No Compromises: Kansas State Bishops Declare Voting for Abortion Candidate is "Evil

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Personally, I don’t trust any politician to end abortion. There’s too much money involved in it and that’s the bottom line for all of them.
Having worked in the pro-life ministry I should would like to know where all that money made on the pro-life went. my experience is we have to beg for every penny we get. Abortion, OTH, is a billion dollar a year industry
 
Having worked in the pro-life ministry I should would like to know where all that money made on the pro-life went. my experience is we have to beg for every penny we get. Abortion, OTH, is a billion dollar a year industry
That’s exactly my point. Abortion is a billion dollar industry. No politician is going to be serious about messing with that.
 
That’s exactly my point. Abortion is a billion dollar industry. No politician is going to be serious about messing with that.
Yep. Performing abortions generates money in because people pay to have their child killed. The people standing across the street do not charge to pray the Rosary. So yes, there is a bit of an economic disparity.
 
Hi MaggieMay2u,
Oh my goodness, which candidate has promised to kill people? I Googled the phrase several different ways, and haven’t found it attributed to anyone. Please advise us all immediately of who said it and where it’s documented. We need to know!
You mentioned your post was rhetorical, but it still deserves and answer. The Pro-Abortion Presidential Candidate voted against the Born Alive Infant Protection Act several times. When NRLC brought this up, he said they were lying. Then NRLC produced the documentation on their website. This Act allows for Doctors of botched Late-Term abortions to place fully developed living babies in cold boxes to die cruel deaths of Thermal Exposure. These babies are people.

I find it very sad that Catholic.com prohibits anyone from even eluding to the Candidates, citing that they are a 501(c) non-profit organization. While all the Pro-Death sites 501(c) non-profit organization fire away at Pro-Life Candidates in the most exorbitant way.

prochoiceminnesota.org/getinvolved/alerts/200711091.shtml

NARAL Pro-Choice Minnesota–a grassroots 501(c) lobbying organization–is to develop and sustain a constituency that uses the political process to guarantee every woman the right to make personal decisions regarding the full range of reproductive choices, including preventing unintended pregnancy, bearing healthy children, and choosing legal abortion.

prochoiceminnesota.org/about/press/200807151.shtml

“(edited)’s straight-talk express seems to hit a speed bump when asked about his votes against family planning and birth control,” Keenan said. “Today’s news only underscores why we need to elect pro-choice Sen. (edited) as our next president. Sen. (edited) has a long record of votes against birth control, and Americans can only expect to see these attacks on women’s health to continue with (edited) in the White House.”

Sister Agnes Sasagawa:

“If men do not repent and better themselves the Father will inflict a terrible punishment on all humanity. It will be a punishment greater than the deluge, such as one will never have seen before. Fire will fall from the sky and will wipe out a great part of humanity, the good as well as the bad, sparing neither Priests nor faithful.” (October 13, 1973, Saturday – Full Roman Catholic Church Approval by Cardinal Ratzinger Himself, now Pope Benedict XVI)

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Why “sparing neither Priests nor faithful”? As John Haffert, the founder of the Blue Army put it: “Who’s fault is it? The good who do nothing.”

God Bless
 
Oh my goodness, which candidate has promised to kill people? I Googled the phrase several different ways, and haven’t found it attributed to anyone.

Please advise us all immediately of who said it and where it’s documented. We need to know!
We’re not allowed to talk about presidential candidates in here. 😛

Jim
 
We’re not allowed to talk about presidential candidates in here. 😛
Jim
I found your statement ludicrous and attempted to match it with one of my own. 🤷

Sorry you missed the point.

I will try to be less abstract for you in the future.👍
 
I am late to the party but I have to say Good for the Bishops. I think all the Bishops across the land should make the same stand, I think all Priests should too, while we are at it, get those protestant fellows to make the same call.

Abortion is the number one issue sorry, that is my opinion. If we kill of the next generation, we wont have the health care workers for health care, we wont have the work force to maintain social security, we will not have the men and woman to support the military. Abortion trumps everything. If we could stop legal abortion we would save millions of lives a year. Start there then deal with the other issues.
 
If we kill of the next generation, we wont have the health care workers for health care, we wont have the work force to maintain social security, we will not have the men and woman to support the military.
The logic here is a bit iffy. Abortion has been legal for 35 years now. Since the time when the generation lost to abortion would be starting to have an economic impact, 1990 or so, we’ve had a fairly robust economy, no great shortage of healthcare workers, and a strong military. There have been periodic shortages or surpluses in some areas of healthcare from time to time, and the military has fallen short in recruiting some years. But the latter is mostly due to deployment requirements in recent years, and a strong economy over most of that period, which made military service less attractive than private sector alternatives.

There is indeed an issue with social security, but the demographics causing it may not have been much different without abortion.

There are compelling reasons to oppose abortion, but macroeconomics is the wrong field to find them.
 
The logic here is a bit iffy. Abortion has been legal for 35 years now. Since the time when the generation lost to abortion would be starting to have an economic impact, 1990 or so, we’ve had a fairly robust economy, no great shortage of healthcare workers, and a strong military. There have been periodic shortages or surpluses in some areas of healthcare from time to time, and the military has fallen short in recruiting some years. But the latter is mostly due to deployment requirements in recent years, and a strong economy over most of that period, which made military service less attractive than private sector alternatives.

