No Kneelers in some catholic churches?

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😃 Sister… All Latin Rite Catholic Churches ā€œmayā€ or ā€œmay notā€ have kneelers…
Having kneelers is equivalent to having air-conditioning in the church…
It is merely a luxury afforded by some lucky parish because they can
pay for the lot/space… Oh yeah! The money comes from the very kind
congregation šŸ˜›

Not convinced ? Ok… How about this ?

Many (and not most) Latin Rite Catholic Church might have kneelers for the choosy congregation… BUT the priest/celebrant (always) does not have kneelers… šŸ‘ Aha! See? The priest/celebrant is THE ONLY ONE capable of asking the Lord Jesus to transubstantiate the unleavened bread and the wine into the Body and Blood of our Lord Jesus respectively šŸ™‚

The floor is always cleaned before the worship… Clean ? What clean ? No matter how clean it is, that is the floor… and the floor WILL ALWAYS have a lot of dust… In fact, be it the floor or anything else, even after we wipe it clean, there will always be dust that is left… i.e. infinitesimally small dust 😃

How about that ? 😃 That humble priest/celebrant (always) kneels upon that dusty floor whilst he wears the cleansed sacred vestments that become dirtied by this act of respect for our Lord.
Most churches are chock full 'o elderly people. Most churches have hard floors. I think many churches without kneelers have instituted a custom of not kneeling so as not to ostracize our elderly parishioners, encourage them to do something foolish that would leave them injured or stuck on the ground, or have a dichotomy between the capable and incapable.
 
Most churches are chock full 'o elderly people. Most churches have hard floors. I think many churches without kneelers have instituted a custom of not kneeling so as not to ostracize our elderly parishioners, encourage them to do something foolish that would leave them injured or stuck on the ground, or have a dichotomy between the capable and incapable.
šŸ™‚ Of course the unable-elderly/disabled ARE an exception to the rule… Jesus is human and Jesus has the most human love and therefore He understands the unable-elderly/disabled… He may not understand the able-elderly/abled 😃

I believe that we are all talking about the able-elderly/abled Latin Rite Catholics 😃 Right ?

Believe it or not SIster 😃 Even the late Blessed Pope John Paul II ALWAYS made it a point to kneel without kneelers especially during consecration even though he already had symptoms of disability due to his medical condition… His last few months on our world… That is respect for our Lord Jesus! 😃 Dig that 😃

I even remember this Opus Dei talk about the founder of Opus Dei… the late Saint Msgr Josemaria Escriva… Even he would dare to kneel with both his knees OUTSIDE OF A CHURCH WHILE FACING THAT CHURCH WHILE PRAYING to the Blessed Sacrament that is located within that church… That is respect for our Lord Jesus! That means he knelt at the dirty parking lots outside the churches 😃 Dig that ! 😃
 
My post was prompted by the fact that all too often Eastern and Orthodox will come onto this forum and slam,for lack of a better word, the traditions of the Latin Rite,while extoling the virtues of their own rites, in glowing terms. This used to happen very often and in fact prompted a sticky posted by the moderators on the subject. By the way, it is still posted.

I for one,don’t go on the forums specific to the Eastern and Orthodox and attempt to explain the Latin traditions and I really can’t understand why so many Eastern and Orthodox feel the need, apparently,to do so here. That is unless there is some hidden motive, as was obviously the case before. As forme, I really have no interest whatsoever in the Eastern traditions and fail to see why so many Easterns are apparently interested in ours and the need to expalin or extol their own.

As I said, I really don’t care what you guys do. That is your tradition and I would not think of comparing the two traditions in any way shape or form or attempting to change your minds or traditions…
I didnt realize this was the Traditional*****ā€œLATIN RITEā€***** forum. I thought it was for*** ALL*** Traditional Catholics. 😃

I guess I’ll take my Traditional Eastern Catholic donkey back to the Eastern Catholic ghetto.
 
