Nine Reasons People Aren't Singing in Worship

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Well, yes, but that just asks the question of why people do not want to sing and the same reasons answer that question, as the two questions are the same question.
I thought I gave satisfactory spiritual reasons why Catholics generally don’t sing. Please forgive me for my lack of clarity.

Perhaps it isn’t mere passivity for the laity simply to silently pray during Mass. Not sure why we all have to be singing… 🙂
 
Today we remember St. Cecelia, a patroness of music, so I pray she intercedes for us.

Now, when I examine why I resist singing at Mass (and I often do), I see nothing virtuous. I see rebelliousness. I want the Mass to be shorter. I don’t feel we need that extra verse. I don’t like this particular song.

I also see what seems to be a kind of elitism. At daily Mass (no music), when the priest decides to sing some part of the Mass that prompts a sung response from us, I willingly participate. But on Sunday, when the song leader invites me to join in song, I become a little kid again: “You’re not the boss of me! I don’t have to do what you say!”

Ridiculous, when I think about it. So I make a conscious effort to sing, even when I don’t feel like it.
Thank you for your honesty. I’m sure that you’re not the only one who feels that way at Mass. We all have our quirks and faults to overcome and your honest insight is appreciated.

:blessyou:
 
Not necessarily aiming this at anyone, but…if a church has a great schola (choir), it’s hard for people to jump in. People feel self-conscious about assuming they know the subtleties of chant of the Latin hymnody.
However, as the vast amount of churches around here do not even consider allowing for this, it leaves a cantor or a basic choir to lead hymn singing. It would be sort of stubborn to refuse to join them in musical prayer.
For that’s what all singing in church is: musical prayer.
Granted some of the music choices are sometimes kind of wonky. But that’s a problem for the pastor, not the people in the pew to argue about. It’s kind of making a pronouncement on his choice of vestments.
I see Mass as an invitation to communal worship. A chance to receive the Eucharist personally, and yet, among my parish family.
Even people with limited abilities should at least try to sing. God doesn’t mind. 😃
People are sometimes spoiled by the great music available in some locales.
It’s certainly not the case everywhere. Be we have to support those who at least try, no?
For every person who hates a certain piece, there’s another one who loves it.
Someone mentioned “Eagles’ Wings”. Myself, pretty sick of it. Went out of fashion a couple of decades ago. But whenever I play a funeral, it’s the first thing grieving families ask for. It means something to them, so we do it. It doesn’t matter if I like it or not.
Peace, all.
 
blog.ncbaptist.org/renewingworship/2014/06/11/nine-reasons-people-arent-singing-in-worship/

This is a Baptist music leaders’ blog but has some really good points that echo sentiments often expressed here at CAF

In spite of the barely concealed anti-Catholic jab, does he have a point?
I agree that these are nine ways to set yourself up to fail, if the goal is to get the congregation to sing.
  1. Choose hymns; not “songs.” Appropriate hymns tell us that we’re at Church; not at a concert.
  2. Choose familiar hymns; the ones that people like to sing.
  3. Sing them in a key that works for the congregation. If you have mostly men, drop it down an octave.
  4. Jesus isn’t my boyfriend - especially not if I’m a middle aged man with six children. Make sure the lyrics are suitable to the parishioners and where they are at in their faith journey. (If it’s a Mass for a group of teenage girls, you can use the “Jesus is my boyfriend” songs, but otherwise, not.)
  5. I’m not God. Watch the lyrics and make sure people aren’t being asked to claim to be God - they won’t sing those hymns, because they just feel blasphemous.
  6. On that note, hymns with lyrics that affirm our Catholic identity go over quite well, even if they’re new.
  7. Use the headings in the hymn book that tell you which season of the year you’re in. If it’s Lent, don’t pick hymns from the section labeled “Pentecost” - not even if they’re fun and bouncy to sing. 😛
 
