No Muslims Allowed

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ringil said:
Islam is a religion of peace. Terrorism is terrorism. More, many, many more Americans have have been killed by domestic non-Muslim individuals than the supposed, ubiquitous, bearded, “very muslim looking” guy.
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Do you have that story link that the Muslims in this story from Arkansas are non-white? I think that was the issue here.
 
Path_Finder said:
One may say “Allahu Akbar” is a commonly used Muslim phrase, to those who would criticize this lady for being weary of the ringtones, let us remember that “Allahu Akbar” is also commonly used when they execute people as well, too bad the Western media publishes stories of executions of people 300 at a time. We aren’t getting the politically correct impression.

And this is what is on the news, sure, there will be people who will interpret our perception of this as being discriminatory, merely because the news is reported.
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It is being interpreted as discrimination is because it, in fact, meets the definition of discrimination.
 
ringil said:
It is being interpreted as discrimination is because it, in fact, meets the definition of discrimination.
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And the Islamic State is not Islamic too. Great lines.

No, you haven’t presented any facts yet, you seemed to state these Muslims in Arkansas were non-white, I still haven’t seen the backup yet. I have not seen any facts yet.
 
Sharia Law in countries or whatever rule of law they may have in Iran, this is why it seems Islam is as much if not more a system of Government. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan. The two are really mixed together.
 
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Path_Finder:
Should cops be able to profile black people because they have a higher percentage to commit crime?

Profiling is wrong based on race, age, sex, and religion.
 
ringil said:
Islam is a religion of peace. Terrorism is terrorism. More, many, many more Americans have have been killed by domestic non-Muslim individuals than the supposed, ubiquitous, bearded, “very muslim looking” guy.
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How do you know that the terrorists don’t represent true islam when there is no consistant historical evidence to prove otherwise… No current leader any more valid than another on the opposite side. How do we know we’re not just being overly optimistic?

…the truth is that both the terrorists and the non violent muslims both claim to represent true Islam. 🤷
 
ringil said:
Should cops be able to profile black people because they have a higher percentage to commit crime?

Profiling is wrong based on race, age, sex, and religion.
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Are you talking about the Michael Brown story? Here is the link to that discussion.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=911677

The lady in Arkansas alleges she was threatened for posting verses out of the Koran, these alleged Muslims also had Allahu Akbar on their ringtones which we know is something said during hundreds of Terrorist attacks and Beheadings.

Then, we are talking about the potentiality of someone who emailed her threats having access to a weapon at her business. There are special circumstances here.
 
Path_Finder said:
we are talking about the potentiality of someone who emailed her threats having access to a weapon at her business. There are special circumstances here.
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Yes, we are now reaching the point where equality in regards to religion may no longer be helpful in serving its original purpose. Evolution or ‘change’ must take place.

…but lets remember, there is no excuse for bundling all religions to an “equal” set of standards. No excuse for that at all.
 
TEPO said:
…who’s to say that the peaceful Muslims hold more ownership of Islam though. Maybe that’s just the side we wish represented Islam. Without a steady history or even a modern leader, who knows what Islam really is besides hearsay.

Is the Koran being literal in its revelations involving violence upon Jews and Christians? If so, then it needs to be fully rejected. If its ‘figures of speech’, then footnotes need to be added to the Koran explaining that. But either way, 1400 years of mixed signals isnt any kind of charity. Its like a cruel joke.

…Someone’s being bamboozled. :cool:
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If you want to know what Islam really is, ask the Church; and when she answers you, don’t start looking for a way to invalidate her answer because you don’t like a portion of her response.
 
M-Dent said:
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More that they understand quite well they may lose their life. No greater gift, as God noted.

And those who minister to military men and women know this more than anyone.

Many of us are aware we Catholics pray the words once uttered by a military man who had a strong sense of sacrifice and humility.

"Lord, I am not worthy that you should enter under my roof, but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.”
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That is my favorite part of Mass. Not just because of how that phrase completely captures my understanding of the Faith, but because it’s so easy for me to identify with the soldier and his understanding of authority and Who is the source of all authority.
 
TEPO said:
Nope. Our book doesn’t say to do that. These double standards and the attempt to equalize all religions on the same level is Deism. This “equalization” of all religions is a kind of radicalism itself. Nothing is equal.

…this will be the core problem that America and the west will have to face in the future one way or another -at what levels are equal rights relevant? Do they exist beyond individuals?

Because as we continue to globalize, the time will come when equality stops working -and we’ll have to start making actual choices.
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Your above in no way addresses my comment. The other poster stated he understood why the owner put up a “No Muslims” sign. I’m asking if he would have a similar understanding for a “No Priests” or “No Catholics” sign based on a similar illogical and frankly bigoted claim against all priests and all Catholics.

As for equality, you’re the only one trying to force that topic into this discussion. This topic actually has nothing to do with equality. It has to do with the Church’s teaching on just and unjust discrimination. The owner’s actions fall into the unjust discrimination category.
 
oldcatholicguy said:
If you want to know what Islam really is, ask the Church; and when she answers you, don’t start looking for a way to invalidate her answer because you don’t like a portion of her response.
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The only official teachings i use are from the current CCC. The CCC only mentions Muslims being invited to the plan of salvation through faith.