I didnt realize this was the Traditional*****ā€œLATIN RITEā€***** forum. I thought it was for*** ALL*** Traditional Catholics. 😃
Sorry UncleBill 😃 thoughts aside… This forum is for ALL the Apostolically-generated Christians 😃 I just want to ensure that I am not stepping on any Eastern Rite Brother’s traditional practice 😃 hehehehe Actually it’s for everyone who wishes to love God and to love his fellowman 😃 Cheers!

Peace to everyone ! God bless ! šŸ˜‰
 
Ok… How about this ? Jesus opened the gates of heaven for those who wish to repent šŸ™‚

But he had to be crucified Roman Soldier style… Death caused by suffocation, by tremendous bleeding, by painfully cracked skull, by painfully cracked forearm bones, painfully cracked ankle/heel… painful knees and hips when he fell to the floor while carrying that GIANT PIECE of log… multiple scarring across His bodily skin caused by Roman Soldier style whips (with spiked metal balls the ends) lashed across every part of His body… probably even tearing open portions of it exposing portions of his muscles, ligaments, and bones… the face, the arms, the back, the lumbar-region, the chest, the lateral sides, portions of His upper leg, … That bloodiness of His Body looking almost like the medium rare style of bloodiness when you cut a steak but MORE blood oozes out… GOD THAT IS SO PAINFUL !

N.B.
Cracked NOT Broken.

A simple cut from a knife would cause great pain… But what our Lord Jesus went through REALLY did feel INFINITE pain !

NOW… if you worshipped Jesus once a week… would you not kneel for 15 minutes during that 1 hour Latin Rite worship just to say ā€œThank Youā€ for the efforts exerted by our Lord for His love of our humanity ??? :D… with or without kneelers ??? 😃
 
That Roman Soldier style whip is truly powerful and scary ( with the spiked balls at the end of each strand )… You should see it in action when it whips (kindly) at a peace of cow meat or pork meat… THE RESULTS are devastating… the epidermal portion or the subcutaneous layers and layers below it will be torn and exposed with a KIND whipping… If it hits at that same portion again, it may tear open the muscles of that meat…

What would happen if an angry muscular Roman Soldier whips it across a person ( while that Roman Soldier ā€œjudges/thinksā€ that the person he is about to whip is a criminal ) 😦 ???

Jesus was that person 😦

God bless us .

So will you ( unkneeling able-elderly/abled Latin Rite Catholics ) now kneel to Jesus… EVEN without kneelers ??? 😦

This is already ā€œPRAGMATISMā€ applied 😦 kneelers is skin-deep… kneeling without kneelers to our Lord Jesus, even with all that dirt, even if it may cause discomfort or pain while kneeling on that hard dirty dusty wet muddy floor, THAT is pragmatism šŸ™‚
 
That Roman Soldier style whip is truly powerful and scary ( with the spiked balls at the end of each strand )… You should see it in action when it whips (kindly) at a peace of cow meat or pork meat… THE RESULTS are devastating… the epidermal portion or the subcutaneous layers and layers below it will be torn and exposed with a KIND whipping… If it hits at that same portion again, it may tear open the muscles of that meat…

What would happen if an angry muscular Roman Soldier whips it across a person ( while that Roman Soldier ā€œjudges/thinksā€ that the person he is about to whip is a criminal ) 😦 ???

Jesus was that person 😦

God bless us .

So will you ( unkneeling able-elderly/abled Latin Rite Catholics ) now kneel to Jesus… EVEN without kneelers ??? 😦

This is already ā€œPRAGMATISMā€ applied 😦 kneelers is skin-deep… kneeling without kneelers to our Lord Jesus, even with all that dirt, even if it may cause discomfort or pain while kneeling on that hard dirty dusty wet muddy floor, THAT is pragmatism šŸ™‚
 
That Roman Soldier style whip is truly powerful and scary ( with the spiked balls at the end of each strand )… You should see it in action when it whips (kindly) at a peace of cow meat or pork meat… THE RESULTS are devastating… the epidermal portion or the subcutaneous layers and layers below it will be torn and exposed with a KIND whipping… If it hits at that same portion again, it may tear open the muscles of that meat…

What would happen if an angry muscular Roman Soldier whips it across a person ( while that Roman Soldier ā€œjudges/thinksā€ that the person he is about to whip is a criminal ) 😦 ???

