame on them.
 
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Celeste88:
Will this method work if you’re pre-menopausal and/or taking medications? I am almost 54 and not into menopause yet but I’m taking a lot of medications for different problems. For these reasons I feel I’m justified in trying to avoid pregnancy. I notice I sometimes get this mucus thats like rubber cement more than once during the month and I’m confused if I’m ovulating or not. Other times I have spotting during mid-cycle and not know if its a period coming on or ovulation. It would be difficult taking temperatures in the morning because the first thing I do in the morning is run to the john because of a spastic bladder and IBS problems. What would you advise for me?
The Creighton Method is designed to be effective for use in any reproductive category (post-partum, breastfeeding, premenopausal…etc). And with the Creighton Method there is no temp taking involved (great perk!).

Additionally, as far as your medications go, the Creighton Model is a medical method (another of its attributes that makes it stand out among the other NFP methods) and takes into account any medications that are being taken that may affect the mucus sign.

The rubber cement mucus you mention is typically a sign of an inflammed cervix and would not be an indication of anovulation (a non-ovulating state).

The spotting mid-cycle can certainly be associated with ovulation (and therefore should be considered fertile). It is also possible to see pre-menstrual spotting, so until you begin charting and go over your chart with your Creighton Practitioner, it is difficult to differentiate here.

I would definitely advise visiting www.fertilitycare.org and using their online directory to locate a Creighton program in your area. Best wishes, and please feel free to contact me with any other questions; I’m happy to help.

www.popepaulvi.com is also a very helpful resource for information. The Pope Paul VI Institute for Reproductive Medicine (Omaha, NE) is the Creighton Model headquarters.
 
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