No one is singing!

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RosalieM said:
I was in choir for 4-1/2 years. I have recently resigned for a number of reasons. I’ve also changed my parish for a number of reasons.
Last week, the cantor sang, as a recessional hymn, the tune that sounds like Cat Stevens’ “Morning has broken”. I saw a different composer’s name, the words were different; but all I could hear was Cat Stevens. I hesitated to sing the whole thing through and smiled at the cantor. Help, I can still hear Cat Stevens!:eek:
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Rosalie, “Morning Has Broken” is a legitimate hymn. Cat Stevens didn’t compose all the songs he sang. This hymn was written by Eleanor Farjohn in 1931. Cat gave it a few little ‘riffs’ in his arrangement (which I enjoy playing as a pianist but sure wouldn’t do in church!) but it isn’t ‘his’ composition. Don’t hesitate. 🙂
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Rosalie, “Morning Has Broken” is a legitimate hymn. Cat Stevens didn’t compose all the songs he sang. This hymn was written by Eleanor Farjohn in 1931. Cat gave it a few little ‘riffs’ in his arrangement (which I enjoy playing as a pianist but sure wouldn’t do in church!) but it isn’t ‘his’ composition. Don’t hesitate. 🙂
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However, there is some cause for concern if this tune is used for the Responsorial Psalm, as the GIRM notes that it should not be a hymn and it should have a metrical form to it.
 
benedictgal said:
However, there is some cause for concern if this tune is used for the Responsorial Psalm, as the GIRM notes that it should not be a hymn and it should have a metrical form to it.
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She said it was the recessional, not the Responsorial Psalm.
 
RosalieM said:
I was in choir for 4-1/2 years. I have recently resigned for a number of reasons. I’ve also changed my parish for a number of reasons.
Last week, the cantor sang, as a recessional hymn, the tune that sounds like Cat Stevens’ “Morning has broken”. I saw a different composer’s name, the words were different; but all I could hear was Cat Stevens. I hesitated to sing the whole thing through and smiled at the cantor. Help, I can still hear Cat Stevens!:eek:
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She probably sang “This Day God Gives Me”. The tune is BUNESSAN and has been used for hymns for about 100 years. It would be like me not singing “O Sanctissima” because the Smurf sang “Let Us Sing Together” to the same tune.
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Rosalie, “Morning Has Broken” is a legitimate hymn. Cat Stevens didn’t compose all the songs he sang. This hymn was written by Eleanor Farjohn in 1931. Cat gave it a few little ‘riffs’ in his arrangement (which I enjoy playing as a pianist but sure wouldn’t do in church!) but it isn’t ‘his’ composition. Don’t hesitate. 🙂
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I knew Cat didn’t write it because I saw another composer’s name. Still it seems he made it his own with its popularity. (more popular than a Smurf, that is)
The cantor was probably wondering why I was smirking.:o Oh well, I’m sure she didn’t dwell on it. 🤷 Anyway, there’s no way I can not hear Cat singing it when played.
 
Some folks might just be self-conscious about their voice, but it never sounds “true” from inside your head, anyhow. Let it out, it’s from God:)

ICXC NIKA
 
benedictgal said:
Thanks. I think I need to get these new glasses checked. I have not been able to see well. :eek:
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Time for bi-focals?😉 I find that if I’m on a regular computer I have problems – my optometrist explained that usually the monitor is too far for the bottom of my bifocals and too close for the top part. I have no problem with my laptop.
 
TrueLight said:
You know what’s funny? I usually pray the morning Liturgy of the Hours via my iPhone App, which has audio, and to my surprise the hymn for one of the days this week was “Morning was Broken”.
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Thanks for reminding me of that lovely song TrueLight! Cat Stevens is certainly a deeply spiritual human being, and I think we should consider him an honorary Catholic!
 
Phemie said:
Time for bi-focals?😉 I find that if I’m on a regular computer I have problems – my optometrist explained that usually the monitor is too far for the bottom of my bifocals and too close for the top part. I have no problem with my laptop.
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My eye doctor strongly suggested bifocals. I gave him “the look!” Like responding to that first letter that comes from AARP* at some point in one’s 40’s, grrr!*, bifocals represent the beginning of a slippery slope leading to trifocals, quadfocals, and eventually one is wearing lenses that resemble nothing so much as the compound eyes of a fly!
 