Jesus was that person 😦

God bless us .

So will you ( unkneeling able-elderly/abled Latin Rite Catholics ) now kneel to Jesus… EVEN without kneelers ??? 😦

This is already ā€œPRAGMATISMā€ applied 😦 kneelers is skin-deep… kneeling without kneelers to our Lord Jesus, even with all that dirt, even if it may cause discomfort or pain while kneeling on that hard dirty dusty wet muddy floor, THAT is pragmatism šŸ™‚
I don’t think you understand. People are not avoiding kneeling out of disrespect, or to send a message that they don’t care. Some churches do not have kneelers and it is not the custom to kneel. It would make someone look like a self-righteous, pompous show-off to do so in that environment. To institute the practice of kneeling on the floor would be inappropriate because most parishes are probably made up of more than 50% senior citizens. Not to mention the infirm, pregnant women…

So while it should be the goal of all parishes lacking kneelers to obtain them, there is a reason parishioners are not asked to kneel on the floor in the interim.
 
I don’t think you understand. People are not avoiding kneeling out of disrespect, or to send a message that they don’t care. Some churches do not have kneelers and it is not the custom to kneel. It would make someone look like a self-righteous, pompous show-off to do so in that environment. To institute the practice of kneeling on the floor would be inappropriate because most parishes are probably made up of more than 50% senior citizens. Not to mention the infirm, pregnant women…

So while it should be the goal of all parishes lacking kneelers to obtain them, there is a reason parishioners are not asked to kneel on the floor in the interim.
Ok… I understand… I have been to situations like this many times… Of course, as I’ve said the unable-elderly/disabled/(add-unable-pregnant-women) are exempted from this… But if you’re pregnant and God knows that you can kneel… That is a ā€œlieā€ 😃 and any ā€œlieā€ is a mortal sin 😃 because it is done with full knowledge

Let’s take it step by step.
  1. There is such a thing as ā€œmaking your intentions pureā€ for our Lord. I learned this from some kind people who are members at Opus Dei. It’s funny how our everyday humanity resembles what we must do for our Lord. Let me site an example which is not perfect but it is the closest we can get at this point in time… It goes like this… In courtship, a gentleman must show his love for a lady by doing the little things, dress for the date, kiss, touch hands, etc I think you know the drill for this ahemmm… In that same sense we show our love for God by doing the little things in Church as well, dress your best, receive Jesus in the state of grace, genuflect/double-genuflect when required etc…
N.B.
In mental prayer, God/Jesus/Holy Spirit can hear us. No need for physical words. Talk with your heart with Jesus… Talk with your mind with Jesus… This is talking to Jesus with your will.
  1. NOW in ā€œkeeping with purifying your intentionsā€ for Jesus… In courtship, you don’t mind what others say to you just as long as you show the romantic-sexy-love-of-your-life your true love for him… NOW Look at Jesus (the Sacrament held by the priest/celebrant) and you mentally tell Jesus in your heart and in your mind (i.e. in your will) that you will not care what the others will think and that you care only what Jesus will think and the reason why you will want to do this is because you want to please Jesus and not because you want to please the criticizing humans around you… Please Jesus and not the others around you…
  2. NOW you don’t care… you must show your courtship for Jesus… That is already love awaiting your enactment 😃 Kneel to Jesus now…
  3. At a romantic-dating-place, you both do dating stuff… At Church, you and Jesus do Church-stuff including kneeling without kneelers 😃
  4. If the gentlemen does not show his love for the lady, there she goes… If you don’t show your love for Jesus, there goes Jesus…
 
Ok… I understand… I have been to situations like this many times… Of course, as I’ve said the unable-elderly/disabled/(add-unable-pregnant-women) are exempted from this… But if you’re pregnant and God knows that you can kneel… That is a ā€œlieā€ 😃 and any ā€œlieā€ is a mortal sin 😃 because it is done with full knowledge

