No Muslims Allowed

[TEPO]

I am not claiming that but considering her business and experience she already has had with Muslims coming in and acting suspicious, I understand why she took the stance she did. Until the peaceful normal Muslims stand up and take their religion back, then I still understand the owners decision.

…who’s to say that the peaceful Muslims hold more ownership of Islam though. Maybe that’s just the side we wish represented Islam. Without a steady history or even a modern leader, who knows what Islam really is besides hearsay.

Is the Koran being literal in its revelations involving violence upon Jews and Christians? If so, then it needs to be fully rejected. If its ‘figures of speech’, then footnotes need to be added to the Koran explaining that. But either way, 1400 years of mixed signals isnt any kind of charity. Its like a cruel joke.

…Someone’s being bamboozled.

 

[TEPO]

Sure. I guess you’d have a similar “understanding” if say business owners started putting up “No Priests allowed” or “No Catholics allowed” due to some priests abusing children.

Nope. Our book doesn’t say to do that. These double standards and the attempt to equalize all religions on the same level is Deism. This “equalization” of all religions is a kind of radicalism itself. Nothing is equal.

…this will be the core problem that America and the west will have to face in the future one way or another -at what levels are equal rights relevant? Do they exist beyond individuals?

Because as we continue to globalize, the time will come when equality stops working -and we’ll have to start making actual choices.

 

[TEPO]

We can either have global unity, with fairness all around, or we can keep building up to that point only to have everything fall apart due to nobody caring about anything because anything is right.

…we should talk to our friends, the Muslims here in the West to help us all figure this out together. We need to resolve Islamic indifference on how to properly interpret Islam. The time to step up to the plate is now.

 

[robwar]

…who’s to say that the peaceful Muslims hold more ownership of Islam though. Maybe that’s just the side we wish represented Islam. Without a steady history or even a modern leader, who knows what Islam really is besides hearsay.

Is the Koran being literal in its revelations involving violence upon Jews and Christians? If so, then it needs to be fully rejected. If its ‘figures of speech’, then footnotes need to be added to the Koran explaining that. But either way, 1400 years of mixed signals isnt any kind of charity. Its like a cruel joke.

…Someone’s being bamboozled.

I personally don’t but for the sake of argument that is why I wrote that. I don’t see where the violent side of Islam is a minority. One just has to look at the middle east and the way any of the 57 Islamic countries are run to realize that this is the case. The Koran is considered a literal interpretation. The owner of the business did read the Koran and study Islam according to her. Considering her business, the problems she already had with Muslims using the range and her own study and current affairs, I understand why she came to her conclusion. It has nothing to do with housing, food, health care. All those things would be discrimination. She didn’t want her range to be used as another training ground for terrorists. I get that, sadly others don’t.

 

[M-Dent]

It is when the individual you are talking with clearly has no clue as to the military. First indication you know nothing about the military- you trying to link a video of soldiers at a church service as a counter to- “Sorry but all those other religious groups are not going around and killing people in the name of their God.”

More that they understand quite well they may lose their life. No greater gift, as God noted.

And those who minister to military men and women know this more than anyone.

The work of chaplains is not confined to the chapel. They go wherever their people are—in a tent in the desert, on the deck of an aircraft carrier, in the barracks on base, on a fire-fighting line, in the VA hospital, in the halls of the Pentagon.

Because military service requires extraordinary sacrifices of those who serve and their families, chaplains strive to make themselves available and present, day or night, to offer guidance, education, and direction on Church doctrine or simply to listen. Through their words and actions, they provide a place where those in the military can take comfort in and draw strength from the sacraments and reflect on the responsibilities and challenges they have taken on to protect their fellow Americans.

milarch.org/site/c.dwJXKgOUJiIaG/b.6571371/k.5224/Catholic_military_chaplains_and_their_ministry.htm

Many of us are aware we Catholics pray the words once uttered by a military man who had a strong sense of sacrifice and humility.

"Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”

 

[twoshoes]

Saying that the tune will probably change is said not to expand debate but to insult some ones opinion you disagree with. If this woman does not want to associate with Muslims who as a religion are violent, then that is her right. Only in the world of Islam do people cut off the heads of people who disagree with their faith, I’ve never seen a servant of Jesus Christ cut off the head of a Muslim because they didn’t believe, it would be sacrilege, not expanding the faith. I stand with all the Christian kill in the name of Islam. Millions of Christians have been killed since year 2000, millions more driven out of their homes, forced to flee with nothing, all because they Love Jesus. My advice don’t bury your head in the sand in the name of being politically correct.

 

[ringil]

Hopefully he’ll ban people with ties to the IRA as well.

I don’t see that happening.

They aren’t as “scary”. THey are caucasian, speak english, and have customs which this xenophobic gun-range owner wont find offensive.

 

[ringil]

:nope: Sometimes I wonder if the next step in this country will be red crescent patches.

I suspect that millions of Americans would not object to this strategy.

 

[ringil]

In my acknowledgment of this very sad thread, I will go eat some yummy halal lamb at my favorite Pakistani restaurant today and show the owners and employess that I, ofr one, am not afraid of them.