Faithdancer said:
My eye doctor strongly suggested bifocals. I gave him “the look!” Like responding to that first letter that comes from AARP, at some point in one’s 40’s, grrr!, starting to wear bifocals begins a slippery slope leading to trifocals, quadfocals, and pretty soon one is wearing lenses that resemble nothing so much as the compound eyes of a fly!
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I have the graduated kind and there’s no line of any sort. Nobody who doesn’t try them on can tell.
 
Phemie said:
I have the graduated kind and there’s no line of any sort. Nobody who doesn’t try them on can tell.
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I admire you Phemie! I myself am in permanent denial about all of this sort of stuff. But then, so was my dad. I watched him summarily dismiss county senior social workers who came to his door, at age 93. Then he threw the informational packet they left him into the trash!
 
Faithdancer said:
I admire you Phemie! I myself am in permanent denial about all of this sort of stuff. But then, so was my dad. I watched him summarily dismiss county senior social workers who came to his door, at age 93. Then he threw the information material they left him in the trash!
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What’s to admire? I happen to like to see and I’ve never understood that attitude towards bi-focals. I know 6 year olds who need them. To me donning bi-focals is no different from getting a dental bridge if you need to get a tooth extracted. It makes life much easier. Mind you certain places in my town offer seniors rebates for anyone over 50. No way I’m a senior yet! Talk to me when I’m 75.😃
 
Phemie said:
What’s to admire? I happen to like to see and I’ve never understood that attitude towards bi-focals. I know 6 year olds who need them. To me donning bi-focals is no different from getting a dental bridge if you need to get a tooth extracted. It makes life much easier. Mind you certain places in my town offer seniors rebates for anyone over 50. No way I’m a senior yet! Talk to me when I’m 75.😃
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75? That’s still middle age, in my book!
 
Oh, and I will admit, those over-55 discounts one can get at Sizzler and other places are starting to look more and more attractive!
 
Tantum_ergo said:
Rosalie, “Morning Has Broken” is a legitimate hymn. Cat Stevens didn’t compose all the songs he sang. This hymn was written by Eleanor Farjohn in 1931.
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I don’t want to rain on your parade but just a historical point of interest here: (perhaps this explains some of the hesitation to sing?)

Pope Pius X (Moto Propio on the Restoration of Church Music, November 22, 1903): “The language of the Roman Church is Latin. It is therefore forbidden to sing anything whatever in the vernacular in solemn liturgical functions—much more to sing in the vernacular the variable or common parts of the Mass and Office.”

Pope Pius XI (Officiorum Omnium, 1922): “The Church - precisely because it embraces all nations and is destined to endure until the end of time - of its very nature requires a language which is universal, immutable, and non-vernacular.”

BTW, Pius X was the same Pope who urged more participation and encouraged more frequent communion.
 
ProVobis said:
I don’t want to rain on your parade but just a historical point of interest here: (perhaps this explains some of the hesitation to sing?)

Pope Pius X (Moto Propio on the Restoration of Church Music, November 22, 1903): “The language of the Roman Church is Latin. It is therefore forbidden to sing anything whatever in the vernacular in solemn liturgical functions—much more to sing in the vernacular the variable or common parts of the Mass and Office.”

Pope Pius XI (Officiorum Omnium, 1922): “The Church - precisely because it embraces all nations and is destined to endure until the end of time - of its very nature requires a language which is universal, immutable, and non-vernacular.”

BTW, Pius X was the same Pope who urged more participation and encouraged more frequent communion.
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From Cat Stevens to Barbra Streisand (“Don’t Rain on My Parade”). . .😃

But I believe that Ms. Farjeon (who may have been high Anglican) may have written the hymn for children. Did you know she also wrote the advent carol, “People Look East?” Hymns and carols I think could be in the vernacular. I think also that even by the 1950s the low Mass could have a processional and recessional hymn that did not necessarily have to be sung in Latin, although I know that my 82 year old mother certainly remembers singing said hymns in Latin as a young woman.
 
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