No more Tridentine Masses at my parish

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Today after the Tridentine Mass it was announced that there will no longer be any public celebration of the Tridentine Mass at my parish. My parish isn’t a diocesan parish, but rather part of a religious order, and therefore in obedience to their superiors are canceling the Tridentine Mass. The pastor also said, that while this fact wasn’t used in deciding whether or not it should continue to be celebrated, only 170-200 people attended as opposed to the 9000 who attend any 1 vernacular mass. I’m a bit bummed, but not mad. I just feel it’s sad that we now have to find another (out of the way) parish if we want to attend a Tridentine Mass (this parish was 10 min away if that).

Catholig
 
Hi, I’ll keep you and your fellow parishioners in my prayers this evening. 😦

Had this mass been offered for some time ?
 
I’m sorry to hear this. When I went to Mass today the opposite was announced-- more TLM locations.

You are in my prayers.
 
Catholig said:
The pastor also said, that while this fact wasn’t used in deciding whether or not it should continue to be celebrated, only 170-200 people attended as opposed to the 9000 who attend any 1 vernacular mass.
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wow how big is your church? we are building a new one and I would love to see pictures to show the building committee
 
Catholig said:
Today after the Tridentine Mass it was announced that there will no longer be any public celebration of the Tridentine Mass at my parish. My parish isn’t a diocesan parish, but rather part of a religious order, and therefore in obedience to their superiors are canceling the Tridentine Mass. The pastor also said, that while this fact wasn’t used in deciding whether or not it should continue to be celebrated, only 170-200 people attended as opposed to the 9000 who attend any 1 vernacular mass. I’m a bit bummed, but not mad. I just feel it’s sad that we now have to find another (out of the way) parish if we want to attend a Tridentine Mass (this parish was 10 min away if that).

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You have 9000 people who attend any one vernacular Mass?! That’s the size of a small stadium.
 
Contact Ecclesia Dei and they will sort this out. If there is a consistent number of you within the parish who celebrate the Tridentine Mass, then you should be allowed to do so.

Stand up and fight for what is right.
 
200 people is a stable group. They may be obligated to continue the EF mass
 
Catholig said:
Today after the Tridentine Mass it was announced that there will no longer be any public celebration of the Tridentine Mass at my parish. My parish isn’t a diocesan parish, but rather part of a religious order, and therefore in obedience to their superiors are canceling the Tridentine Mass. The pastor also said, that while this fact wasn’t used in deciding whether or not it should continue to be celebrated, only 170-200 people attended as opposed to the 9000 who attend any 1 vernacular mass. I’m a bit bummed, but not mad. I just feel it’s sad that we now have to find another (out of the way) parish if we want to attend a Tridentine Mass (this parish was 10 min away if that).

Catholig
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That is a bit perplexing…I am sure 170 plus people to attend Mass is no reason to cancel it. It must have something to do with the religious order.

Sadly, the new MP does not state that they MUST say the TLM for those who request it. Being they are a religious order they are indeed “in the Diocese”. The “parish” may be staffed by a religious order but that does not mean the Diocese cannot send another priest there to say the Mass for you. If I were you I would contact the Diocese. Get in touch with as many of those 170 plus people that you can to try to find a new location for the TLM - tell the pastor all of you are going to leave the parish if they do not have the TLM there. Maybe they will reconsider. It seems like it is just too much work for them- especially now since the Triduum is approaching- which is a very busy time for the TLM.

Ken
 
I bet they’re Jesuits or Trappists! (Just guessing…)

I’m sure the poster meant 900, not 9000. Anyway it shouldn’t matter whether there are 200 or 20 people at the Traditional Mass. If a priest is willing and able and competent, he can celebrate it.
 
Well this is my parish it is in Hawaiian Gardens, California. The parish St. Peter Chanel is staffed by The Oblates of The Blessed Virgin Mary, based in Boston. We are in the Diocese of Los Angeles with Cardinal Roger Mahony as our bishop. I have been attending this Mass since it started in October. My family and I are very upset at what as taken place. We are not going to find another parish that has a TLM, as the pastor Fr. Larry Darnell has suggested. This is our parish and we are not going to drive all over southern California! The Superior General Fr. Patrice Veraquin of The Oblates of The Blessed Virgin has forbbiden the TLM here because he Fr. Patrice Veraquin said he doesn’t like what is going on and he said he was in contact with someone in The Vatican and based his descion on this supposed person’s consultation. I asure you , that it wasn’t our Holy Father!!! Cardinal Roger Mahony has to provide our parish with a priest that will offer this Mass. If the Cardinal doesn’t, The Ecclesia Dei Commision in the Vatican will get involved in the matter. To note we have three Oblate priests out of the six priests here at St. Peter Chanel that have been offering the TLM. The pastor however isn’t amoung the three priests.The pastor said that the TLM was only on experimental basis. I said to my wife the Holy Father never said that! My wife said “we aren’t a bunch of lab mice.” This is a very disturbing situation and I will not take this lightly! As far as 9000 people attending one NO Mass, that is impossible in the main Church or the old Church, they all wouldn’t fit. We have 5 Spanish Masses , 3 English Masses on Sundays and a Saturday vigil Mass. The TLM was offered at 1pm in the old Church building and some Sundays it was pretty pack sometimes reaching 300 people .This past Sunday I know personally about 40 people who regularly attend the TLM weren’t there because of illness or were out of town. My heart also goes out to the several altar boys who have trained very hard to serve this Mass. I know they are heartbroken! as many of us who appreciate this form of The Holy Mass.
 
