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If North Korea can develop a substantial nuclear arsenal that can be delivered by ICBMs, then it puts itself in a very strong position militarily. If North Korea had the capacity to wipe out several American cities, would the USA intervene should North Korea decide to invade South Korea?

Or is this about trade with China? President Trump talks about a trade war with China and then North Korea start launching missiles amd testing a hydrogen bomb. The only nation with the ability to pressure North Korea is China, giving China huge leverage.
 
WilliamE said:
If missiles start flying, all the arguing about Russian collusion in the election, transgendered military members, baking cakes for gay weddings, and Melania’s spiked heels are going to seem pretty insignificant.
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Not to CNN & MSNBC 😃
 
The two options presently on the table for China are:
  • More sanctions (cripple the NK clothing industry)… Because sanctions have worked over the past 20 years, right? :confused: All that does is further entrench the NK people in poverty. Kim Jong Un will tell them “It’s the American’s fault you’re in such poverty!” Public support for Kim Jong Un is further entrenched domestically, Kim family BS lives on and we get more sabre rattling
  • China turns off the oil. Does NK have a significant stockpile? If not, their nation grinds to a halt. If they do, will Kim turn on his former ally or on someone else to show how powerful they are?
    Assuming NK grinds to a halt - who deals with millions of brain-washed, starving, uneducated and effectively useless refugees?
A third way would be to have some nation or another quietly go in and “deal with” Kim Jong Un and the Government. Start rebuilding the economy while pretending the “Great Leader” is alive and well. Question is, which country should be allowed? I suppose SK would be the best option.

Everyone knows what will happen if a war breaks out. NK will use their nuclear missiles on someone, and presumably use their huge amounts of conventional artillery on the border to flatten Seoul. If China threatens the ever-important supply of oil… Will Kimmy suddenly point his missiles at the Chinese - if so, they’re in a prickly situation with the rest of the West.

We seem to have limited options. I’ll bet invasion 20 years ago looks a lot better now than it might’ve then.

Keep praying, everyone. For the enlightenment and guidance of our world leaders, and the protection of innocent people.
 
I believe it was confirmed they did test an H bomb in NK, I saw something about the 6.3 quake recording in the area, and they say that was consistent with an H bomb being detonated, although Im not sure how they can tell the difference between a normal quake and testing of a bomb?

I will say though, if NK has a hydrogen bomb, that is pretty scary. They would not need to be that accurate to cause major destruction.
 
WilliamE said:
If missiles start flying, all the arguing about Russian collusion in the election, transgendered military members, baking cakes for gay weddings, and Melania’s spiked heels are going to seem pretty insignificant.
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Shows to go ya … what things are important to some people who are unable to prioritize their thoughts and actions.
 
mikekle said:
I believe it was confirmed they did test an H bomb in NK, I saw something about the 6.3 quake recording in the area, and they say that was consistent with an H bomb being detonated, although Im not sure how they can tell the difference between a normal quake and testing of a bomb?

I will say though, if NK has a hydrogen bomb, that is pretty scary. They would not need to be that accurate to cause major destruction.
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Check out the seismic shaking graphs.
 
mikekle said:
I believe it was confirmed they did test an H bomb in NK, I saw something about the 6.3 quake recording in the area, and they say that was consistent with an H bomb being detonated, although Im not sure how they can tell the difference between a normal quake and testing of a bomb?

I will say though, if NK has a hydrogen bomb, that is pretty scary. They would not need to be that accurate to cause major destruction.
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NK announced they blew up a H bomb.
 
Tis_Bearself said:
NK seems more interested in firing its stuff at Japan and the USA.
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With good reason. The US, Japan, and S Korea persist in staging “war games” whose object is the decapitation of the N Korean regime. The N Koreans have persistently asked that these exercises be stopped, to no avail.

Suppose the Iranians, or the Russians or the Chinese, or anyone strong enough and with the means to do it, staged “war games” in Mexico with the object of regime change in Washington. What would the reaction here be? I’ll just say what’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

My great fear is that we are being led by a Kaiser Wilhelm-type personality: someone with lots of bombast, who thinks in militaristic terms yet without military experience, and with no diplomatic sensibilities at all, who blundered his nation into the greatest catastrophe the world had yet known. We can only pray that we will escape such a repeat of history.
 
gnjsdad said:
My great fear is that we are being led by a Kaiser Wilhelm-type personality: someone with lots of bombast, who thinks in militaristic terms yet without military experience, and with no diplomatic sensibilities at all, who blundered his nation into the greatest catastrophe the world had yet known. We can only pray that we will escape such a repeat of history.
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I will join you in that prayer.
 
And China intervened with troops to fight on NK’s behalf at that time. When we ask what NK wants, it may be that they still want to win the Korean War. They want the U.S. off the Korean peninsula, an outcome that China would also like.

By obtaining nuclear weapons, North Korea makes it less likely that other nations will want to involve themselves in a war with them. Nobody wants to risk starting WW-III. A nuclear armed North Korea could continue to agitate for U.S. withdrawal from the peninsula. It is not unthinkable that U.S. public opinion could turn on this issue, demanding that the U.S. remove itself from a place where conflict can lead to nuclear war. The end game would see U.S. troops boarding ships to leave South Korea even as North Korean troops begin to march unopposed into the South, while South Koreans scramble frantically to escape on U.S. ships or get out any way the can. Would the Left celebrate such an outcome? Probably.
 
The US created a precedent when it dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They justified it by saying that it saved American lives and shortened the war and was in self defense, etc. By providing justification for the use of the atomic bomb, the US has given other countries the possibility of using similar excuses to develop and use these horrible weapons.
 
News media is discussing the probability of one being launched as a gift for the states on 9/11
 
The REAL precedent was we NEVER used it again!

What other sane countries should have taken away is that they are too dangerous to use.

Our error was setting up the concept of deterrence.
 
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AlNg said:
The US created a precedent when it dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They justified it by saying that it saved American lives and shortened the war and was in self defense, etc. By providing justification for the use of the atomic bomb, the US has given other countries the possibility of using similar excuses to develop and use these horrible weapons.
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I don’t want to go through the entire debate about Hiroshima and Nagasake, as we seem to do every year. But for those who are interested, Crisis Magazine recently carried essays which expressed both sides of the debate. Deacon James Toner’s essay is located at the following link, and contains a link to the other essay to which he is responding.

www.crisismagazine.com

Truman’s Decision Was the Best of the Bad Options Available

Editor’s note: The following essay by Deacon Toner is a response to Prof. John Paul Meenan’s critique of Deacon Jim Russell’s defense of President Truman’s decision to use atomic weapons against…
www.crisismagazine.com www.crisismagazine.com
 
po18guy said:
“State media says…” What, North Korea’s version of CNN?
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Considering the Republicans control the White House, both Houses of Congress, and likely have a Conservative majority on the Supreme Court within the next few years, wouldn’t that make Fox News the American version of Pravda? Heck, Fox even has the likes of Hannity have dinners with the Republican President, while CNN is openly condemned at White House press briefings.

CNN has its flaws, but that it acts as an organ of the United States government seems pretty daft.
 
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