Let’s take it step by step.
  1. There is such a thing as ā€œmaking your intentions pureā€ for our Lord. I learned this from some kind people who are members at Opus Dei. It’s funny how our everyday humanity resembles what we must do for our Lord. Let me site an example which is not perfect but it is the closest we can get at this point in time… It goes like this… In courtship, a gentleman must show his love for a lady by doing the little things, dress for the date, kiss, touch hands, etc I think you know the drill for this ahemmm… In that same sense we show our love for God by doing the little things in Church as well, dress your best, receive Jesus in the state of grace, genuflect/double-genuflect when required etc…
N.B.
In mental prayer, God/Jesus/Holy Spirit can hear us. No need for physical words. Talk with your heart with Jesus… Talk with your mind with Jesus… This is talking to Jesus with your will.
  1. NOW in ā€œkeeping with purifying your intentionsā€ for Jesus… In courtship, you don’t mind what others say to you just as long as you show the romantic-sexy-love-of-your-life your true love for him… NOW Look at Jesus (the Sacrament held by the priest/celebrant) and you mentally tell Jesus in your heart and in your mind (i.e. in your will) that you will not care what the others will think and that you care only what Jesus will think and the reason why you will want to do this is because you want to please Jesus and not because you want to please the criticizing humans around you…
  2. NOW you don’t care… you must show your courtship for Jesus… That is already love šŸ™‚ You should have done it 😃
  3. At a romantic-dating-place, you both do dating stuff… At Church, you and Jesus do Church-stuff including kneeling without kneelers 😃
  4. If the gentlemen does not show his love for the lady, there she goes… If you don’t show your love for Jesus, there goes Jesus…
Except for that Jesus is an all-knowing God and your date is a human being with human emotions and needs. Jesus does not ask us to make a spectical of ourselves by kneeling in a place where there is no such custom. It is akin to ā€œpraying out loud on the street corner.ā€ While one should kneel if it is the custom in the particular parish, one should not take the ā€œholier than thouā€ position by doing so when the others are not. At my parish, someone kneeling on the floor would, frankly, look like an ***.
 
I don’t think you understand. People are not avoiding kneeling out of disrespect, or to send a message that they don’t care. Some churches do not have kneelers and it is not the custom to kneel. It would make someone look like a self-righteous, pompous show-off to do so in that environment. To institute the practice of kneeling on the floor would be inappropriate because most parishes are probably made up of more than 50% senior citizens. Not to mention the infirm, pregnant women…

So while it should be the goal of all parishes lacking kneelers to obtain them, there is a reason parishioners are not asked to kneel on the floor in the interim.
It would also help to focus your eyes on Jesus ONLY… Don’t focus on the people around you… You must not care what they think 😃 We must follow this lady who did not care what others think… She was only thinking what Jesus would think of her 😃 Oh yeah! Our Lord Jesus is so human that he enjoys being loved… Look at these 😃

Matthew 26:7-13 **************************************************
"[7] There came to him a woman having an alabaster box of precious ointment, and poured it on his head as he was at table. [8] And the disciples seeing it, had indignation, saying: To what purpose is this waste? [9] For this might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. [10] And Jesus knowing it, said to them: Why do you trouble this woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.

[11] For the poor you have always with you: but me you have not always. [12] For she in pouring this ointment upon my body, hath done it for my burial. [13] Amen I say to you, wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, that also which she hath done, shall be told for a memory of her."

Mark 14:3-9 **************************************************
"[3] And when he was in Bethania, in the house of Simon the leper, and was at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of precious spikenard: and breaking the alabaster box, she poured it out upon his head. [4] Now there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said: Why was this waste of the ointment made? [5] For this ointment might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and given to the poor. And they murmured against her.

[1] Azymes: That is, the feast of the unleavened bread.

[6] But Jesus said: Let her alone, why do you molest her? She hath wrought a good work upon me. [7] For the poor you have always with you: and whensoever you will, you may do them good: but me you have not always. [8] She hath done what she could: she is come beforehand to anoint my body for burial. [9] Amen, I say to you, wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, that also which she hath done, shall be told for a memorial of her."