Catholig said:
Today after the Tridentine Mass it was announced that there will no longer be any public celebration of the Tridentine Mass at my parish. My parish isn’t a diocesan parish, but rather part of a religious order, and therefore in obedience to their superiors are canceling the Tridentine Mass. The pastor also said, that while this fact wasn’t used in deciding whether or not it should continue to be celebrated, only 170-200 people attended as opposed to the 9000 who attend any 1 vernacular mass. I’m a bit bummed, but not mad. I just feel it’s sad that we now have to find another (out of the way) parish if we want to attend a Tridentine Mass (this parish was 10 min away if that).

Catholig
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I am SO sorry. It seems to me that 200 people consistently is more than enough. Which religious order is doing this. (Sounds like the Jesuits??) I hope that some of you will protest this. It isn’t right.
 
Alexios said:
I bet they’re Jesuits or Trappists! (Just guessing…)

I’m sure the poster meant 900, not 9000. Anyway it shouldn’t matter whether there are 200 or 20 people at the Traditional Mass. If a priest is willing and able and competent, he can celebrate it.
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I’ll bet he meant 9000 total at all of the masses. Catholig, which is it?
 
. We are in the Diocese of Los Angeles with Cardinal Roger Mahony as our bishop.
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I am so sorry. 😉
I have been attending this Mass since it started in October. My family and I are very upset at what as taken place. We are not going to find another parish that has a TLM, as the pastor Fr. Larry Darnell has suggested. This is our parish and we are not going to drive all over southern California! The Superior General Fr. Patrice Veraquin of The Oblates of The Blessed Virgin has forbbiden the TLM here because he Fr. Patrice Veraquin said he doesn’t like what is going on and he said he was in contact with someone in The Vatican and based his descion on this supposed person’s consultation. I asure you , that it wasn’t our Holy Father!!!
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PLEASE do fight this. Pope Benedict gave our Bishops a warning, it was couched in love & warmth…but it’s a warning anyway. He needs to know which Bishops & Religious orders are not cooperating. From the text of his letter to the Bishops:

“Nothing is taken away, then, from the authority of the bishop, whose role remains that of being watchful that all is done in peace and serenity. Should some problem arise which the parish priest cannot resolve, the local ordinary will always be able to intervene, in full harmony, however, with all that has been laid down by the new norms of the "motu proprio.” http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=24633
Cardinal Roger Mahony has to provide our parish with a priest that will offer this Mass. If the Cardinal doesn’t, The Ecclesia Dei Commision in the Vatican will get involved in the matter. To note we have three Oblate priests out of the six priests here at St. Peter Chanel that have been offering the TLM. The pastor however isn’t amoung the three priests.The pastor said that the TLM was only on experimental basis. I said to my wife the Holy Father never said that! My wife said “we aren’t a bunch of lab mice.” This is a very disturbing situation and I will not take this lightly!
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Good for you. It’s a battle that many of us will have to wage, I fear. Most of us know what happened with the indult given by John Paul in 1984. The Bishops just didn’t use it. Thank you for your great example.

btw. IF the Motu Proprio is on a trial basis, (& there is nothing to suggest that it is) the time is not up. The Bishops were told to report the results of their implementation of the Motu Proprio to the Pope in THREE YEARS, not 6 months.
 
What it looks like to me is that we are going to need men to stand up and say “ordain me, I will serve”. I understand that a Bishop wants to look after the wellbeing of all parishoners but that includes those that want Mass in Latin. We will need Bishops who will not stand in the way of the Church’s law. We will need priest, maybe even an whole new batch, that are willing to serve. Get the word out. There is a need and that need needs to be filled.

Not that I am saying I actually want it to go this far, but just as a hypothetical, it would really impress upon the minds of everyone just how serious the Holy Father is about this if he refused to elevate any new Bishops except those stated they would not interfere with the Latin Masses in their dioceses. Again, the Holy Father makes that choice not me but if he did this heads would pop up and listen.

