Ninth Circuit Decision Supporting Board’s Resolution Against Catholics Promotes Policy of Gleichschaltung

[Kaninchen]

Those people are now making their dreams a reality.

Hence the Enabling Act, the end of habeas corpus, the arrest of thousands and thousands of socialists and communists, the banning of trades unions, the banning of the Republican Party, of course.

And what about the over 800,000 innocents that die every year just in America in the name of what the democratic party has become?

That’s been going on through several Republican administrations as well.

Yes; and I am talking about the great advantage of repeating anything whether it be truth or lie and whether or not you think it be truth or lie. As someone who studies languages and have been the victim of more modern methods before finally figuring it out myself, I can vouch for the usefulness of repetition first-hand. Repetition is a useful but double edged sword - if the wrong act is repeated it could be catastrophic; it is for this reason that we must not allow the lies and downplaying of truth to pervade our society and we must repeat the truth as faithful beacons, casting light on the shadows and leading to safety those on the stormy seas.

Pax.

When I’ve learned languages (my world as a child had three of them), I’ve always been fascinated by grammar/syntax and the fact that to say anything meaningful one really did have to follow the rules.

History’s like that too - one may know the words but, unless one appreciates the structure of what went on, it’s virtually impossible to say anything meaningful. I’m not an American, I don’t give the nether regions of a member of the species rattus rattus about Obama - I’m a European, however, and I do give a damn about the history of Europe.

 

[JSSebastianoP]

Hence the Enabling Act,

Well, not quite yet but we’ll see…

the end of habeas corpus,

What about all the children in the mothers wombs being detained in abortion clinics?

the arrest of thousands and thousands of socialists and communists,

Not the socialists (because they have power) or the communists, but anyone who dissents politically, yes. I.e. “Pro-lifers may be dangerous”.

the banning of trades unions,

Only because they helped “our dear leader” get where he is…

the banning of the Republican Party, of course.

Not de jure but almost de facto. If it actually did happen, there would be another civil war, but mainstream media and the congress are trying to wipe out the Republican party.

That’s been going on through several Republican administrations as well.

But the Republicans (for the most part) tried to stop it or at least not let it spread. Thanks to Bush, we have Alito on the Supreme Court. That’s a step in the right direction (Republican-led). Now, the Republicans are not perfect but they are much better than the dems.

When I’ve learned languages (my world as a child had three of them), I’ve always been fascinated by grammar/syntax and the fact that to say anything meaningful one really did have to follow the rules.

It’s true - I’ve had my fair share myself. One does have to follow the rules - and believe me I am a big fan of that (just ask my teachers…). However words also have what one could call ‘shades of meaning’ or ‘connotation’. It is why, after being able to form a sentence, the words that have these are the most important to be able to use and understand. To go back to our example, while “kulturkampf” is a more accurate term for the physical reality of the event, “gleichschaltung” gets accross the emotional reality of the speaker.

History’s like that too - one may know the words but, unless one appreciates the structure of what went on, it’s virtually impossible to say anything meaningful. I’m not an American, I don’t give the nether regions of a member of the species rattus rattus about Obama - I’m a European, however, and I do give a damn about the history of Europe.

Being of European descent, I, too care about the history of Europe. However, different events have different connotations to different people. Many of the northern Italians view the ‘risorgimento’ as a liberation of the south from the Bourbons while southerners view it as an outright invation of a peaceful fatherland. Or, say, does Dalmatia rightfully belong to Italy? Or Italy to France? France to Germany? History teaches us what to do and what not to do. We should learn from it. So should Obama… Obama should see what happened to Hitler and try not to become it. The comparison is not uncalled for, especially when Bush-Hitler comparisons have been shoved down our throats for the last six years.

Pax.

 

[Kaninchen]

Well, not quite yet but we’ll see…

Or we won’t.

What about all the children in the mothers wombs being detained in abortion clinics?

What about all the children . . . . through the Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter and Ford administrations?

Not the socialists (because they have power) or the communists, but anyone who dissents politically, yes. I.e. “Pro-lifers may be dangerous”.

They only have power on the American Conservative definition of ‘socialist’ (ie “people we don’t agree with and, since the red scare era, socialist is a useful insult”), not on any definition of socialist that anybody who has lived in a socialist society might recognize.

Not de jure but almost de facto.

Please explain.

If it actually did happen, there would be another civil war, but mainstream media and the congress are trying to wipe out the Republican party.