Luke 7:37-50 **************************************************
"[37] And behold a woman that was in the city, a sinner, when she knew that he sat at meat in the Pharisee’ s house, brought an alabaster box of ointment; [38] And standing behind at his feet, she began to wash his feet, with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. [39] And the Pharisee, who had invited him, seeing it, spoke within himself, saying: This man, if he were a prophet, would know surely who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him, that she is a sinner. [40] And Jesus answering, said to him: Simon, I have somewhat to say to thee. But he said: Master, say it.

** (36) One of the Pharisees: that is, Simon.

[41] A certain creditor had two debtors, the one who owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. [42] And whereas they had not wherewith to pay, he forgave them both. Which therefore of the two loveth him most? [43] Simon answering, said: I suppose that he to whom he forgave most. And he said to him: Thou hast judged rightly. [44] And turning to the woman, he said unto Simon: Dost thou see this woman? I entered into thy house, thou gavest me no water for my feet; but she with tears hath washed my feet, and with her hairs hath wiped them. [45] Thou gavest me no kiss; but she, since she came in, hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

[46] My head with oil thou didst not anoint; but she with ointment hath anointed my feet. [47] Wherefore I say to thee: Many sins are forgiven her, because she hath loved much. But to whom less is forgiven, he loveth less. [48] And he said to her: Thy sins are forgiven thee. [49] And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves: Who is this that forgiveth sins also? [50] And he said to the woman: Thy faith hath made thee safe, go in peace.

** (47) Many sins are forgiven her, because she hath loved much: In the scripture an effect sometimes seems attributed to one only cause, when there are divers other concurring dispositions; for the sins of this woman, in this verse, are said to be forgiven, because she loved much: but (ver. 50) Christ tells her, Thy faith hath made thee safe. Hence in a true conversion are joined faith, hope, love, sorrow for sin, and other pious dispositions."
 
In my parish we don’t kneel during the Consecration. The powers that be have stated that we are a standing congregation. So out of respect for authority I do not kneel, even in the chapel where we do have kneelers. If we were asked to kneel I would kneel on the floor. Eventually I could get up. I would prefer to kneel at great pain for myself because that is the customary way to show reverence for God in the Latin Rite.

I’d say about a quarter of the parishioners in my parish are elderly and a good portion of them should not even think about kneeling.
 
Except for that Jesus is an all-knowing God and your date is a human being with human emotions and needs. Jesus does not ask us to make a spectical of ourselves by kneeling in a place where there is no such custom. It is akin to ā€œpraying out loud on the street corner.ā€ While one should kneel if it is the custom in the particular parish, one should not take the ā€œholier than thouā€ position by doing so when the others are not. At my parish, someone kneeling on the floor would, frankly, look like an ***.
No my friend… Jesus is human and His love is the most human love. Look at the Gospels from my post 😃 Jesus loves being loved 😃

We might look like i d i o t s to other persons…
BUT to God, we will NEVER look like i d i o t s 😃
 
It would also help to focus your eyes on Jesus ONLY… Don’t focus on the people around you… You must not care what they think 😃 We must follow this lady who did not care what others think… She was only thinking what Jesus would think of her 😃 Oh yeah! Our Lord Jesus is so human that he enjoys being loved… Look at these 😃

Matthew 26:7-13 **************************************************
"[7] There came to him a woman having an alabaster box of precious ointment, and poured it on his head as he was at table. [8] And the disciples seeing it, had indignation, saying: To what purpose is this waste? [9] For this might have been sold for much, and given to the poor. [10] And Jesus knowing it, said to them: Why do you trouble this woman? for she hath wrought a good work upon me.

[11] For the poor you have always with you: but me you have not always. [12] For she in pouring this ointment upon my body, hath done it for my burial. [13] Amen I say to you, wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, that also which she hath done, shall be told for a memory of her."

