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TheLittleLady
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This, and amen.
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Magdalene
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I’m confused. You said NFP fails because you can’t assume that you ovulate on CD 15. But that’s not what NFP assumes… so maybe I’m misunderstanding you.
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Pup7
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Thanks. And the more precise you nail this date, the higher the NFP success rate.
All NFP is is the EXACT same methods used to attempt to get pregnant - except you AVOID sex instead of planning to have it.
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Pup7
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According to the dates outlined in the post I responded to, she was saying to avoid sex through the 15th of the month.
Ovulation biologically and in every single healthy female occurs around day 15. That’s a hard fact.
But not all of us do it on that day. Some are a few days early, some are later.
An egg lives for 72 hours once it’s released. Sperm can live in the body of the woman for up to five days.
NFP is teaching you the signs of impending ovulation. Count the days and you’ll see how close you get to 15 using temps and ovulation predictors, both natural and technological.
If you assume you ovulated on day 15, but you went on day 18, and you had intercourse on the 20th, you might have a new family member in nine months because that egg is still viable.
Counting the days and charting signs gives you an even MORE precise picture of what your body is doing. Your first day of your period is day 1. Most of us ovulate between day 13 and day 18. Between about days 26 and 32 you will get your period. All of these days are normal. The more tools you use, the more precise you become.
But whether you track it or not, what NFP is doing is nailing down the day you ovulate, or helping you get close. The predictor she was talking about is an ovulation predictor, a little machine you can buy that measures hormone levels in your urine. It’s intended for women trying to get pregnant - but the information it gives is all the same regardless of what you do with it, because when the levels shift, you’re ovulating - and if you don’t want to be pregnant, you avoid sex.
As I’ve said in previous posts, talk to an OB/GYN.
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malio81
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Why you dont pubblish your situation? So we can understand by example…
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Pup7
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I just did.
Why I cannot bear children is for my husband and I to know. What I went through in learning that is private. Trying to deal with it as I am only weeks from turning 45 is part of what led me to the Church.
Why I cannot bear children is for my husband and I to know. What I went through in learning that is private. Trying to deal with it as I am only weeks from turning 45 is part of what led me to the Church.
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Xantippe
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Or “serious reasons.”
“Grave reasons” is apparently a bad translation of the Latin. (My husband recently saw a talk on this by Janet Smith–she went into great detail on the Latin translation issues.)
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Magdalene
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I think I missed what you were responding to. Because NFP does not teach (like rhythm) to figure out when ovulation is based on the calendar. It teaches all of the things you are describing.
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Magdalene
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I use NFP but I don’t think it’s helpful to know when someone else ovulates, so I havent answered. You have to use the methods taught to you to figure out when you are most likely ovulating.
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Pup7
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That is what you are doing. You are learning ovulation.
Rhythm did not do that well at all because all you did was count days from day one to day 15. There were no mucus checks, no cervical checks, no temp taking, no peeing on a stick (that of course didn’t exist). It had an 80% failure rate.
You’re missing that what you are doing is learning the day you ovulate. I am not mistaking it for a method that is no longer endorsed or used. I know better.
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Magdalene
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I know that’s exactly what I’m doing! I think you’re missing that that is NFP.
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Pup7
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That’s what I’m talking about. Good grief.
How am I missing what I’m saying is the case?
Whether you track it or not, ovulation will always occur in the vicinity of day 15 if you are healthy. Always. That has nothing to do with the rhythm method and everything to do with basic biology.
How am I missing what I’m saying is the case?
Whether you track it or not, ovulation will always occur in the vicinity of day 15 if you are healthy. Always. That has nothing to do with the rhythm method and everything to do with basic biology.
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Magdalene
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You said that’s why NFP fails… and then you went on to describe what someone should do. But what you are describing is NFP. Or did I totally mess up what you are saying?
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Pup7
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NFP fails when people assume they ovulate on day 15 and are not paying attention to what is actually happening. You can’t do that - you will be a mama if you rely on that assumption. I know women who track everything under the sun, but assume they ovulate on day 15. And they have kids now. 
The post I responded to said she found she should avoid sex between days 7-15 after charting her signs using the NFP method. I said people can’t assume that for the reasons I mentioned.
Counting increases the accuracy of NFP, and in reality, you’re counting anyway.
The post I responded to said she found she should avoid sex between days 7-15 after charting her signs using the NFP method. I said people can’t assume that for the reasons I mentioned.
Counting increases the accuracy of NFP, and in reality, you’re counting anyway.
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Magdalene
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NFP never assumes that you just ovulate on CD 15. NFP teaches you all of the tracking that you’ve been describing. That’s what NFP is. At least where I learned it…
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Pup7
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Ugh. I’m not responding again. Please read what I’ve written. That is not what I said.
In addition to other times I emphasized that people cannot assume. Because I know for a fact it happens. Especially when a woman’s body isn’t completely accurate with her - which isn’t her fault, and can also happen.
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Magdalene
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If someone didn’t pay attention and track their signs, and they just assumed that they ovulated on CD 15, then NFP did not fail. That person failed to use NFP. In my classes we were explicitly taught not to do that.
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Pup7
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Their implementation of it fails, and hence the method because of faulty use.Pup7:
If someone didn’t pay attention and track their signs, and they just assumed that they ovulated on CD 15, then NFP did not fail. That person failed to use NFP. In my classes we were explicitly taught not to do that.
Yes, by definition, if you don’t use something correctly, it will fail.
I’m not running out on the convo. My lunch hour is over. Not trying to be rude by leaving.
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TheLittleLady
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Ding Ding Ding. I think I see the confusing.
@magdaline is saying “The 15th day of the month” as in everyone ovulates on June 15th.
@Pup7 is using the accurate terminology, Day 15 of that individual woman’s cycle. Day 15 can fall on June 23 or June 1st.
@magdaline is saying “The 15th day of the month” as in everyone ovulates on June 15th.
@Pup7 is using the accurate terminology, Day 15 of that individual woman’s cycle. Day 15 can fall on June 23 or June 1st.
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Magdalene
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Their implementation of it didn’t fail… they just chose not to implement it.
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