There is indeed an issue with social security, but the demographics causing it may not have been much different without abortion.

There are compelling reasons to oppose abortion, but macroeconomics is the wrong field to find them.
I did say it was my opinion but you changed my mind keep abortion legal and lets slaughter us some babies it seems to not matter.
 
I did say it was my opinion but you changed my mind keep abortion legal and lets slaughter us some babies it seems to not matter.
You gave your opinion that abortion was the number one issue, then you gave your logic behind it. I have no problem with abortion being the number one issue. If your logic is flawed, however, you may have trouble convincing others that you are correct.
 
You gave your opinion that abortion was the number one issue, then you gave your logic behind it. I have no problem with abortion being the number one issue. If your logic is flawed, however, you may have trouble convincing others that you are correct.
The American society is slowly slipping into oblivion. I feel that at its root is Abortion. As long as we have no value for the life of these innocents it will only continue to slip away. Our Economy, Health Care, and National Security are secondary.

One interesting thing is that Breast Cancer is the new hip ting to be fighting. Yet do you hear the connection between Abortion and Breast Cancer ever mentioned? Nope. But IN the past 5 years there have been 4 legal cases brought against Planned Parenthood by 4 different women who sued because Planned Parenthood did not fully disclose the connection between the two. These women won their cases.
 
You gave your opinion that abortion was the number one issue, then you gave your logic behind it. I have no problem with abortion being the number one issue. If your logic is flawed, however, you may have trouble convincing others that you are correct.
I dont care what rationale people use to vote agaisnt pro-abortion canidates as loing as that is what they do.
 
The American society is slowly slipping into oblivion. I feel that at its root is Abortion. As long as we have no value for the life of these innocents it will only continue to slip away. Our Economy, Health Care, and National Security are secondary.

One interesting thing is that Breast Cancer is the new hip ting to be fighting. Yet do you hear the connection between Abortion and Breast Cancer ever mentioned? Nope. But IN the past 5 years there have been 4 legal cases brought against Planned Parenthood by 4 different women who sued because Planned Parenthood did not fully disclose the connection between the two. These women won their cases.
Abortion is fundamentally a moral issue. You are correct that other effects are secondary. The trouble with trying to make abortion an economic issue is that the effects are on both sides. There are undoubtedly economic benefits to abortion being legal - what specifically, I don’t know, but surely there are. However, once you get to this stage, it becomes a matter of weighing the economic pluses and minuses to determine whether abortion is a good idea.

I hate to add more negativity, but I think your second paragraph falls into the same trap. By emphasizing health risks as a major reason to avoid abortion, the argument against abortion can easily be toppled if the individual has a family history of for a disease with a reduced risk post-abortion. Not to mention the fact that in the case of breast cancer, a woman worried by this warning may research the issue, find that for the time being the scientific consensus is mostly against there being a link, and question the truth of the arguer’s other statements.

I feel strongly that the pro-life movement is weakened when arguments are thrown up which don’t bear close scrutiny - not on this board, obviously, but in the arena of public opinion. So I try to knock down points I see as flawed, before the outside world has a chance.

If the case for the immorality of abortion can be made, there is no need for distractions like hypothetical breast cancer links, etc.
 
Abortion is fundamentally a moral issue. You are correct that other effects are secondary. The trouble with trying to make abortion an economic issue is that the effects are on both sides. There are undoubtedly economic benefits to abortion being legal - what specifically, I don’t know, but surely there are. However, once you get to this stage, it becomes a matter of weighing the economic pluses and minuses to determine whether abortion is a good idea.

I hate to add more negativity, but I think your second paragraph falls into the same trap. By emphasizing health risks as a major reason to avoid abortion, the argument against abortion can easily be toppled if the individual has a family history of for a disease with a reduced risk post-abortion. Not to mention the fact that in the case of breast cancer, a woman worried by this warning may research the issue, find that for the time being the scientific consensus is mostly against there being a link, and question the truth of the arguer’s other statements.

I feel strongly that the pro-life movement is weakened when arguments are thrown up which don’t bear close scrutiny - not on this board, obviously, but in the arena of public opinion. So I try to knock down points I see as flawed, before the outside world has a chance.

If the case for the immorality of abortion can be made, there is no need for distractions like hypothetical breast cancer links, etc.
If that was the case how did the woman win the court cases. It is on record that they won because they did not get full disclosure. Did I say it was a major reason? No I just said it is interesting fact. It is an issue no one discusses. I have actually been working with some doctors who want to get that message out that it does actually increase your risk of breast cancer. But you can go argue with them if you like.
 
Abortion is fundamentally a moral issue. You are correct that other effects are secondary. The trouble with trying to make abortion an economic issue is that the effects are on both sides. There are undoubtedly economic benefits to abortion being legal - what specifically, I don’t know, but surely there are. However, once you get to this stage, it becomes a matter of weighing the economic pluses and minuses to determine whether abortion is a good idea.

