This is th epriest I am talking of, I mentioned this event with a priest here. He caused much damage to the youth he had contact with. It matters what is said in the confessional and in any guidance given. If we teach lies then lies do real damage. This is what happened here in this case.
You wanted to know why people do not call it a hetero problem the same as it is called a homosexual problem; this is my response. Fits in my opinion, and no I am not saying it is not sick to sexually abuse a child. I am a victim of molestation as a child, so don’t even go there.
It equates them in perversion; both acts are perversions/deviations of sexuality as designed by God. One man and one woman, the two become one flesh. Thats not perverted.
I brought it up because it happened in my diocese. Bishop told teh priest NOT TO SEND the letter, he did anyway and was immediately removed from service. He has had his faculties removed ever since and will remain suspended.
Well finally you make sense. Your opinion, not fact dictates that position. Its shameful and wrong to equate child molestation with any sexual orientation regardless of your personal opinion towards homosexuals.You wanted to know why people do not call it a hetero problem the same as it is called a homosexual problem; this is my response. Fits in my opinion, and no I am not saying it is not sick to sexually abuse a child. I am a victim of molestation as a child, so don’t even go there.
And yes, I stand inside of the Church’s teaching and you are standing on the outside. Yes we agree…
What is my opinion of homosexuals? I have given Church teachings about homosexual acts, not people but their actions. How is that equating in your mind as my “personal opinion towards homosexuals”? You have no idea of my ties to and feelings towards people who suffer from SSA.
Well in fairness it does become hate, when what is being said is used to cause harm amongst the gay community.
Expressing the teachings of the Church is “hate”? True hate is affirming the actions of the homosexual community as “OK”. True love is telling them they need to repent and sin no more.
What is the “conflict” of Church teaching on homosexuality?
The negative impact is the result of the priest’s actions I mention earlier, affirming someone in untruth is hateful and mean. It is selfish and not driven by the Spirit of God, it is driven by God’s enemy.
My job is to have a negative impact on sin, mine and yours. It is not to affirm someone in their sin. Jesus told the woman caught in adultary her sins were forgiven; then there was more, “Go and sin no more!” He did not leave her in the pigpen of sin, He lifted her out of it.
In our parish, yes. Just recently a religous ed teacher was removed for getting married outside the Church without dispensation. It wasn’t even a second “marriage”. Heck, we don’t even let parishioners living in irregular “marriages” or living together without marriage be Confirmation sponsors, let alone teach or hold positions of responsibility in the parish.
If the Bishop told him not to do it and he did it anyway, it can’t be anything but disobedience. If the Bishop had only suggested he not send the letter then the Bishops decision to remove the priest would not have been upheld. Priests, especially pastors, have rights and can appeal such decisions if they are not valid.
A priest can’t disobey just because he thinks a Bishop might be wrong. However, a priest does not have to obey his Bishop if the Bishop is telling him to do something sinful. In this case, the Bishop’s instruction was not at all sinful.
We’re talking past each other, so this conversation is no longer productive. You are reading into what I wrote and starting to be a bit uncharitable. As I am used to seeing where this road will takes me, I am going to withdraw from posting. Good luck and God bless.
This is consistent with a policy that also does not look the other way in situations like Mr. Coppola’s. If some serious violations against marriage or Holy Orders (such as getting a box-top “ordination” in order to perform a civil marriage outside the Church) were ignored while others were penalized, that would be cause for complaint.
Agreed. What pains faithful and observant Catholics is the failure, up to this point, of both clergy and laity to observe the rules and norms of the Church. Beginning with the abuses engendered by VII, up to the so-called “priest scandals” of the present, the Church seems to have been in a downward spiral. Not only does “Cafeteria Catholicism” prevail, but disobedience by clergy and Bishops cause grave scandal to the faithful. An example: Where are all the Catholic children? One or two per family, maybe. Why is it that when my seven and their children fill the pews, every one marvels? Why is it that when we announce NFP classes we are met with empty classrooms? Somebody is practicing contraception eh? Why is it that the rate of abortion and divorce among Catholics equal and exceed that of Protestants? Why is it that 54% of Catholics voted for Godless Obama? Why is it that when a solid Archbishop takes the reins in San Francisco, the homosexual “community” panics?
Good luck to you as well and God bless, and I apologize that you feel I was being uncharitable, that was never my intention.
The difference between this example and that of Mr. Coppola or a couple who marries outside the Church is that you can’t tell who is not attending your NFP course because they are using contraception and who is not attending your NFP classes because they are trying to get pregnant and can’t (because they will not use “reproductive technologies” offered by their doctors) or because for some reason they rarely have sex in the first place. (The latest numbers for all marriages in the US was that 15-20% of couples engage in intercourse 10 times or less per year.) You can also not tell when one spouse is using contraception against the wishes of the other spouse. You can’t know who was able to have children only because of their willingness to use morally-repugnant technologies to get pregnant or who conceived because they were engaging in adultery, and so on. Fertility does not equal fidelity.
It is one thing to realize that you cannot but “look the other way” when it comes to reports that a parishioner in a leadership position may be engaging in serious sin, because when the sin is private, investigation of such rumors makes the pastor into a police officer. A parishioner who says that he is homosexual, who has a friend with him all the time who is homosexual, but who pointedly never comes out and connects the dots might create a scandal, true, and some pastors might decide that is enough evidence to judge that the party is guilty of creating grave scandal, at least, but then the pastor is put into the almost impossible position of guessing whether every unmarried heterosexual couple with positions in his youth group who are constantly making moon eyes at each other are staying pure, too. Can he investigate the woman whose newborn looks nothing like either her or her husband? Even if he could convict them in court of wrongdoing, could he be sure they had never repented, only to fall again? Where does it stop?
Amen.