NFP leading to marriage break-up

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I noticed you said you both find family life boring to some extent. Maybe it’s time to shake things up a bit (in a good way). What are some things your husband may have hinted at that he would like to try? Camping? Ballroom dancing? Start his own business? Get a PhD? Trip to Australia? And you too. What are some things you would like to do but have been putting off? Learn a new language? Join a gym? Act in community plays? Get a PhD? My impression is that too much of family life is devoted to chauffeuring kids around to their various sporting, music lessons, and cub scouts activities. Somehow we just get swept up into it all, until it does feel stifling. Start by each of you making a preliminary list of 50 things you would like to do before you die. Compare lists and pick a couple of things and get going.
 
If my husband worked the hours your husband does, then I’m quite sure our marriage would be in trouble too. I can’t imagine finding the energy to fit in a non-fertile day if he is not home until late. Marriage is an investment of time and energy. If he’s working that long, when does he see the children? When do you get to go out for a bit without the children?
 
Last weekend my husband of nearly 15 years announced that he was very unhappy and felt trapped.

As things have unfolded over the last few days, it emerges that a major factor for him is his frustration with using NFP and having our marital relations curtailed in that way. A bigger issue is that he feels I’m ‘too religious’ and ‘too square’ in that I disapprove of him staying out late and getting drunk (not that he does that very often, in fairness).

We have four children and his view is that we’ve done our but about being open to life and in his ideal scenario he would have me go on the pill (a non-abortifacient version).

There’s no way I can agree to that but I’m very afraid that this might be the end of our marriage. I’m tempted to soften my attitude towards, erm, other ways of giving him release during my fertile period.

That is not what I would want in an ideal world, but neither do I want to bring up four children on my own…
Why exactly does your husband want a Catholic woman to go on the pill instead of getting a vasectomy himself or using condoms? Have you suggested that? It seems extremely unfair of him to expect you to go against your religious beliefs when he can achieve the same effect by contracepting on his own.
 
Thanks for the further replies and suggestions.

@Kage, we always used to pray together before going to sleep – it used to be night prayer; more recently just a few little spontaneous prayers. That has become less frequent recently and since the latest crisis, has stopped altogether. I really feel that my trying to ‘lead’ him in matters of religion is part of the problem. It’s got to be mutual. Meanwhile my previously desultory prayer life has been ramped up, and that’s obviously a good thing.

@Sirach 43, I really like your suggestions. I think we’ve both felt a bit stifled by having small children, and also the fact that we’re (I’m) home educating – itself a major strain (but worth it).

@Apricot, you’re quite right about the lack of energy. We really don’t have much time out without the children. We had been talking about addressing this. Trouble is, babysitters round our way are really expensive and we don’t have much family to help out… Still, where there’s a will, there’s a way.
 
Make sure your husband knows that his feelings are very important to you. Give him all the love you can.
I will be praying.
 
Many people find NFP to be a major obstacle in marriage, but don’t look closely enough to see that NFP isn’t the ACTUAL problem. NFP is like a canary in a coal mine (Toxic air in a coal mine kills a canary faster than it kills a human, so it gives the miners enough warning to get HELP before it kills THEM). If NFP is intolerable to one or both spouses, stopping it and using condoms will be as effective as putting a blanket over the dead canary’s cage.

Something is going on in your marriage. Something that will prove toxic to it if you don’t take action. Sadly, I’m not qualified to give you the help you need. Hopefully somebody around here can point you towards some good catholic marriage counseling (because ‘bad’ catholic marriage counseling is worse than none at all!).
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I just have to second this post, and I absoluetly LOVE the analogy.
I hated NFP during our first year of marriage, … and then realised the problems I had thought stemmed from NFP stemmed in fact from our lack of communication, quality time, … Since we adressed these issues, we’ve been able to appreciate NFP a lot more ! Well, sometimes it still does suck a bit :rolleyes::p, but not in the frustrating way it used to.
 
The good news… My husband wants to go to marriage counseling. The bad news… He wants to go alone.:confused:
 
Hmm. I have a small suggestion - read a book called “A Mother’s Rule of Life” (recommended to me by someone on this forum). I’ve just finished it, and it helped me to get my life more ordered and to start on a path of learning about my vocation as a mother. My husband is so impressed with what I’ve achieved in such a short time (two weeks) that he has agreed to join in. My situation is different to yours, but I see in your descriptions some areas that the book covers.

The idea that motherhood is a vocation, and therefore you have a responsibility to God in everything you do, even the most boring of household tasks helped me to start doing them for God, rather than putting them off or being bored stiff when I was doing them. I also can see that fatherhood is just as much a vocation as motherhood, and if you don’t treat these as such, life can be very unfulfilling.