What a totally specious and intellectually dishonest argument.

I hate to add more negativity, but I think your second paragraph falls into the same trap. By emphasizing health risks as a major reason to avoid abortion, the argument against abortion can easily be toppled if the individual has a family history of for a disease with a reduced risk post-abortion. Not to mention the fact that in the case of breast cancer, a woman worried by this warning may research the issue, find that for the time being the scientific consensus is mostly against there being a link, and question the truth of the arguer’s other statements.

Trust me on this one, a woman with a family history of breast cancer will consider ANY link. Unless irrefutable evidence comes to light, then then any marginally educated woman will want to weigh these risks.
 
maggiemay2:
What a totally specious and intellectually dishonest argument.
I don’t think that was called for, but perhaps it would help if you could explain exactly how I was intellectually dishonest.
Trust me on this one, a woman with a family history of breast cancer will consider ANY link. Unless irrefutable evidence comes to light, then then any marginally educated woman will want to weigh these risks.
That misses the point. Abortion may be bad for your soul, but it is not completely bad for your body. Some studies have shown a decrease in endometrial cancer post-abortion. Similarly there is some evidence RU-486 reduces the risk of some cancers. I suppose any marginally educated woman, especially with a family history of endometrial cancer, will want to weigh the risks and consider whether abortion might be the right thing for her health.

Weighing the medical pros and cons is simply the wrong way to approach what is a moral issue. Abortion is wrong because it’s wrong, not because some conflicting evidence points to a slight increase in breast cancer risk, or because it might be slowing the population growth needed for Social Security.
 
If that was the case how did the woman win the court cases. It is on record that they won because they did not get full disclosure.
I would like to read about that if you have a link. I would assume they won because a jury of 12 felt bad for the plaintiffs, decided Planned Parenthood was responsible since it didn’t share all (or perhaps any) evidence about a possible abortion-breast cancer link, and awarded them damages. Such a verdict does not mean there is truth to the link.
 
I don’t think that was called for, but perhaps it would help if you could explain exactly how I was intellectually dishonest.
YOUR previous quote,"Abortion is fundamentally a moral issue. You are correct that other effects are secondary. The trouble with trying to make abortion an economic issue is that the effects are on both sides. There are undoubtedly economic benefits to abortion being legal - what specifically, I don’t know, but surely there are. However, once you get to this stage, it becomes a matter of weighing the economic pluses and minuses to determine whether abortion is a good idea.

If you don’t know the facts and can’t back them up, it is by definition, intellectually dishonest to present them as if they were true.

That misses the point. Abortion may be bad for your soul, but it is not completely bad for your body. Some studies have shown a decrease in endometrial cancer post-abortion. Similarly there is some evidence RU-486 reduces the risk of some cancers. I suppose any marginally educated woman, especially with a family history of endometrial cancer, will want to weigh the risks and consider whether abortion might be the right thing for her health.

First all, you switched horses in mid-stream, dare I suggest, an intellectually stilted method? You brought up BC, I merely refuted your supposition with my own. As for all links between elective abortion and increased risks of reproductive cancers, it’s important to seek out information from those who do not directly benefit from the continuation of the abortion industry.

abortionbreastcancer.com
abortionbreastcancer.com/medicalgroups/index.htm
foothillsprc.org/risks.php
birthlife.org/Universal/nacer_archivos/mundo.html

Weighing the medical pros and cons is simply the wrong way to approach what is a moral issue. Abortion is wrong because it’s wrong, not because some conflicting evidence points to a slight increase in breast cancer risk, or because it might be slowing the population growth needed for Social Security.

If that’s what you believe, then why go down any other paths with "debatable " facts?
 
If you don’t know the facts and can’t back them up, it is by definition, intellectually dishonest to present them as if they were true.
It is axiomatic that there are economic benefits to abortion. There are economic benefits to any and every economic activity. I don’t have much interest in what they may be, but since you insist that I think about it, I suspect evidence would show that teenagers who have abortions are able to attain higher educational levels, and thus increased productivity as employees.
First all, you switched horses in mid-stream, dare I suggest, an intellectually stilted method? You brought up BC, I merely refuted your supposition with my own.
I didn’t “switch horses.” It was KenEOTE in #115 who brought up breast cancer. My statement in #117 to which you first replied was
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By emphasizing health risks as a major reason to avoid abortion, the argument against abortion can easily be toppled if the individual has a family history of for a disease with a reduced risk post-abortion.
Whether that disease is endometrial cancer or something else, whether the abortion is a surgical procedure or caused by RU-486, somewhere along the way you’ll find a health benefit to abortion. In those cases, if your premise from the get-go has been that abortion is bad because it increases health risks, you’ll have to turn around and admit (if you’re being intellectually honest, anyway) that abortion is good because it reduces a health risk.
maggiemay2:
If that’s what you believe, then why go down any other paths with "debatable " facts?
🤷 If someone states that Bush is our greatest president because he looks good in blue, I’ll point out the flaws in the logical approach, and possibly give contrary evidence from that approach (some sources indicate Clinton looked even better in blue). Is that going down another path from what I believe, or merely helping someone to see the flaw in his logic?
 
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