I agree that these are nine ways to set yourself up to fail, if the goal is to get the congregation to sing.
  1. Choose hymns; not “songs.” Appropriate hymns tell us that we’re at Church; not at a concert.
  2. Choose familiar hymns; the ones that people like to sing.
  3. Sing them in a key that works for the congregation. If you have mostly men, drop it down an octave.
  4. Jesus isn’t my boyfriend - especially not if I’m a middle aged man with six children. Make sure the lyrics are suitable to the parishioners and where they are at in their faith journey. (If it’s a Mass for a group of teenage girls, you can use the “Jesus is my boyfriend” songs, but otherwise, not.)
  5. I’m not God. Watch the lyrics and make sure people aren’t being asked to claim to be God - they won’t sing those hymns, because they just feel blasphemous.
  6. On that note, hymns with lyrics that affirm our Catholic identity go over quite well, even if they’re new.
  7. Use the headings in the hymn book that tell you which season of the year you’re in. If it’s Lent, don’t pick hymns from the section labeled “Pentecost” - not even if they’re fun and bouncy to sing. 😛
Yup. that’s one of my pet peeves: our previous Director used to sing Advent music at random times…like in the summer.
:eek:
 
Not necessarily aiming this at anyone, but…if a church has a great schola (choir), it’s hard for people to jump in.
We do not have enough talent to do much beyond basic melody, or enough people to intimidate parishioners with our talent. However, even when we occasionally sing different parts, I always hold back one verse for this very reason. I want the melody clear so no one is confused.

Which brings up a question: does anyone here ever sing parts other than the melody when sitting in the pews? I know I love doing so.
 
We do not have enough talent to do much beyond basic melody, or enough people to intimidate parishioners with our talent. However, even when we occasionally sing different parts, I always hold back one verse for this very reason. I want the melody clear so no one is confused.

Which brings up a question: does anyone here ever sing parts other than the melody when sitting in the pews? I know I love doing so.
Our adult choir takes a break in July and August and we generally do not sing on weekdays (other than Christmas and the Triduum) so I have an opportunity to sing alto when in the pews. We don’t have parts in the songbooks but if I know the part I might sing it. (In a few cases I have never actually learned the melody and so would have to see the notes to sing it!) I do pay attention to the people around me; if no one seems to be singing then I am more likely to sing melody in hopes of encouraging them to join in.
 
We do not have enough talent to do much beyond basic melody, or enough people to intimidate parishioners with our talent. However, even when we occasionally sing different parts, I always hold back one verse for this very reason. I want the melody clear so no one is confused.

Which brings up a question: does anyone here ever sing parts other than the melody when sitting in the pews? I know I love doing so.
I always sing alto. Mostly because I can’s sing as high as they play the hymns. With the advent of digital pianos and organs ( no pun intended 😉 ) I don’t know why accompanists and directors insist on keeping the hymns high. It doesn’t take much more than a half step or a whole step, and it makes a huge difference.
 
well, if there is no approving authority, i guess we’re all good then!😃 i had no idea there was this much controversy over singing to our Lord.
Regarding “approving authority”, well, steps were taken by the pope in I think the 16th century, after the Council of Trent, to make such an authority, but it never exactly took off. There were probably a handful of bishops or something that tried to carry out directives regarding music but for whatever reason, directives were never widely enforced. I believe a few popes in the 18th and 19th centuries tried to resurrect those directives and the “approving authority”, but didn’t really meet with much more success. The 18th century and especially the 19th century was when much secular music (which at the time was opera) was finding its way into “sacred” music repertoire, so getting this “secular music” out of churches was the reason those particular popes tried to enforce the directives which had been laid out in the 1500s/1600s.

I personally wish that such an “approving authority” had really taken root, because I think it would be a great help today in restoring true sacred music to the churches.
 
We do not have enough talent to do much beyond basic melody, or enough people to intimidate parishioners with our talent. However, even when we occasionally sing different parts, I always hold back one verse for this very reason. I want the melody clear so no one is confused.

Which brings up a question: does anyone here ever sing parts other than the melody when sitting in the pews? I know I love doing so.
As I mentioned above, “Daddy sang bass . . .”, at least on hymns that are familiar from my Protestant days, or on songs where I can distinguish a bass line.
 