Mark 14:3-9 **************************************************
"[3] And when he was in Bethania, in the house of Simon the leper, and was at meat, there came a woman having an alabaster box of ointment of precious spikenard: and breaking the alabaster box, she poured it out upon his head. [4] Now there were some that had indignation within themselves, and said: Why was this waste of the ointment made? [5] For this ointment might have been sold for more than three hundred pence, and given to the poor. And they murmured against her.

[1] Azymes: That is, the feast of the unleavened bread.

[6] But Jesus said: Let her alone, why do you molest her? She hath wrought a good work upon me. [7] For the poor you have always with you: and whensoever you will, you may do them good: but me you have not always. [8] She hath done what she could: she is come beforehand to anoint my body for burial. [9] Amen, I say to you, wheresoever this gospel shall be preached in the whole world, that also which she hath done, shall be told for a memorial of her."

Luke 7:37-50 **************************************************
"[37] And behold a woman that was in the city, a sinner, when she knew that he sat at meat in the Pharisee’ s house, brought an alabaster box of ointment; [38] And standing behind at his feet, she began to wash his feet, with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment. [39] And the Pharisee, who had invited him, seeing it, spoke within himself, saying: This man, if he were a prophet, would know surely who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him, that she is a sinner. [40] And Jesus answering, said to him: Simon, I have somewhat to say to thee. But he said: Master, say it.

** (36) One of the Pharisees: that is, Simon.

[41] A certain creditor had two debtors, the one who owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty. [42] And whereas they had not wherewith to pay, he forgave them both. Which therefore of the two loveth him most? [43] Simon answering, said: I suppose that he to whom he forgave most. And he said to him: Thou hast judged rightly. [44] And turning to the woman, he said unto Simon: Dost thou see this woman? I entered into thy house, thou gavest me no water for my feet; but she with tears hath washed my feet, and with her hairs hath wiped them. [45] Thou gavest me no kiss; but she, since she came in, hath not ceased to kiss my feet.

[46] My head with oil thou didst not anoint; but she with ointment hath anointed my feet. [47] Wherefore I say to thee: Many sins are forgiven her, because she hath loved much. But to whom less is forgiven, he loveth less. [48] And he said to her: Thy sins are forgiven thee. [49] And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves: Who is this that forgiveth sins also? [50] And he said to the woman: Thy faith hath made thee safe, go in peace.

** (47) Many sins are forgiven her, because she hath loved much: In the scripture an effect sometimes seems attributed to one only cause, when there are divers other concurring dispositions; for the sins of this woman, in this verse, are said to be forgiven, because she loved much: but (ver. 50) Christ tells her, Thy faith hath made thee safe. Hence in a true conversion are joined faith, hope, love, sorrow for sin, and other pious dispositions."
Uh, no. We absolutely need to care about what others think, and how our own behavior detracts from their Mass experience. We are not to draw attention to ourselves.
 
Some churches do not have kneelers and it is not the custom to kneel. It would make someone look like a self-righteous, pompous show-off to do so in that environment.
While one should kneel if it is the custom in the particular parish, one should not take the ā€œholier than thouā€ position by doing so when the others are not. At my parish, someone kneeling on the floor would, frankly, look like an ***.
This makes me sad 😦 Is this really how people view me on those occasions when I go to a Catholic church without kneelers and I kneel?

Going in, my wife and I are aware that we will be the odd ones out and we specifically sit in the very back of the church, so as not to draw attention to ourselves.

I definitely don’t pass judgement on those standing (I wouldn’t expect anything else when a parish lacks kneelers), but I sure hope we are not viewed that way by the standing congregation. When we do run into a parish without kneelers, we usually resolve not to go back there again (our personal preference). I had no idea people looked at us this way, so maybe that validates our intention not to return.
 
