No Mass for Catholic group after woman performs service

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A Des Moines Catholic group has been told it can no longer host Mass after allowing a woman to perform sacramental services in December.

Bishop Richard Pates of the Diocese of Des Moines ordered the Catholic Worker House to cease holding services in a letter dated May 5. An article explaining the ruling appeared in the August issue of “The Catholic Mirror,” the diocese’s monthly newspaper.

“This matter has been reviewed by the Presbyteral Council of the Diocese of Des Moines,” the letter reads. “Members expressed great offense at this action of a rite that is so precious to them and others.”

The council of priests voted unanimously to strip the Des Moines Catholic Worker House of its authority to hold Mass "for the time.”

The Rev. Janice Sevre-Duszynska, who presided over the Eucharist service, was ordained as a priest in Lexington, Ky., by the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests in 2008. The independent group is not recognized by the Vatican.
 
There was no “mass” to begin with. Just a bunch of already excommunicated dissidents calling themselves Catholic.
 
Tomdstone said:
I thought that women were allowed to celebrate the Communion Service?
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A communion service does not consist of the presider consecrating the bread and wine.

Hosts that are already consecrated are brought out to be distributed at the proper time.
 
Tomdstone said:
I thought that women were allowed to celebrate the Communion Service?
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This most certainly wasn’t a communion service.

According to the article the Workers House openly supports liberal causes such as women’s ordination, LGBT marriage and other liberal social justice touchstones. They should have been very much aware that they were asking a person that had been excommunicated to “offer the Mass”. In this case the woman who simulated offering the Mass had already been excommunicated by similating the act of receiving holy orders so she could not even over see a service of the word with holy communion. One who is excommunicated is barred from any liturgical action until reconciled and the excommunication is lifted. In the case of a woman simulating the reception of Holy Orders the excommunication can only be lifted by the Holy See. Since she also is simulating the Mass that excommunication would also have to be lifted by the Holy See. (two seperate crimes require seperate pardons)

Since the Worker’s House is not a church or chapel they must have permission to offer the Mass there. Because of the flagrant disregard for Church teaching, that permission has been rescinded.
 
anthony022071 said:
desmoinesregister.com/story/news/local/des-moines/2015/08/25/catholic-house-woman-priest-eucharist/32346939/

A Des Moines Catholic group has been told it can no longer host Mass after allowing a woman to perform sacramental services in December.

Bishop Richard Pates of the Diocese of Des Moines ordered the Catholic Worker House to cease holding services in a letter dated May 5. An article explaining the ruling appeared in the August issue of “The Catholic Mirror,” the diocese’s monthly newspaper.

“This matter has been reviewed by the Presbyteral Council of the Diocese of Des Moines,” the letter reads. “Members expressed great offense at this action of a rite that is so precious to them and others.”

The council of priests voted unanimously to strip the Des Moines Catholic Worker House of its authority to hold Mass "for the time.”

The Rev. Janice Sevre-Duszynska, who presided over the Eucharist service, was ordained as a priest in Lexington, Ky., by the Association of Roman Catholic Women Priests in 2008. The independent group is not recognized by the Vatican.
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Anathema.
 
The Des Moines Catholic Worker House was founded by a liberal priest who later left the priesthood and who advocates unorthodox views.
 
DaddyGirl said:
If they are accepting ordained women and having them preside over mass, I don’t think they are going to stop having mass just because of a letter.

This group seems very devoted and passionate about their beliefs.
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Possibly. While not stated I suspect that they did have valid Masses at other times, Really what this means is that validly ordained priests will not be able to offer Masses there any more without repercussions. It is really less about them as it is a notice to priests that they are not to offer the Mass there.
 
DaddyGirl said:
If they are accepting ordained women and having them preside over mass, I don’t think they are going to stop having mass just because of a letter.

This group seems very devoted and passionate about their beliefs.
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The issue isn’t so much their beliefs, but their disbeliefs. They believe far less than the founder of the Catholic Worker movement, Dorothy Day. Dorothy Day fought for the poor, but also totally embraced Catholic doctrine, including the whole supernatural foundation of the sacraments, and the Magisterium. She was not bound by the secular culture of her time, her actions often disagreed with the Media.

Parts of the Catholic Worker movement today reject most of Dorothy Day’s beliefs. Unlike her, they very much follow whatever is trending in the Media. It’s not so much that they (not all Catholic Worker houses, but many) want women priests, but rather they don’t believe in a separate priesthood, at all. In other words, they don’t believe men, or women priests do anything supernatural, but are just “leaders”. They want women to have equal access to “leader” positions.
 
