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[qui_est_ce]

Yeah, that’s a really disturbing sentiment being displayed here by those blaming the poor for their poverty.

No it’s what you’re saying here. They can’t help themselves and therefore we have generations of families on public assistance.

Do you know the best way to avoid poverty in the U.S.? Finish school. Keep your job. Wait until you are married to have children.

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[Ridgerunner]

Go into any Catholic Church and ask any Catholic priest if most of the poor are poor by their own choice. I dare you.

I don’t think anybody would say that anyone other than members of religious orders are poor by choice. That’s not the real question. The question is whether their choices are what make them poor. Those are very different things.

 

[Theo520]

No he isn’t.

YES HE IS,
He’s doing a silent protest at/during the National Anthem.

The National Anthem has zero, zilch, nada to do with local Police training and oversight.
He would need to go to a city council meeting, if he really wanted to protest the Police.

 

[Inisfallen]

Actually raising a child isn’t expensive at all.

?? I’ve got two.

It ain’t cheap. Believe me.

 

[Inisfallen]

Not to mention the government has been giving poor people everything for decades.

Giving poor people everything? The claim is laughable on its face.

So we know it definitely isn’t lack of resources or education that is the problem.

I don’t know where you live, but where I live, high-quality education is simply not available to the vast majority of poor people.

 

[Theo520]

?? I’ve got two.

It ain’t cheap. Believe me.

All depends on how you do it.

Do you visit GoodWill for clothes or buy designer brands (extremes, I know).
Do you pay for skiing in Aspen with their friends, or go sledding at the local hill.

 

[dvdjs]

I was at a seminar about a year ago, and one of the speakers asserted that the average period of time it takes for a person to spend up an inheritance is 18 months. If so, it’s not unreasonable to believe most people spend everything they get.

Did the speaker also tell you what the average size inheritances are?

 

[Inisfallen]

Do you visit GoodWill for clothes

Not quite Goodwill, but there’s a consignment store where people recycle children’s clothes (and furniture, and toys, etc.). We go there a lot. My two girls each have one nice dress for special occasions. Pretty much everything else comes from the consignment store, or from Cookie’s, the local cheap children’s department store. On Fulton Street, in Brooklyn. New Yorkers will be able to put that in context and get an idea of what the cost of clothing is there.

buy designer brands

Never.

Do you pay for skiing in Aspen with their friends

Never

go sledding at the local hill.

Every winter!

 

[qui_est_ce]

Inisfallen:

?? I’ve got two.

It ain’t cheap. Believe me.

All depends on how you do it.

Do you visit GoodWill for clothes or buy designer brands (extremes, I know).
Do you pay for skiing in Aspen with their friends, or go sledding at the local hill.

Not extreme at all. My kids are grown and they still visit second hand shops.

 

[Ridgerunner]

If he did, I don’t recall.

 

[exnihilo]

The desire to have good sports shoes with some style is a baser instinct. Now if they were selling pornography, that would be exploiting a baser instinct. But selling shoes? No way.

So these riots, assaults and murders that occur over Nike products are because people just need a good shoe?

Go into any Catholic Church and ask any Catholic priest if most of the poor are poor by their own choice. I dare you.

How about this. Jesus said the poor you will always have with you. I see many religious people say they want to end poverty. I’ll stick with Jesus on this.

Giving poor people everything? The claim is laughable on its face.

Housing, food, education, power, water, cell phones, cable TV. I guess you are right. That isn’t everything.

I don’t know where you live, but where I live, high-quality education is simply not available to the vast majority of poor people.

So government schools aren’t giving kids a decent education? I’m shocked. Shocked I tell you.

 

[Kmcicco2000]

Not sure what you mean??

 

[John24]

No it’s what you’re saying here. They can’t help themselves and therefore we have generations of families on public assistance.

That doesn’t imply poor people are stupid as you stated. That’s an acknowledgement of reality. Economic mobility is decreasing. It literally doesn’t matter what choices someone makes, as already stated by far the most accurate indicator of a person’s wealth is the wealth of their parents. A lucky few make their way up the economic ladder, a bigger number makes their way down, and most stay on or adjacent to the rung they were born onto.

YES HE IS

So what has he proposed replacing The Star-Spangled Banner with?

?? I’ve got two.

It ain’t cheap. Believe me.

lol yeah I just moved on from that post

How about this. Jesus said the poor you will always have with you. I see many religious people say they want to end poverty. I’ll stick with Jesus on this.

Wow.

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

Go into any Catholic Church and ask any Catholic priest if most of the poor are poor by their own choice. I dare you.

I don’t think anybody would say that anyone other than members of religious orders are poor by choice. That’s not the real question. The question is whether their choices are what make them poor. Those are very different things.

The distinction between those two kinds of choices seems to be that the first one is knowingly making choices that you know will make you poor, versus making choices that, unknown to you, make you poor.

I challenge the notion that either of those kinds of choice are primarily what makes people poor. There are many factors, but a very big one is luck (or fate, if you will.) It is the height of arrogance for anyone who is rich to presume that everyone else could be rich like them, except for the fact that those who are poor have moral flaws that prevent them from being rich. That is nonsense.

To modify my challenge, I suggest that you ask any Catholic priest if everyone who is poor is poor because of either their choice or moral failings or character failings or anything that puts the blame on them.

 

[John24]

Why ask me?

You claimed he was protesting the anthem. I assumed you had some basis for that claim.

 

[Axsenex]

I don’t care as long as they fund UNC Tar Heels

 

[LeafByNiggle]

LeafByNiggle:

The desire to have good sports shoes with some style is a baser instinct. Now if they were selling pornography, that would be exploiting a baser instinct. But selling shoes? No way.

So these riots, assaults and murders that occur over Nike products are because people just need a good shoe?

That has nothing to do with “baser instincts.” People murder other people for all sorts of things. The provider of those things is not responsible for people’s envy. Otherwise anyone who produced a desirable product would be similarly liable.

Go into any Catholic Church and ask any Catholic priest if most of the poor are poor by their own choice. I dare you.

How about this. Jesus said the poor you will always have with you. I see many religious people say they want to end poverty. I’ll stick with Jesus on this.

Go talk to a priest. Seriously. This is an example of very poor catechesis.

 

[Theo520]

You claimed he was protesting the anthem. I assumed you had some basis for that claim.

Stop proof texting, I explained it in the next line, the one you omitted.

 

[John24]

The next line just claims he didn’t think it through (think what through?). Neither line supports your claim that he is protesting the anthem.

 

[qui_est_ce]

Theo520:

Why ask me?

You claimed he was protesting the anthem. I assumed you had some basis for that claim.

His actions. Which BTW do nothing to stop violence. That’s called virtue signalling.