The Eucharistic Miracle of Lanciano, Italy… michaeljournal.org/eucharist3.htm
One day in the eighth century, in the church dedicated to Saints Legontian and Domitian in Lanciano, a Basilian monk was celebrating Holy Mass in the Latin rite, with a host of unleavened bread. The monk started doubting the real and substantial presence of the Flesh and Blood of Our Lord Jesus Christ in the consecrated Holy Species. After having pronounced the words of Consecration (ā€œThis is My Body… This is My Bloodā€), as Jesus had taught it to His Apostles, the monk saw the host change into a living piece of Flesh, and the wine change into real blood, which thereupon coagulated and split into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size. We quote excerpts from a document kept at Lanciano:
ā€œFrightened and confused by so great and so stupendous a miracle, he stood quite a while as if transported in a divine ecstasy; but finally, as fear yielded to the spiritual joy which filled his soul with a happy face, even though bathed with tears, having turned to the bystanders, he thus spoke to them: `O fortunate witnesses to whom the Blessed God, to counfound my unbelief, has wished to reveal Himself in this Most Blessed Sacrament and to render Himself visible to our eyes. Come Brethren, and marvel at our God so close to us. Behold the Flesh and the Blood of our Most Beloved Christ.’
ā€œAt these words, the eager people ran with devout haste to the altar and, completely terrified, began, not without copious tears, to cry for mercy. The report of so rare and singular a miracle, having spread through the entire city, who can count the acts of compunction which the young and old, hastily assembled, sought to make openlyā€¦ā€
 
Except for that Jesus is an all-knowing God and your date is a human being with human emotions and needs. Jesus does not ask us to make a spectical of ourselves by kneeling in a place where there is no such custom. It is akin to ā€œpraying out loud on the street corner.ā€ While one should kneel if it is the custom in the particular parish, one should not take the ā€œholier than thouā€ position by doing so when the others are not. At my parish, someone kneeling on the floor would, frankly, look like an ***.
I dont think YOU get it JakieMom…there is an intentional move within the Latin Rite (and some of the Eastern ) Catholic Churches to move farther and farther away from Traditional Catholic practice…kneeling at the appropriate times in church being one of them…nobody is saying the old and infirm need to be kneeling when this is not within their means… that said…kneeling is the TRADITION of the LATIN CHURCH during the Eucharistic prayer at Mass and at other times…by not installing kneelers someone is trying to make a point…dont kneel …even though the Church teaches otherwise…People in the Latin Rite should be kneeling! Why don’t people get it? 😦
 
This is just an excerpt as well… But the whole topic is PERFECT for this thread. The requirement is about unconditional acceptance ( no "IF"s ). It proves that we must not care about what our fellow sinners think and it proves that we must care about what our Lord will think about our action/s… Of course, for this excerpt, he pertains to Latin Rite Catholics as he considers that uniqueness of the Eastern Rite as well 😃

americancatholic.org/features/benedictxvi/pope-eucharist.asp

– The pope asked Catholics to pay more attention to how their postures and gestures at Mass communicate their faith in the Eucharist, particularly by "kneeling during the central moments of the eucharistic prayer."
 
I dont think YOU get it JakieMom…there is an intentional move within the Latin Rite (and some of the Eastern ) Catholic Churches to move farther and farther away from Traditional Catholic practice…kneeling at the appropriate times in church being one of them…nobody is saying the old and infirm need to be kneeling when this is not within their means… that said…kneeling is the TRADITION of the LATIN CHURCH during the Eucharistic prayer at Mass and at other times…by not installing kneelers someone is trying to make a point…dont kneel …even though the Church teaches otherwise…People in the Latin Rite should be kneeling! Why don’t people get it? 😦
I’m not sure if what I have to say is fact… But I heard of a rumour ( and this came from some priest who was a friend of a friend ) .

He said that there were priests ( who may be part a large secret syndicate ) who offer their lives to become priests with the specific purpose of ruining Jesus’ Church … SO SCARY ! :eek: They’re almost like the devil… not a single dot of kindness for our Lord 😦

I hope ( & pray) it is not connected with kneelers issue 😦
 
Um, yes kneeling (During certain periods of the Mass) is mandatory if it is possible. Without kneeling, it is hard to remember that this is our Creator, and that we are in his presence. Ultimately, I believe that God would be highly displeased if he saw someone twiddling their thumbs and whistling during the consecration. What you look like to everyone else doesn’t matter in the least.
 
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