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The issue isn’t so much their beliefs, but their disbeliefs. They believe far less than the founder of the Catholic Worker movement, Dorothy Day. Dorothy Day fought for the poor, but also totally embraced Catholic doctrine, including the whole supernatural foundation of the sacraments, and the Magisterium. She was not bound by the secular culture of her time, her actions often disagreed with the Media.

Parts of the Catholic Worker movement today reject most of Dorothy Day’s beliefs. Unlike her, they very much follow whatever is trending in the Media. It’s not so much that they (not all Catholic Worker houses, but many) want women priests, but rather they don’t believe in a separate priesthood, at all. In other words, they don’t believe men, or women priests do anything supernatural, but are just “leaders”. They want women to have equal access to “leader” positions.
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She was my first thought. This disappoints me quite a bit. I like the Catholic Workers.

Dorothy Day’s faith even led her to leave her common law husband who refused to get married. That kind of courage and conviction is rare, I certainly don’t have it. I don’t think she’d be on board with this.
 
Usige said:
This most certainly wasn’t a communion service.

According to the article the Workers House openly supports liberal causes such as women’s ordination, LGBT marriage and other liberal social justice touchstones. They should have been very much aware that they were asking a person that had been excommunicated to “offer the Mass”. In this case the woman who simulated offering the Mass had already been excommunicated by similating the act of receiving holy orders so she could not even over see a service of the word with holy communion. One who is excommunicated is barred from any liturgical action until reconciled and the excommunication is lifted. In the case of a woman simulating the reception of Holy Orders the excommunication can only be lifted by the Holy See. Since she also is simulating the Mass that excommunication would also have to be lifted by the Holy See. (two seperate crimes require seperate pardons)

Since the Worker’s House is not a church or chapel they must have permission to offer the Mass there. Because of the flagrant disregard for Church teaching, that permission has been rescinded.
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Almost the exact same thing occurred in my Diocese (Springfield, IL). A woman who was previously an RCIA teacher at the Cathedral parish fought the Diocese to become an ordained priest. This woman ended up being excommunicated and has since began offering a counterfeit mass at a non-Catholic church in a nearby city. She has a son who is openly homosexual and is an LGBT activist, local media has ardently defended the two while attacking the Catholic Church and our Bishop Thomas John Paprocki. This woman also attempted to lead a “rosary for same-sex marriage” inside our Cathedral last year but police prevented it and Bishop Paprocki condemned such action as blasphemous.
 
DaddyGirl said:
This group seems very devoted and passionate about their beliefs.
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If this were true, IMO they’d continue to fight for the poor, homeless, etc. No need to get involved in fighting with the Church over an unchangeable doctrine. They will just need to find another way to do it.
 
I looked up this group on the internet. Unfortunate that they have to take these odd stances regarding women’s ordination. They look like they do so much good in their community.
 
DaddyGirl said:
If they are accepting ordained women and having them preside over mass, I don’t think they are going to stop having mass just because of a letter.

This group seems very devoted and passionate about their beliefs.

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If a Catholic bishop ordains a woman, it is invalid or just illicit? How do you know which it is?
 
Tomdstone said:
If a Catholic bishop ordains a woman, it is invalid or just illicit? How do you know which it is?
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It’s invalid and is spelled out in the Catechism 1577. It also results in an automatic excommunication of both the woman and the bishop. Only the Holy See can lift those excommunications.
 
DaddyGirl said:
If they are accepting ordained women and having them preside over mass, I don’t think they are going to stop having mass just because of a letter.

This group seems very devoted and passionate about their beliefs.

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I think you mean “devoted and passionate about their heresy”.
 
DaddyGirl said:
If they are accepting ordained women and having them preside over mass, I don’t think they are going to stop having mass just because of a letter.

***This group seems very devoted and passionate about their beliefs ***.
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That’s funny…I don’t see anything resembling devotion and passion here at all. What I do see is defiance and rejection and the complete and total disregard of Church authority. And it would appear that it’s being done deliberately with an “in your face” mentality.

Peace, Mark
 
Tomdstone said:
I thought that women were allowed to celebrate the Communion Service?
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Yes but it’s very rare. We have a woman who brings communion to a Sunday Service at a local Children’s Home (ONCE per month) the other weeks men do it … and when possible we DO have a mass when a priest is available.

There’s a special bit of liturgy ID’ing it as a Catholic Communion Service … and not a mass. The readings are the same. Some liturgical music is played.

And communion is distributed to baptised Catholics in good standing who’ve received their first communion.

But there’s no re-enaction of the last supper, offertory, consecration, etc.

I think women can take communion to people in the hospitals or jails too (with an even smaller ceremony than we do on Sundays at the Children’s Home (and Juvenile Hall).

This woman calling herself a Reverend is a bit of a different thing. The lady in our ministry is always (or almost always) at pains to explain that she is “just” a lay Catholic bringing communion from a Catholic Mass to them.
 
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