No Muslims Allowed

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Bring back “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone”! Best error on the side of caution.
That might be a better way than saying a specific group is banned.
How will she know for sure if someone is Muslim or not.
If the 2 Boston bombers had walked into her gun range would she had known they were Muslims?

I think she has created some bad publicity for herself. This is her business and I respect her right to refuse business to people she considers undesirable, but she might be inviting trouble.
 
Toddlers killed more people than muslim terrorists in the U.S. in 2013.
Yes, but in other years (2001, for example) terrorists killed a lot more than toddlers.

Besides, if a toddler shoots somebody it is either a tragic accident or grossly bad judgment on the part of adults at worst. Terrorists deliberately set out to kill people. Big difference.
 
The owner state “No Muslims,” not “people who are barred by law from using a firearm and/or engage in a pattern of behavior that leads the owner/operator of the shooting range to conclude that it would be unsafe for them to fire a weapon, who happen to be Muslim.”

As for discrimination, the Church teaches that there is unjust and just discrimination. Concluding that just being a Muslim means they can be barred from a shooting range is an example of unjust discrimination.
i guess we are just going to disagree with each other. The owner had suspicious behavior from Muslims using the range. She also read and made attempts to study the Koran. She didn’t like what she read with the violent verses that I know you know are there. She made a preemptive decision based on owning a shooting range that she didn’t have anything happening in her business that would harm anyone. I view this as justified. This isn’t food service or housing or job related discrimination.
 
If Islam is the “religion of peace” that people (mostly liberals) claim it to be why would a Muslim want to go to a gun range? And why, all of a sudden, are liberals now calling it a right for someone to go to a gun range in America when before they were against it? Is it just because now it’s a Muslim that wants to do it?
If you are a Muslim, it is ok. If you are a law abiding US citizen, then no you have no right to practice your own self-defense.
 
Sounds Democratic and Free.

I hope he wasn’t a Christian.

If one looks at this story, the Fort Hood massacre, what has happened in Oklahoma City and that army recruitment center that was shot at somewhere around Mo. Tn. or Ark., I can see people being a bit alarmed about their own locality.
The Fort Hood shooter was a known radical Muslim that never should have been put in a position that he was in. He was put in as a therapist for soldiers dealing with PTSD. He was against the war and he wasn’t shy about it. He should have been kicked out long before he got the chance to kill others in the name of Allah. Sorry but it was political correctness that went amuck and instead of looking at what motivated him, it’s being swept under the carpet as work place violence. That is not justice to the people killed and harmed by this kook. Now again we have a private citizen that doesn’t want that on her private shooting range and well meaning but misguided people think that is discrimination. That is the same thing with the latest beheading in OK. He has fired for telling female co-workers that he was going to behead them if they didn’t convert. At least the business had the gut to fired him and the owner had a gun to take him out.
 
i guess we are just going to disagree with each other. The owner had suspicious behavior from Muslims using the range. She also read and made attempts to study the Koran. She didn’t like what she read with the violent verses that I know you know are there. She made a preemptive decision based on owning a shooting range that she didn’t have anything happening in her business that would harm anyone. I view this as justified. This isn’t food service or housing or job related discrimination.
Most firearm related murders are caused by men. I assume you would have no issue with her putting up a sign “No Men Allowed”? Most of these men are of a non-European ethnic group, no issue with “Whites Only” sign?
 
Well, to put a spin on this, if some heavily tattooed white supremacist skinhead types came to a gun range I owned, whether the law allowed it or not, I would turn them away. Of course, I’m not in that situation so I can’t be totally sure of how I would handle it.

It’s to some extent, what are you comfortable with and what is good for your customers.

The lady seemed to imply that customers were being scared away.
 
Most firearm related murders are caused by men. I assume you would have no issue with her putting up a sign “No Men Allowed”? Most of these men are of a non-European ethnic group, no issue with “Whites Only” sign?
Well, no men allowed, don’t tempt me. It isn’t either men or non-whites that are promoting off with your head you infidel, it’s a religion that is motivating these people. If I owned a gun range and non-US citizens came in playing Allah-akbar on their phone and I don’t live too far from OK and Ft Hood, I would do the same thing.
 
