Nfp - How often

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Magdalene:

Pup7:

NFP fails when people assume they ovulate on day 15 and are not paying attention to what is actually happening.

If someone didn’t pay attention and track their signs, and they just assumed that they ovulated on CD 15, then NFP did not fail. That person failed to use NFP. In my classes we were explicitly taught not to do that.

Their implementation of it fails, and hence the method because of faulty use.

Yes, by definition, if you don’t use something correctly, it will fail.

Calling a cat a dog and then saying “my dog failed to bark at the intruder” dosn’t mean that it’s a failing on dogs. It can’t be an NFP failure if it’s not NFP.

 

[Pup7]

Yes! Thank you.

I thought when I said “your first day of your period is day one” that would make sense.

My failure. Thanks!

 

[Pup7]

Apples and oranges.

Use something incorrectly and it will fail. Not calling a cat a dog here.

 

[Magdalene]

No, I’m saying NFP teaches you to use signs and symptoms to figure out ovulation. NFP does not teach to figure it out based on cycle day.

 

[Pup7]

And we’re telling you that that is what you are doing.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Bangs head against wall.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Apples and oranges.

Use something incorrectly and it will fail. Not calling a cat a dog here.

Using “just” Cycle day 15 is in NO WAY NFP. It just isn’t. Every form of NFP that’s actually published makes that abundantly clear.

 

[Magdalene]

Thank you!

 

[Pup7]

Pup7:

Apples and oranges.

Use something incorrectly and it will fail. Not calling a cat a dog here.

Using “just” Cycle day 15 is in NO WAY NFP. It just isn’t. Every form of NFP that’s actually published makes that abundantly clear.

Read the thread. NOWHERE have I ever, ever said that. I said I’ve seen people assume. Good grief.

Bangs head against wall.

Also, if you read up, you’ll see that I responded in an effort to clarify to a post that said she avoids sex on days 7-15, based on previously charting her signs and continuing to do so. That won’t work for everyone, so I pointed that out and explained why. That’s where it all started.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

Xanthippe_Voorhees:

Pup7:

Apples and oranges.

Use something incorrectly and it will fail. Not calling a cat a dog here.

Using “just” Cycle day 15 is in NO WAY NFP. It just isn’t. Every form of NFP that’s actually published makes that abundantly clear.

Read the thread. NOWHERE have I ever, ever said that.

Bangs head against wall.

Maybe you can bang it hard enough to see clearly. That’s just what you’re accusing @Magdalene of doing.

Their implementation of it fails, and hence the method because of faulty use.

Yes, by definition, if you don’t use something correctly, it will fail.

This is not about implementation. Using only your cycle day is not NFP. You aren’t using it at all. It can’t fail because you aren’t using it, not because you’re not using it right.

 

[TheLittleLady]

@Pup7

Want to go get a martini after work?

 

[Pup7]

I never said it was. Not. Once.

Nothing wrong with my vision for the record.

If you use a screwdriver as a hammer, and the screw doesn’t budge, the screwdriver failed because of your failure to use it correctly.

 

[Pup7]

@Pup7

Want to go get a martini after work?

Where do you live?

 

[TheLittleLady]

Only about 15 hours away in South Central Arkansas!

 

[Paul71]

We would know from ladies of this forum:

I’m not a lady, but I hope you don’t mind hearing my feedback.

How long is your cycle, how days “safe”, how days “not safe”;

My wife used to have very irregular cycles, ranging from 28 days to more than 40 days. But for the past few years, her cycles have been very regular – almost always 27 to 29 days. We are usually safe from day 1 to day 8 (though we avoid the first few days), and from day 20 to the last day.

How often . . .

Edit: Another poster below expressed concern that this is not an appropriate question, so I am removing my answer. Instead I will say that we are able to be intimate often enough that we don’t feel like we are missing much by abstaining during part of each cycle.

What method do you use and since many years.

We used ecological breastfeeding after the birth of each of our children. Other than that, we originally used a mucus-only version of the Couple-to-Couple League’s method, and more recently we have used the Billings Ovulation Method. We briefly tried the Marquette Method (which uses a fertility monitor), but we found it to be more difficult to use, and we didn’t feel like it gave us any information that we didn’t already have from recording mucus observations. We have been married more than 15 years, and we have four children (all of whom were planned or semi-planned).

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

I never said it was. Not. Once.

Nothing wrong with my vision for the record.

If you use a screwdriver as a hammer, and the screw doesn’t budge, the screwdriver failed because of your failure to use it correctly.

I quoted you.

It’s not a failure of use. A screwdriver is not a hammer. No amount of calling it a hammer will make it work like one. That’s what people are doing. You have the same idea but you are failing to see the point that Mag is making.

 

[SacredHeartBassist]

How is it ok to ask people how often they have sex on here

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

How is it ok to ask people how often they have sex on here

Context my friend, context.

 

[SacredHeartBassist]

It’s not decent in this context.

 

[Xanthippe_Voorhees]

It’s not decent in this context.

Why not? NFP is a church-approved method to understand fertility. The people here are married. They are discussing the use of a scientific method within the confines of a sacramental union and how often one would experiance the martial embrase by use of that technique.