…The CCC does not claim the teachings of Islam as unchangeable. The CCC does not ever use the word “Islam” at all.
 
twoshoes said:
Saying that the tune will probably change is said not to expand debate but to insult some ones opinion you disagree with. If this woman does not want to associate with Muslims who as a religion are violent, then that is her right. Only in the world of Islam do people cut off the heads of people who disagree with their faith, I’ve never seen a servant of Jesus Christ cut off the head of a Muslim because they didn’t believe, it would be sacrilege, not expanding the faith. I stand with all the Christian kill in the name of Islam. Millions of Christians have been killed since year 2000, millions more driven out of their homes, forced to flee with nothing, all because they Love Jesus. My advice don’t bury your head in the sand in the name of being politically correct.
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So many errors and poorly thought out statements-
-“Muslims who as a religion are violent”- Actually the religion is called Islam; followers of Islam are called Muslims
-Islam is violent- well that’s a nice so generalized and unsupported statement as to be useless. Gee, I wonder if I can produce similar statements that I can easily justify with simplistic logic- The US is the most violent country ever- proof 2 Atomic bombs and the Indian Wars- wow, that was easy. Let me try again- Christianity is the most violent and oppressive religion ever- proof the conquest of the New World, treatment of Jews, Inquisitions, witch hunts, all the religious wars. Hey wow, this is so easy.
-Never seen a servant of Christ cut off the head of a Muslim because they didn’t believe- Apparently you haven’t read to many books on Christian-Muslim conflicts or, if you want a more recent event, what went on in the CAR.
-Cutting off someone’s head would be sacrilege- Method of execution- Not really. Beheading has a long history of usage in European history. Heck, England seems to be the leader in its usage for killing off it’s Kings and Queens.
-Cutting off someone’s head would be sacrilege- As executing someone for not converting/having a different faith- Sure, let’s for the sake of argument say you are right on this point. Now you just need to deal with how the accepted methods of execution were- burning alive, hanging, drawing and quartering, etc. But, I guess for some people simply cutting off someone’s head is much much worse than burning them alive or partially hanging them then cutting them open and showing them their insides.
-Millions of Christians have been killed since 2000?- Proof being found where? Last I heard the number for that time frame was estimated to be around 1 million and not all those deaths were caused by Muslims.
-Politically Correct- Yes, the catch all label commonly used by some individuals to try to disqualify another person’s position because their own argument lacks actual depth of support and evidence.
 
twoshoes said:
If a violent Muslim cuts of the head of a non-believer I would say he is a war criminal, or mental ill, as for the rest of his statement, it does actually matter it speaks to the violence of Islam it fits in with the book of Koran, the Koran advices to kill all infidels by violent means.
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Guess what Islam actually teaches about Muslims cutting off the head of a non-believer? Don’t want to guess? It teaches that a Muslim can’t just go and cut off the head of a non-believer just because said non-believer won’t convert.

But hey, why let the actual teachings of a faith form your understanding of it. Better to let a small minority of said faith’s members form your opinion. Since I don’t want to accuse you of dishonesty by using double standards I can only assume you view all Catholics, especially Catholic clergy, as child abusers. I say this because the percentage of child abusers within Catholic clergy is actually higher than the percentage of Muslims who murder (I’m being nice and expanding this from just beheading) non-believers because of the non-believer’s faith. You probably also view all men as rapists (which has a higher percentage than the other two).
 
Path_Finder said:
Are you talking about the Michael Brown story? Here is the link to that discussion.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=911677

The lady in Arkansas alleges she was threatened for posting verses out of the Koran, these alleged Muslims also had Allahu Akbar on their ringtones which we know is something said during hundreds of Terrorist attacks and Beheadings.

Then, we are talking about the potentiality of someone who emailed her threats having access to a weapon at her business. There are special circumstances here.
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Yes, and instead of asking these individuals to leave, or calling the police, she decided to put up a “No Muslims” sign. Makes about as much since as a gas station owner putting up a “No Blacks” sign because his store was robbed by a criminal who was black.
 
TEPO said:
The only official teachings i use are from the current CCC. The CCC only mentions Muslims being invited to the plan of salvation through faith.

…The CCC does not claim the teachings of Islam as unchangeable. The CCC does not ever use the word “Islam” at all.
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-If the CCC is the only document you use, then you are shorting yourself a lot of documents. You’re also placing the CCC above the Church. The CCC is a tool of the Church, it doesn’t tell the Church what it teaches.
-I never claimed the Church stated that Islam was unchanging or unchangeable. I said the source of actual authoritative knowledge on Islam is the Church.
-The CCC does use the term “Muslim.” If you can adequately define the term “Muslim” without needing to reference “Islam” I’ll be more than happy to view your comment with something more than a cheap word game.
-Also, the CCC never uses the term “Judaism” or “Hinduism”.
 
Gee, I wonder how many people actually know what the Church teaches about discriminating against someone just because of their faith. hmm…
 
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