If it is a cost issue, then I suggest creating an endowment to fund the Mass. I can’t see how it could be a time issue, especially since so many Priest are skipping big sections of their Breviary every day.

There is also the idea that perhaps they stopped because of criticism from those who are opposed to the Latin Mass. That would not be a good reason either and we need to let them know that.
 
Captain_Mike said:
. We are not going to find another parish that has a TLM, as the pastor Fr. Larry Darnell has suggested. This is our parish and we are not going to drive all over southern California! The Superior General Fr. Patrice Veraquin of The Oblates of The Blessed Virgin has forbbiden the TLM here because he Fr. Patrice Veraquin said he doesn’t like what is going on and he said he was in contact with someone in The Vatican and based his descion on this supposed person’s consultation. I asure you , that it wasn’t our Holy Father!!! Cardinal Roger Mahony has to provide our parish with a priest that will offer this Mass. If the Cardinal doesn’t, The Ecclesia Dei Commision in the Vatican will get involved in the matter. .
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a general observation, and this quote is meant to give an example of what I mean, rather than to specifically address the poster.

if, in general, participation in the TLM is sought as a means of protesting against the authority of one’s bishop and pastor, if participation in the TLM, for me, is an expression of my negative opinion of my bishop or pastor, and a visible means of protest against their authority, then my participation in TLM is wrong for me, spiritually dangerous, undertaken for base motives and should be abandoned until such time as I can return to the spirit of obedience and humility. If I am seeking a TLM for my personal piety and reverence for the Mass, that is a good thing. If I am seeking it for my personal preference and pleasure, and in a spirit of disobedience, that is an evil and I must seek spiritual direction to return to obedience and submission to due authority.
 
puzzleannie said:
if, in general, participation in the TLM is sought as a means of protesting against the authority of one’s bishop and pastor, if participation in the TLM, for me, is an expression of my negative opinion of my bishop or pastor, and a visible means of protest against their authority, then my participation in TLM is wrong for me, spiritually dangerous, undertaken for base motives and should be abandoned until such time as I can return to the spirit of obedience and humility. If I am seeking a TLM for my personal piety and reverence for the Mass, that is a good thing. If I am seeking it for my personal preference and pleasure, and in a spirit of disobedience, that is an evil and I must seek spiritual direction to return to obedience and submission to due authority.
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That’s the best “take” on the issue that I’ve ever seen posted on this forum

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Good for you. It’s a battle that many of us will have to wage, I fear. Most of us know what happened with the indult given by John Paul in 1984. The Bishops just didn’t use it. Thank you for your great example.
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btw. IF the Motu Proprio is on a trial basis, (& there is nothing to suggest that it is) the time is not up. The Bishops were told to report the results of their implementation of the Motu Proprio to the Pope in THREE YEARS, not 6 months.
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PS. I forgot to include the link to Ecclesia Dei. They are helping my parish implement the Motu Propria, giving advice re. training all involved, (especially altar boys) for the Latin Mass… They’re probably EXPECTING trouble from Roger Mahoney…in any event, they won’t be surprised.
ecclesiadei.org/Suggestions.htm
 
Does anybody really expect the Archdiocese of Los Angeles to support the Extra-Ordinary Rite ?

It’s so out of date and it prohibits all those things we love, such as altargirls, emhc’s, happy clappy music, priests facing the wrong way, glass carafes, a no boundary sanctuary and liturgical dance etc etc…:rolleyes:

pax
james
 
=puzzleannie;3311855]a general observation, and this quote is meant to give an example of what I mean, rather than to specifically address the poster.

if, in general, participation in the TLM is sought as a means of protesting against the authority of one’s bishop and pastor, if participation in the TLM, for me, is an expression of my negative opinion of my bishop or pastor, and a visible means of protest against their authority, then my participation in TLM is wrong for me, spiritually dangerous, undertaken for base motives and should be abandoned until such time as I can return to the spirit of obedience and humility.
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I agree that IF the TLM if being used as protest…that is wrong & anyone who uses it thus, is profaning the Mass, itself.

For me, that is not the case. I live in Missouri & my Archbishop is Raymond Burke, who is behind the Motu Proprio 100%. I have no problem re my own “personal” hierarchy. However, I have seen things from SOME of our hierarchy, in the past 10 yrs., that I never thought I’d ever see. Bishops who, themselves abused children, Bishops who have had affairs with other priests, Bishops who allowed their priests to bring dancing into the sanctuary, Bishops who sat still why the EEM’S, the lay lectors usurped the duties & the responsibilities of the priests, Bishops ordaining homosexual men, so that they could keep their “numbers” up, irregardless of the words of John XXIII.

Obedience & submission are wonderful attributes UNLESS we give our obedience to people who are asking us to indulge in a type of worship that we do not believe is the best that we, as Catholics, can give to God.
 
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