I’m sorry but I’m having a hard time taking this part seriously.

But the Republicans (for the most part) tried to stop it or at least not let it spread. Thanks to Bush, we have Alito on the Supreme Court. That’s a step in the right direction (Republican-led). Now, the Republicans are not perfect but they are much better than the dems.

They certainly did a good job of stringing people along.

It’s true - I’ve had my fair share myself. One does have to follow the rules - and believe me I am a big fan of that (just ask my teachers…). However words also have what one could call ‘shades of meaning’ or ‘connotation’. It is why, after being able to form a sentence, the words that have these are the most important to be able to use and understand.

One should be careful about the use of words with ‘shades of meaning’ until one has some fluency in any language and an awareness of cultural nuances, otherwise one can appear to be very foolish.

To go back to our example, while “kulturkampf” is a more accurate term for the physical reality of the event, “gleichschaltung” gets accross the emotional reality of the speaker.

But not, to people who actually know the ‘language’, any other impression than that the ‘speaker’ hasn’t the vaguest idea of what he’s talking about.

Being of European descent, I, too care about the history of Europe. However, different events have different connotations to different people. Many of the northern Italians view the ‘risorgimento’ as a liberation of the south from the Bourbons while southerners view it as an outright invation of a peaceful fatherland.

So a couple of Italian-American revisionist websites would have us believe. Rather forgetting the various popular revolts . . .

Or, say, does Dalmatia rightfully belong to Italy? Or Italy to France? France to Germany? History teaches us what to do and what not to do. We should learn from it. So should Obama… Obama should see what happened to Hitler and try not to become it. The comparison is not uncalled for, especially when Bush-Hitler comparisons have been shoved down our throats for the last six years.

Pax.

I’m an equal opportunities denouncer of ridiculous comparisons.

 

[JSSebastianoP]

Or we won’t.

Let’s wait and see…

What about all the children . . . . through the Bush II, Clinton, Bush I, Reagan, Carter and Ford administrations?

They died. Miserable horrible deaths all in the name of ‘progress’ - not unlike the Jews in the third reich…

They only have power on the American Conservative definition of ‘socialist’ (ie “people we don’t agree with and, since the red scare era, socialist is a useful insult”), not on any definition of socialist that anybody who has lived in a socialist society might recognize.

Some are not as far-reaching as others, but the ‘spread the wealth’ mentality is certainly socialist and with the increased power of the labor unions who elected Obama, economic socialism has made big progress in America. I have a teacher of Russian at my high school - she grew up in the USSR and clearly sees the turn we are taking. I’d take her word for it - she came here to escape it and now finds herself in the midst of it again.

Please explain.

I live in a very liberal area in southern New York. A place, for example, in which a school librarian can display a calendar of “a Bush gaffe a day” and not need to remove it… This midset is spreading rapidly among the masses that heil Obama and even those that don’t. This is one of those ‘power of repetition’ things; it has been drilled into moderate part of the populace by the mainstream media and now they think it’s fact…

I’m sorry but I’m having a hard time taking this part seriously.

Why?

They certainly did a good job of stringing people along.

I said they’re not perfect. In fact I don’t think democracy is perfect… But they are the best hope we’ve got of settling things peacefully.

One should be careful about the use of words with ‘shades of meaning’ until one has some fluency in any language and an awareness of cultural nuances, otherwise one can appear to be very foolish.

True. You wouldn’t want to be caught saying ‘erao’ to your Greek mother-in-law…

But not, to people who actually know the ‘language’, any other impression than that the ‘speaker’ hasn’t the vaguest idea of what he’s talking about.

But I think the author did understand the meanings these two words have and purposefully decieded on gleichschaltung to convey a stronger message.

So a couple of Italian-American revisionist websites would have us believe. Rather forgetting the various popular revolts . . .

So then, why does Gaeta stand in ruins? Because it was invaded.
“Sulle torre sacre di Gaeta, noi scriviam ancora la parola dignita’” Those of us who care not to forsake our own history anyway…

I’m an equal opportunities denouncer of ridiculous comparisons.

As you should be. But Hitler-Obama comparisons are not so far-fetch’d.

Pax.

 

[Kaninchen]

They died. Miserable horrible deaths all in the name of ‘progress’ - not unlike the Jews in the third reich…

Actually, quite unlike but that’s a different thread.