The other thing I read,

catholic.com/thisrock/2008/0801fea2.asp

was an article about how the definition of Sloth includes excessive work to avoid responsibilities like prayer or family time. Maybe this could relate somewhat to your situation, although I’m not sure how it helps.
 
Well, I am a mug.

Tonight I found out that my husband has been having an affair for the last month. I am absolutely devastated.

If anyone could spare a prayer, I’ll be – literally – eternally grateful. I don’t know what to do.
 
I agree with the other posters who suspect there’s some other issue going on here. Is he possibly the sort of guy who just hates feeling like somebody’s trying to control him? I mean, is it really that horribly difficult for a mature man to go without sex-on-demand for, what, four or five days a month?

Is he the sort who is just trying to win something he perceives as a power struggle? Does he always get determined to have whatever somebody tells him he can’t?

Have you considered changing how you react to the “boys night out”?

Maybe he has developed some mistaken of you as trying to control him. Maybe a faith-based counselor could help you find strategies for your marriage that let him feel he has freedom and control without compromising your faith!
 
Well, I am a mug.

Tonight I found out that my husband has been having an affair for the last month. I am absolutely devastated.

If anyone could spare a prayer, I’ll be – literally – eternally grateful. I don’t know what to do.
I am very sorry to hear that. You are in my prayers.
 
Well, I am a mug.

Tonight I found out that my husband has been having an affair for the last month. I am absolutely devastated.

If anyone could spare a prayer, I’ll be – literally – eternally grateful. I don’t know what to do.
I am SO sorry.😦 That makes sense of his wanting to go to marriage counseling alone. I pray that you will work through this.
 
Get an appointment with your priest ASAP. He has helped others through this valley.
 
Well, I am a mug.

Tonight I found out that my husband has been having an affair for the last month. I am absolutely devastated.

If anyone could spare a prayer, I’ll be – literally – eternally grateful. I don’t know what to do.
After reading the responses of other Catholics here, as a convert to the faith who experienced infidelity in a M that practiced NFP, I backed off from your post thinking that something must be wrong with me. Everyone seemed so taken aback by what I said.

I’m here, to let you know that this is not your fault. Again, everything about investigating that I mentioned before, I still would recommend you follow up with, unless your H is being open and honest. (However, we rarely get the truth on discovery day --DDay)

That said, the first thing you need to do is breathe. Just breathe. You’re a homeschooling mom, so you aren’t going to get a break. You’ve got to take care of yourself. Since it’s likely you can’t even eat right now, please at least sip on a nutritional supplement like Ensure. Keep hydrated.

Cut out all of his overtime now. Have him take full care of the kids in the evening. Even if he still is in the A. He has a responsibility to his children by law. He’s more than just a paycheck. And if he can find time to have an A, he can certainly do his part with his children.

Again, you will only be able to keep a happy face for the kids for so long each day. I had 6 young kids when I found out. It took all I could just to get through the day caring for and teaching them. My H had to quit a second job so I could go and “vegetate” in the evening. All of a sudden, he found himself taking care of everything in the evening…meals, kids, etc. People might think I was horrible for that, but I really needed time to process what had happened and I just didn’t have anymore to give by evening. Also, I told my H he better get used to working with his children because if our marriage didn’t work out, then he’d be doing the “evening” work on days and weekends when he had the kids anyway. So he needed to learn. I told him it also would help him rebuild and repair the damage he’d done to his relationship with his kids (neglecting family in pursuit of someone else).

I don’t know if I’d recommend that you even speak to your priest. I don’t know what type of Catholics are in your area. My area is pro-contraception, so when I went to my priest for advice, I got chastised for the number of children I had and he told me to go on the pill. If your priest is supportive of marriage and natural child spacing within Church teachings, then it will likely be of comfort to confide in him. If you’re going to get harassed for having 4 kids or practicing NFP, spare yourself the additional pain.

I used Greg Popcak for my counselor. My H refused counseling. However, when choosing a counselor, you’ll want someone who is well grounded in the Faith. Also, you don’t want any marriage counselor, you’ll want one who specializes in infidelity. (Again, and preferably a Catholic who follows Church teaching.) I know Dr Popcak’s crew offers marriage counseling too. They also used to teleconference. You should check his site out.

Unfortunately, you’ll have to get tested for STD’s. Don’t take your husbands word on the time frame of the affair right now. This is all too soon. And since he wants to go to MC alone, it’s likely you don’t have the full truth. Protect yourself.

Another thing I would recommend, is that you consult an attorney about your rights, child support, child visitation etc. I’m not saying that this means you have to get divorced, but that you need to know what the court expects from you and your H. It’s going to take both of you to work at reconciling the marriage. If he refuses, you won’t want to be in a position of financial and legal weakness.

