NJ archbishop sets rules for barring Catholics from Communion

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zz912 said:
You don’t care what the political parties stand for and promote? Do you think this is an acceptable position for a Catholic to take?

It almost seems like we are witnessing three of the five stages of grief in this thread: denial, anger, and bargaining.
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From the USCCB voters guide:
Our focus is not on party affiliation, ideology, economics, or even competence and capacity to perform duties, as important as such issues are
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We recognize that addressing this complex issue effectively will require collaborative efforts between the public and private sectors and across party lines.
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the importance of political participation and insists that public service is a worthy vocation. As Catholics, we should be guided more by our moral convictions than by our attachment to a political party or interest group. When necessary, our participation should help transform the party to which we belong; we should not let the party transform us in such a way that we neglect or deny fundamental moral truths.
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zz912 said:
You don’t care what the political parties stand for and promote? Do you think this is an acceptable position for a Catholic to take?

It almost seems like we are witnessing three of the five stages of grief in this thread: denial, anger, and bargaining.
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Did I say I didn’t care about what political parties stand for or that I would not vote in an election? I would take the platform of either major party with a grain of salt. With respect to Catholic teaching and faith, I see the GOP platform as partisan politics and therefore irrelevant. With all due respect, you are making quite a few assumptions and replying with what appear as lectures.
 
zz912 said:
I am.

This is a ridiculous assertion.

This is just a bunch of mental gymnastics…
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It is not ridiculous to understand that the phrase “Republican Party” can refer to the people and not the platform. Yes, I use mental gymnastics, as in, I do think. Not all consider thinking a useless waste.
 
zz912 said:
I fail to see in the voter guide where willful ignorance of a party platform is acceptable. Could you point it out for me?
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It is not there. In fact, party affiliation or the platform of that affiliation is not addressed as a criteria in voting. Therefore, knowledge of the party platform is not addressed, whether we wish to be ignorant of it, or give it more importance that we do our bishops.

If you note this thread topic, you will also see that the Archbishop Myers also did not consider party affiliation, platform or mascot as any matter of substance in dealing with communion.
 
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From the USCCB voters guide:
usccb.org/issues-and-action/faithful-citizenship/forming-consciences-for-faithful-citizenship-part-three.cfm
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“Forming Consciences…” is one of the most disappointing and inadequate documents to come from the USCCB, and that’s saying something. I can find statements in it to support whatever positions I choose to take. It is not so much a guide as it is a source book of rationalizations. In that regard it is very much in line with the bishops’ responses to the enforcement of Canon 915. Some (few) do, most don’t, and all can provide justification for whatever position they take.

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“Forming Consciences…” is one of the most disappointing and inadequate documents to come from the USCCB, and that’s saying something. I can find statements in it to support whatever positions I choose to take. It is not so much a guide as it is a source book of rationalizations. In that regard it is very much in line with the bishops’ responses to the enforcement of Canon 915. Some (few) do, most don’t, and all can provide justification for whatever position they take.

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I agree the USCCB voting guild is not very helpful other than the last sentence of its first paragraph which states that “we focus on what protects or threatens human life and dignity”

Can. 915 of the 1983 code of Canon Law states the following: “Those who have been excommunicated or interdicted after the imposition or declaration of the penalty and others persisting in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to holy communion” (emphasis added).

With respect to divorced and remarried Catholics who have not obtained an annullment and who are not committing adultery, it is not possible that they could be in manifest grave sin by reason of adultery when in fact they are not persisting in manifest grave sin for that reason (a reason that does not exist).
 
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