No kissing before marriage?

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Fashina86:
this sounds a lot like what my mom always taught us… she would get up in the middle of a PG movie at home and talk about how wrong it was that the boy and girl kissed… that act, she said, was to remain for after engagement if not for sure until marraige

Laura 😉
I agree with your mother
 
I had my first kiss a few weeks before I was 21, and I’m 23 now and wish I had all those kisses with my then-girlfriend back. Perhaps this is because instead of just kissing it was very passionate kissing, which after a month (and fortuitously reading a Catholic site about it) I had to discontinue, and we slowly scaled back over time so that the only kisses were pretty short.

I can say that passionate kissing can only cloud the early relationship. I haven’t kissed anyone else (then again I haven’t dated anyone since we broke up), and even though it wasn’t sex or any “touching” or what have you I still wish I could give the gift of all my kisses to my future wife.

My take on it is, kissing is not wrong if done in the pure and chaste way and of course with respect to the context (dating vs. engaged vs. married), but passionate kissing and other similar very affectionate cuddling should be for marriage only. Waiting for marriage for your first kiss is a sacrifice you can choose to make, and I’d bet it’s a good one.

I don’t know if I will make that sacrifice for the future with my next “first kiss”, but I’m sure leaning towards it. Discerning marriage candidates is much easier without the physical aspect so prominent, and I don’t doubt that when God shows me the girl I will marry that those physical aspects will be wonderful once we are married.
 
Question for the proponents “no kissing before marriage” especially men: Do you verbally communicate your feelings to the member of the opposite sex you are interested in?

The most men I know are not able to do that. The object of your affection needs to know how you feel about them. If there isn’t any communication, a lot of time is wasted and opportunities missed if both parties aren’t on the same page.

No wonder so many Catholics don’t marry.
 
OK, so now we need to be afriad of kissing too. Ill add that to the list then shall i?
 
No, we don’t need to be scared of kissing. We need to be aware of what it is we’re doing and what we are telling someone when we kiss that person. It has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with communication, as LeahInancsi said.

In response to your question, Leah, maybe I should clarify something in my post: when I say saving your first kiss is a sacrifice and it’s probably a good one, I don’t mean that not making the sacrifice implies it’s not good. People can choose to do either one, but we need to recognize the context and reasons.

We can become too prudish and oversexualize simple things if we always equate kissing with leading to sex (it doesn’t nor should it). On the flip side we can lose the meaning of a kiss if we just say “well, it’s not touching and it’s not sex so it’s ok” (my words, not yours, don’t worry!).

Now to the answer: yes, I did verbalize my feelings of affection towards her. However, the meaning of kissing was lost once we got more passionate about it because it focused on pleasure and not authentic love. Communication would break down over other issues, and the pleasure of kissing got in the way of us working out problems. Perhaps if we stopped to really think about what a kiss meant and to realize that passionate kisses are better left to where passions are allowed to work then we could have made better progress.

So, if someone chooses to kiss, fine; if not, fine. Just make sure your reasons for doing so are properly aligned and that if you do choose to kiss then you do it in accord with your state of life.
 
Rockand Hoops,

I understand what you’re saying and agree. It’s important to keep something as simple as a kiss special. As long as the lines of verbal communication are open, no one should get discouraged and walk away from what could be the greatest relationship of their life.

In fact, verbally communicating affection is the much preferred method over physical means, especially when dating. If you can’t verbally communicate in the beginning, it’s sign of bigger problems to come in the future.
 
Yeah, I think that verbal communication is something which I thought over time would “grow”, but it didn’t. Plus, communicating affection by participation in common interests (like supporting your boy/girlfriend in their sports team not just by saying “Good luck!” but by coming to cheer them and watch them play) is a sign that you really are interested. So I’m more attuned to looking for those types of signs now.
 
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LeahInancsi:
No wonder so many Catholics don’t marry.
huh? Given the shortage of vocations in Europe and America–I’d say *too many *Catholics are marrying… and if less of us married, then there would be much less dissent over contraception, since big families would be necessary 🙂

Ideally, I think when the priest or deacon says “You may now kiss the Bride” *that *should be the first *passionate *kiss between husband and wife. Since passionate kissing really is intimate and erotic physical contact, it should be saved for marriage. Whether it’s sinful or not outside of that, would depend on whether there is any aim at sexual pleasure, or any lust (which is sinful in any case).
Kissing, IMO, between non-married couples should be kept to affectionate, friendly contact (i.e. no tongue); leave the eros for the wedding night (and hopefully many nights thereafter). :love:
 
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Neithan:
huh? Given the shortage of vocations in Europe and America–I’d say *too many *Catholics are marrying… and if less of us married, then there would be much less dissent over contraception, since big families would be necessary 🙂
My family did it’s best. On the maternal Catholic side, out of nine aunts and uncles, only one uncle married.
 