As I mentioned above, “Daddy sang bass . . .”, at least on hymns that are familiar from my Protestant days, or on songs where I can distinguish a bass line.
Whenever the congregation sings Immaculate Mary, some, or a few of us in the pews (not me), always sings the harmony. Happens every time.

With other songs, I have no problem jumping between octaves to keep the tune in my comfort zone. It might sound odd in a solo, but in a group it seems to blend just fine.
 
Regarding “approving authority”, well, steps were taken by the pope in I think the 16th century, after the Council of Trent, to make such an authority, but it never exactly took off. There were probably a handful of bishops or something that tried to carry out directives regarding music but for whatever reason, directives were never widely enforced. I believe a few popes in the 18th and 19th centuries tried to resurrect those directives and the “approving authority”, but didn’t really meet with much more success. The 18th century and especially the 19th century was when much secular music (which at the time was opera) was finding its way into “sacred” music repertoire, so getting this “secular music” out of churches was the reason those particular popes tried to enforce the directives which had been laid out in the 1500s/1600s.

I personally wish that such an “approving authority” had really taken root, because I think it would be a great help today in restoring true sacred music to the churches.
FYI:
All the publishers of Mass setting get their settings approved by a Bishop.
Also, for example, the Spanish hymnal, Flor y Canto has an endorsement (approval) published by Archbishop Emeritus John G. Vlazny, previous Archbishop of Portland Oregon.
Publishers take care to get their materials approved.
 
As I mentioned above, “Daddy sang bass . . .”, at least on hymns that are familiar from my Protestant days, or on songs where I can distinguish a bass line.
Same here. I miss hymnals that have all four parts.
 
FYI:
All the publishers of Mass setting get their settings approved by a Bishop.
Also, for example, the Spanish hymnal, Flor y Canto has an endorsement (approval) published by Archbishop Emeritus John G. Vlazny, previous Archbishop of Portland Oregon.
Publishers take care to get their materials approved.
Oh, I am sure that publishers get approval from bishops. I think my main point I was trying to say, is that the group I talked about that previous popes tried to start consisted of Vatican appointed members, and basically, they were to keep a library of all true sacred music from which music directors could choose their music at their parish. They were to review anything under question, and had the authority to declare it either fit or not fit for use at Mass. I don’t mean disrespect for any bishop, and I know I have not read every single document that has been issued regarding sacred music (and there are loads and loads of legislation about it throughout the history of the Church), but what I DO know is that it seems much of the musical history in the Church’s tradition has been largely ignored. And I know I’m biased toward more “traditional music”, but I would definitely say the documents in the 20th century before Vatican II have been at best only partially observed, but otherwise just ignored. Like the ones by Pius X, Pius XI, and Pius XII. There has been a lot of legislation, even stuff before the 20th century, that I think even many bishops aren’t fully aware of.

I could go on and on with my thoughts about this, but I suppose this isn’t really the topic of the thread, although it is certainly in a way related. I just want to make a final observation regarding what is appropriate at Mass - i.e., what is true Sacred Music. That is this: just because a piece of music has “sacred” text does not mean that the piece of music is fit for Church. The music itself - that is, the style, form, etc. - must truly be Sacred as well. I think Pius X in “Tra le sollecitudini” in 1903 laid out quite clearly what the qualities of true sacred music are.
 
Gather comes in 4 parts.
Does it? I know we have expanded choir edition for our parish which uses Gather Comprehensive, but the regular hymnal has very few parts. Does GIA have a traditional four part hymnal as well?
 
Does it? I know we have expanded choir edition for our parish which uses Gather Comprehensive, but the regular hymnal has very few parts. Does GIA have a traditional four part hymnal as well?
I’m just guessing here, but I suspect that the four-part choir editions of hymnals are somewhat more expensive than the one-line versions, and therefore parished aren’t likely to be buying 300 copies of them to put in the pews.
 
sang my lungs out this morning! hope you weren’t in the pew in front of me.😃
 
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