The Fort Hood shooter was a known radical Muslim that never should have been put in a position that he was in. He was put in as a therapist for soldiers dealing with PTSD. He was against the war and he wasn’t shy about it. He should have been kicked out long before he got the chance to kill others in the name of Allah. Sorry but it was political correctness that went amuck and instead of looking at what motivated him, it’s being swept under the carpet as work place violence. That is not justice to the people killed and harmed by this kook. Now again we have a private citizen that doesn’t want that on her private shooting range and well meaning but misguided people think that is discrimination. That is the same thing with the latest beheading in OK. He has fired for telling female co-workers that he was going to behead them if they didn’t convert. At least the business had the gut to fired him and the owner had a gun to take him out.
I see, so having a ringtone of “Allah Akbar” which for the vast majority of Muslims in the world has nothing to do with terrorism is the exact same thing as actually threatening to murder co-workers if they didn’t convert. :rolleyes:
 
Well, to put a spin on this, if some heavily tattooed white supremacist skinhead types came to a gun range I owned, whether the law allowed it or not, I would turn them away.

It’s to some extent, what are you comfortable with and what is good for your customers.

The lady seemed to imply that customers were being scared away.
that is exactly right. that is the point.
 
Well, to put a spin on this, if some heavily tattooed white supremacist skinhead types came to a gun range I owned, whether the law allowed it or not, I would turn them away.

It’s to some extent, what are you comfortable with and what is good for your customers.

The lady seemed to imply that customers were being scared away.
Notice how you had to be very specific in regards to your “spin”? You didn’t say some ordinary white guy who’s ringtone was Dixie, you said “heavily tattooed white supremacist skinhead”.
 
I see, so having a ringtone of “Allah Akbar” which for the vast majority of Muslims in the world has nothing to do with terrorism is the exact same thing as actually threatening to murder co-workers if they didn’t convert. :rolleyes:
Well, maybe the majority of Muslims which see that expression of their faith being misused should stand up to these thugs but I’m not seeing it in vast numbers, only a few tiny voices.
 
Well, no men allowed, don’t tempt me. It isn’t either men or non-whites that are promoting off with your head you infidel, it’s a religion that is motivating these people. If I owned a gun range and non-US citizens came in playing Allah-akbar on their phone and I don’t live too far from OK and Ft Hood, I would do the same thing.
So less than 10% of a portion of a population dictates what the population actually believes? Good to know. I guess the media is right and children aren’t actually safe with Catholic organizations (the percentage of child abusers within Catholic organizations is higher than the percentage of Muslim extremists).
 
Notice how you had to be very specific in regards to your “spin”? You didn’t say some ordinary white guy who’s ringtone was Dixie, you said “heavily tattooed white supremacist skinhead”.
It’s possible these guys looked real Muslim, what if they had thick beards, were wearing the hat and robes and had the “Allahu Akbar” ringtone?

I would reiterate, to an extent, a lot of Islam is a Governmental system, it’s not real clear this is discriminating against a religion but a thought system as well.
 
Well, maybe the majority of Muslims which see that expression of their faith being misused should stand up to these thugs but I’m not seeing it in vast numbers, only a few tiny voices.
Yes, because using an internet search engine to discover pages and pages of results for Muslims speaking out against terrorism is so hard to do. 🤷 But, why bother when the next logical response would be “well, they don’t really mean it.”
 
It’s possible these guys looked real Muslim, what if they had thick beards, were wearing the hat and robes and had the “Allahu Akbar” ringtone?

I would reiterate, to an extent, a lot of Islam is a Governmental system, it’s not real clear this is discriminating against a religion but a thought system as well.
Looked real Muslim? Please link for me the site that provides you with the official Muslim dress and grooming guidelines. I assume the site also has a set for Catholics. Wouldn’t want to not look like a “real Catholic.”

Also, how many of the Muslim extremists who carried out terrorist attacks in the US or Europe fit your description?
 
Um, how exactly is a video of soldiers going to a protestant church service countering his comment?
Are you sure that God is not on their mind when they slaughter the infidels? Does it even matter? We’re talking about hundreds of years of Christian conquest, colonization and occupation of these lands.
 
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