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Neithan:
huh? Given the shortage of vocations in Europe and America–I’d say *too many *Catholics are marrying… and if less of us married, then there would be much less dissent over contraception, since big families would be necessary 🙂
We need more people like you going into Seminary and become priests.
 
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CrossoverManiac:
We need more people like you going into Seminary and become priests.
Wow, thanks for the vote of confidence! I’m definitely open to that possibility… although I doubt my capability. I do think that every Catholic man or woman should seriously consider a religious vocation before marriage. Not gonna lie though–it is an intimidating decision. Ultimately, it’s not just our choice; it’s the Church’s, and God’s 🙂
 
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Neithan:
Wow, thanks for the vote of confidence! I’m definitely open to that possibility… although I doubt my capability.
No, don’t be open to the possibility. Go ahead and be a priest. You were complaining that too many Catholics were getting married and not enough were being priests. Now go set an example and become one.
 
I have just become engaged to the man I love, and in my heart I knew that kissing beyond the sweet small kisses and into lustful gorgeous wife- husband was just asking for trouble. It says in the bible about fornication and our bodies being worth more than that because we have been bought and paid for by God.
In all honesty I found this site because I am tempted to full scale kissing and I was hoping to find the answer to be ITS OKAY!!..but no…God just keeps on re affirming that what our hearts say is the right way…to abstain. I feel really blessed to be shown the correct way and the right man has been sent to me by Mother Mary …we help each other. The Love we have for each other is a precious gift, trancending anything I have ever felt before and I look forward to our wedding night as it really will be our wedding night.

So I ask Michael the ArcAngel and our Guardian angels to aid us against the temptations of the Evil One. Please pray for us, as we humbly ask to be witnesses in the true path of Love…and what a truely remarkable and awsome place it is.

Glory to our Father in Heaven!!!
Cheryl
Kent England:thumbsup:
 
In the world be live in, sexual abstinence isn’t just religious dogma but good sense. It is not something that I’d dispute nor want to. But not all physical contact between persons is necessarily sinful. Take kissing, for example. If one allows the passions to take control, kissing can go too far. But it can be a greeting between neighbors and friends (of the same or opposite sex) or an expression of love between a dating couple.
If kissing is seen by some as an inherently sexual act that must be saved for marriage, perhaps that is a reaction to our oversexualized culture.
A 25-year-old couple can still have “puppy love”, kissing and showing affection for each other without it leading to pre-marital sex. It’s hard for me to see that as unnatural or wrong.
Pensees…
I agree with you totally.
People have different areas of weakness.
Since I have in my life met a few men who got aroused when I kissed them and lost control I now consider saving even my kisses for marriage in order to protect my self and my future husband- if I am blessed to have one.
It almost seems to me that men in generel cannot handle kissing. But I know that might just be my experience…
Whatever can help people.
I know of an Evangelical couple who did not kiss on the lips until they were standing at the alter. And I admire their discipline greatly.

Grace 🙂
 
Well, my husband and I were both virgins on our wedding night, and that was hugely important to us. But not to kiss would have been totally weird in our relationship, as we are both very affectionate with each other. I will say I didn’t kiss him until we had been dating for six weeks. And I did (only half-jokingly!) tell him early on I wouldn’t kiss a man I wasn’t engaged to (so he immediately proposed
 
Ooops! Sorry about that, kids were distracting me, and I hit the wrong button 😃

Anyway, we knew we were going to be getting married right from the first date, so I suppose that changes things a bit. Like I said, no kisses for six weeks, but after that it would have felt completely artificial not to.

I drew the line at French kissing, though. Although my husband wasn’t totally on-board with the notion, I knew what I was doing and told him it just wasn’t happening 😉 Nearly 20 years later, he will occasionally reluctantly admit I was probably right 😃

Just my .02. I’m so glad we waited to make love until we were married, but I have no regrets about the occasional kiss. I view a relationship as a continuum, and for us it was natural to get more affectionate as the relationship wore on.

Lauren
 
Not really. Though I know what not to do, I don’t know what we can do. Know what I mean?
One of the biggest struggles with the Catholic faith is that a lot of our teachings were written thousands of years ago so it’s not like we can turn to the Bible to find Jesus talking about kissing before marriage.

Your points are totally valid and I don’t think you should restrain yourself from kissing before marriage – if you don’t express your emotional feelings via some sort of physical action then that’s not healthy for a relationship.

It is mostly a combination of personal judgment, self control, and strong faith to make this kind of a decision. If you feel like you can kiss someone without it leading to further temptation, then great. Go for it! If not, then try and just avoid it altogether.

Don’t get so wrapped up in all these “rules.” In the end I think we all know deep down what makes us feel content and happy, it’s just a matter of making your reality match up with that.
 

So I ask Michael the ArcAngel and our Guardian angels to aid us against the temptations of the Evil One. Please pray for us, as we humbly ask to be witnesses in the true path of Love…and what a truely remarkable and awsome place it is…
that doesn’t seem healthy.
 
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