 

[twoshoes]

Unless your are arguing that being a Muslim makes you a criminal, mentally ill, a minor none of the rest of your comment actually matters.

If a violent Muslim cuts of the head of a non-believer I would say he is a war criminal, or mental ill, as for the rest of his statement, it does actually matter it speaks to the violence of Islam it fits in with the book of Koran, the Koran advices to kill all infidels by violent means.

 

[Path_Finder]

I don’t see that happening.

They aren’t as “scary”. THey are caucasian, speak english, and have customs which this xenophobic gun-range owner wont find offensive.

What do you mean “They are caucasian”.

Do you have a source for the shooting range story that states the Muslims are not Caucasian? I’d like to read it please, maybe you can post the story.

Why do you single out white or as you call them caucasian people?

 

[ringil]

How about a ‘Western Edition’ of the Koran…? Just like the King James edition is a little different than the St. josephs edition.

…Just omit the parts in the West that talk bad about peoples and other religions. That would mean sending a message out that these things are no longer acceptable in modern Western world -since people tend to act on it. Maybe it will help.

…the radicals would be bamboozled.

And what about a Bible devoid of the numerous calls to violence?

Why do so afraid of things and people who are different than you are?

 

[Path_Finder]

In my acknowledgment of this very sad thread, I will go eat some yummy halal lamb at my favorite Pakistani restaurant today and show the owners and employess that I, ofr one, am not afraid of them.

Why is it a sad thread? If you see something you don’t like, you should debate it not just throw out a general statement that seems to be condescending.

You should state more clearer what is sad about it and quote specific posts, this is a discussion thread last I knew, not a judgement thread.

 

[ringil]

Okay, let’s say Ms. Morgan I believe posted quotes from Mein Kampf because it alarmed her, she receives death threats in email over this and soon after, 2 people who look like skinheads with Neo-Nazi tattoos or clothes on. Would one feel alarmed, Yes they would and that’s not mentioning the additional that supposedly, customers were being scared away or felt alarmed.

I find in this same forum one image of how two Rebels could look:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=912084

http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/M...sis_iraq_shakir_waheib_jc_140718_16x9_992.jpg

Take away the guns and other military garb, the face covering on one, if they are dressed in this way, again with the robes or cap too and come in days after I received threats for posting verses of the Koran on my website, yes, I might feel alarmed. This is possibly more about fear and security and safety than anything else.

No it’s about xenophobia, ignorance, small-mindedness, and discrimination.

 

[Path_Finder]

No it’s about xenophobia, ignorance, small-mindedness, and discrimination.

It’s interesting that you single out white people.

Do you think if people are of one race, they all think alike? I’ve never heard this.

Now do you have the source that backs up your assertion the Muslims in Arkansas are not white or do you assume Muslims are not white people?

The Tsarnaevs seemed to have been white.

 

[ringil]

Why is it a sad thread? If you see something you don’t like, you should debate it not just throw out a general statement that seems to be condescending.

You should state more clearer what is sad about it and quote specific posts, this is a discussion thread last I knew, not a judgement thread.

Instruct the ignorant.
Admonish the sinner.

Yes, I will certainly judge an advocacy of open discrimination as sad. In face I would use other descriptors as well.

 

[Path_Finder]

Instruct the ignorant.
Admonish the sinner.

Yes, I will certainly judge an advocacy of open discrimination as sad. In face I would use other descriptors as well.

Oh, you speak of discrimination but seem to make statements that seem to assume Muslims are not white people.

I saw no “advocacy of open discrimination”, I see people in fear of the governmental system you are defending when they cut the heads off of people and cut girls, yes, even Muslim girls in half.

 

[Path_Finder]

Instruct the ignorant.
Admonish the sinner.

Yes, I will certainly judge an advocacy of open discrimination as sad. In face I would use other descriptors as well.

Think of all those fighters who have gone to fight for ISIS from America, think of radical Muslims like Umar Lee of St. Louis. He has threatened beheadings as well and Umar Lee was arrested in Ferguson.

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/altmuslim/files/2013/06/Umar-Lee_sword.jpg

I guess he is a non-white.

 

[ringil]

Think of all those fighters who have gone to fight for ISIS from America, think of radical Muslims like Umar Lee of St. Louis. He has threatened beheadings as well and Umar Lee was arrested in Ferguson.

http://wp.patheos.com.s3.amazonaws.com/blogs/altmuslim/files/2013/06/Umar-Lee_sword.jpg

I guess he is a non-white.

Islam is a religion of peace. Terrorism is terrorism. More, many, many more Americans have have been killed by domestic non-Muslim individuals than the supposed, ubiquitous, bearded, “very muslim looking” guy.

 

[Path_Finder]

One may say “Allahu Akbar” is a commonly used Muslim phrase, to those who would criticize this lady for being weary of the ringtones, let us remember that “Allahu Akbar” is also commonly used when they execute people as well, too bad the Western media publishes stories of executions of people 300 at a time. We aren’t getting the politically correct impression.

And this is what is on the news, sure, there will be people who will interpret our perception of this as being discriminatory, merely because the news is reported.