Some are not as far-reaching as others, but the ‘spread the wealth’ mentality is certainly socialist and with the increased power of the labor unions who elected Obama, economic socialism has made big progress in America. I have a teacher of Russian at my high school - she grew up in the USSR and clearly sees the turn we are taking. I’d take her word for it - she came here to escape it and now finds herself in the midst of it again.

Well, as somebody who, in her youth, was an anti-Socialist, anti-Communist activist in a world with real socialists and communists in it, I’d suggest that she’s naive.

Why?

I’m afflicted with a sense of proportion.

I said they’re not perfect. In fact I don’t think democracy is perfect… But they are the best hope we’ve got of settling things peacefully.

Didn’t do anything though, just a few headliners for the punters.

But I think the author did understand the meanings these two words have and purposefully decieded on gleichschaltung to convey a stronger message.

They’re two entirely different concepts, one isn’t stronger than the other - Kulturkampf would be an appropriate comparison, Gleichschaltung isn’t.

So then, why does Gaeta stand in ruins? Because it was invaded.
“Sulle torre sacre di Gaeta, noi scriviam ancora la parola dignita’” Those of us who care not to forsake our own history anyway…

Nth generation American ‘wherever-Americans’ always understand things better, we Europeans know that.

As you should be. But Hitler-Obama comparisons are not so far-fetch’d.

Pax.

Well, they both lived during the 20th Century, they both have vowels in their name, they both consumed oxygen . . .

 

[JSSebastianoP]

Actually, quite unlike but that’s a different thread.

No, quite like; they were/are both needlessly murdered un the name of progress.

Well, as somebody who, in her youth, was an anti-Socialist, anti-Communist activist in a world with real socialists and communists in it, I’d suggest that she’s naive.

I would suggest she’s not; she very well knew the dangers of real socialism. Do you propose the USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) was not socialist?

I’m afflicted with a sense of proportion.

Or disproportion…

Didn’t do anything though, just a few headliners for the punters.

Mathematically, and in common sense, “0” has a greater value than “-|n|; n>0” …

They’re two entirely different concepts, one isn’t stronger than the other - Kulturkampf would be an appropriate comparison, Gleichschaltung isn’t.

But the silencing of any opposing opinion, like the Church in this case or the Jews in WWII is gleichschaltung, which by definition implies a sort of kulturkampf. So, no, they are not entirely different.

Nth generation American ‘wherever-Americans’ always understand things better, we Europeans know that.

No, the Europeans have just been too eager to give up their cultural origins. The French have lost their dignity to socialism. To paraphrase something many Catholics would find familiar, “Russia has spread her error through the world”. Americans on the other hand, are only facing that crisis now rather than having suddenly converted to socialism in the 60’s and 70’s (like Italy, my beloved fatherland which has fallen to the scum of bolshevik ideals that don’t work).

Well, they both lived during the 20th Century, they both have vowels in their name, they both consumed oxygen . . .

And are both socialists who want to silence political dissent.

Pax.

 

[Kaninchen]

No, quite like; they were/are both needlessly murdered un the name of progress.

Different thread, as I said. Although, since it would be a ‘Oh yes it is/Oh no it isn’t’ discussion, it would be a complete waste of time.

I would suggest she’s not; she very well knew the dangers of real socialism. Do you propose the USSR (Union of Soviet Socialist Republics) was not socialist?

Technically? No, it wasn’t - rhetorically perhaps but it was too degenerate to pass for much more than completely degenerate, perhaps the ultimate example of the means justifying the end - but that’s another matter altogether. No, I was suggesting that she was naive.

Or disproportion…

Obviously, since our positions are totally antithetical, we both think that of one another.

Mathematically, and in common sense, “0” has a greater value than “-|n|; n>0” …

It was not a static, one-off situation, however. It’s never been in the Party’s interest to greatly reduce abortions, just to maintain an illusion that doing so is some kind of priority for it. Unlike most countries, for example, the US has never had serious ‘term limits’ - it’s never been in anybody’s political interest to achieve them - so saving a handful stood in for saving considerably more.

But the silencing of any opposing opinion, like the Church in this case or the Jews in WWII is gleichschaltung, which by definition implies a sort of kulturkampf. So, no, they are not entirely different.

Gleichschaltung was considerably more than that but this is a completely pointless conversation.