I can only share with you that I understand how much pain you are in. When I first found out and for a long time after, I felt like my life was a lie. We hear that NFP makes better marriages, has a low divorce rate, improves communication, etc and then some of us find ourselves dealing with a horrific betrayal. It just hurts more. Even for married couples that contracept, an affair is horrific. But I think that with couples who practice NFP, an affair intensifies the betrayal.

Know this my sister in Christ, you are being carried by our Lord right now. Through all of the loneliness, despair, anger, hurt, betrayal, confusion…He is holding you close and keeping you in His Sacred Heart.

You can get through this. Step by step. I’m keeping you, your husband and your children in my prayers. May Mama Mary wrap you in her protective mantle.

((((((AgathaLucy))))))
 
Oops, about the “he’s more than just a paycheck”…that doesn’t sound right…I’m not trying to imply that’s how you or your husband view his work.

I was just trying to convey that you’ve been doing most, if not all of the workload with the children. He has to get back to being involved as a dad. It’s not right that he “work” so much and exclude his children from his life. At the very least, he has duties toward his children as a father. His relationship with you doesn’t null and void his fatherly responsibilities and interaction with them.
 
Wow! The relplies to your post are kinda frightening. (Especially to a potentail convert.)

I’m amazed the Church gets so involved in your bedroom.

I am in a similar situation as yours, but I am the husband. I am not Catholic, but my wife is. Major diff. I see between your husband and I is that I don’t go out and get drunk and stuff (which is obviously a concern as that behavior might suggest other behaviors).

Last night, I was just expressing my concern to my wife about this postition of the Church. A wife “releaving” her husband because she is incapable or tired is a sin? You feel guilt for that? That seems very sad to me. Also, it seems to me the Church is negatively affecting your merriage. (Sorry Catholics! - I’m not yet Catholic) Your husband’s request is not bad…men should go to their wives to help with fleshly desires, right?

Yes, if you take this position with him, I think he will resent you, your religion, your God, and will otherwise create a wedge in your merriage. You risk all this, all because the Church says the marital act must be done in such a way as to promote birth(and even if the birth is not possible!).

I do not cheat on my wife, drink, etc. but I would feel similarily baffled and resentful if she were to take your position (not resentful against God but the C. Church).

Of course, like I said, I’m not Catholic.
 
Potential convert, God’s moral laws apply to every human being, not just Catholics. Masturbation is a sin for everyone.
 
Your husband’s request is not bad…men should go to their wives to help with fleshly desires, right?
Um, no…not in this way…you are using her for your own selfish pleasures and this is lust, not love.

Instead, go to your wife wanting to give yourself as a full and complete gift, not as someone to help relieve you.

A couple of books that will help you understand Catholic teaching:

Theology of the body for beginners and Good news about sex and marriage by Christopher West.

These teachings lead us to freedom, not restriction
 
Wow! The relplies to your post are kinda frightening. (Especially to a potentail convert.)

I’m amazed the Church gets so involved in your bedroom.

I am in a similar situation as yours, but I am the husband. I am not Catholic, but my wife is. Major diff. I see between your husband and I is that I don’t go out and get drunk and stuff (which is obviously a concern as that behavior might suggest other behaviors).

Last night, I was just expressing my concern to my wife about this postition of the Church. A wife “releaving” her husband because she is incapable or tired is a sin? You feel guilt for that? That seems very sad to me. Also, it seems to me the Church is negatively affecting your merriage. (Sorry Catholics! - I’m not yet Catholic) Your husband’s request is not bad…men should go to their wives to help with fleshly desires, right?

Yes, if you take this position with him, I think he will resent you, your religion, your God, and will otherwise create a wedge in your merriage. You risk all this, all because the Church says the marital act must be done in such a way as to promote birth(and even if the birth is not possible!).

I do not cheat on my wife, drink, etc. but I would feel similarily baffled and resentful if she were to take your position (not resentful against God but the C. Church).

Of course, like I said, I’m not Catholic.
As a non Catholic you probably don’t understand Sacraments and how they work. Marriage is a Sacrament for us. What happens in the bedroom is part of the sacrament. Which means it is a holy action designed to be a reflection of God’s action.Husband’s and wives are gifts to each other. We don’t use each other for “relief” and damage the dignity of the other person. A husband is Christ to his wife- remember Christ? He’s that guy who sacrificed all his needs and desires to die on the cross for us.

You are going to have to do some homework to get up to speed.

Theology of the Body- either right from the Pope’s writings or get one of the studies.
Christopher West- Good News about Sex and Marriage and other works
Greg Popcak- Holy Sex… For Better , Forever
The Catechism
Marriage The Rock by William May
Three to Get Married by Fulton Sheen
 
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