No, the Europeans have just been too eager to give up their cultural origins. The French have lost their dignity to socialism. To paraphrase something many Catholics would find familiar, “Russia has spread her error through the world”. Americans on the other hand, are only facing that crisis now rather than having suddenly converted to socialism in the 60’s and 70’s (like Italy, my beloved fatherland which has fallen to the scum of bolshevik ideals that don’t work).

It’s an alternative universe out there.

I think the conversation is at an end, don’t you? We should congratulate ourselves on keeping a civil tone.

 

[Dale_M]

I think the conversation is at an end, don’t you? We should congratulate ourselves on keeping a civil tone.

You two do seem to be going round and round. And I agree that you both have done well at keeping the discussion civil and charitable.

 

[Tezza]

You two do seem to be going round and round. And I agree that you both have done well at keeping the discussion civil and charitable.

Amen!

 

[JSSebastianoP]

I think the conversation is at an end, don’t you? We should congratulate ourselves on keeping a civil tone.

Yes. By now we’d keep going around in endless circles - it’s never very fun…

To us all, then!

Pax.

 

[Cinette]

I would like to recommend a book “The Icon of Evil” by David G Dalin and John F Rothmann. I have seen an interview with one of the authors who is a Rabbi and I have read several chapters. The book is thoroughly researched - a 14 page blilography. I believe what the authors are writing about and I think we should take a serious look at the book - all of us who seek truth that is.

Cinette

 

[dannyblaze]

I think the best thing that can be done in these days of blatant evil in our cities is do what Jesus commanded the apostles:

“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words: going forth out of that house or city shake off the dust from your feet. Amen I say to you, it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.” (Mat 10:14-15 DRB)

I believe when the Church starts to do what Christ commanded it, you will see the hand of God move in a way that will make it clear that it is time to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand.

We have become a complacent and apathetic Church and we need to stop play church and start being the church. We tend to go to the Judges of this world (something St. Paul rebuked the Corinthian Church for doing) and not go directly to God through prayer and practice. Do we think that the world cares what the Church thinks? Of course not. Know that that world hates you because it hated me first, Jesus said. To be a friend of the world IS to be the ENEMY of God. What does that mean? It mean STOP playing with the world and doing things by its standards and LIFT UP the standard of God!

Am I preaching? You bet because it seems that we are so concerned about our “rights” and we are so caught up in the world’s politics that we have forgotten the that we are in this world but not of it. Jesus said to Pilot:

“Jesus answered: My kingdom is not of this world. If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would certainly strive that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now my kingdom is not from hence.” (Joh 18:36) DRB

Jesus made it very clear that His Kingdom is not of this world; for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal (court rooms, lawyers or even crusades) but are might through God to the pulling down imaginations and every high thing that dares to exalt its self against the knowledge of God.

Could you imagine if the Church actually decided to follow Christ’s commandments and leave that city, dust off our feet and move on to the next? Do we really think that God would not deal with that city? Jesus said that it would be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that city.

God hates the death of the wicked but God is Holy and we are to be a Holy people who’s standard is far above this world. It is time to really understand that we are in a spiritual warfare and become the mighty army of God through prayer, fasting, living holy and righteous lives before all and you will see that God will get the glory.

Of course this most likely won’t happen, I mean after all the church has too much money invested in property and programs. But you are going to hear more voices crying out the call to the faithful to repent and go back to your first works. Laws will not change hearts, didn’t the Blessed Apostle Paul make a statement to that affect?

Change comes from the heart and we need to first change our own hearts and then live the lives that Christ our King commands us to live. Going to church does not make one a Follower of Christ any more than entering a garage makes one a car. You show me your faith without works and I will show you my faith by my works, for faith without works is dead being alone.

Remember this one thing from Sacred Scripture:

Dearly beloved, think not strange the burning heat which is to try you: as if some new thing happened to you. But if you partake of the sufferings of Christ, rejoice that, when his glory shall be revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. If you be reproached for the name of Christ, you shall be blessed: for that which is of the honour, glory and power of God, and that which is his Spirit resteth upon you. But let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or a railer or coveter of other men’s things. But, if as a Christian, let him not be ashamed: but let him glorify God in that name. For the time is, that judgment should begin at the house of God. And if at first at us, what shall be the end of them that believe not the gospel of God? And if the just man shall scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? Wherefore let them also that suffer according to the will of God commend their souls in good deeds to the faithful Creator.
(1Pe 4:12-19)