No room for Pro Life Democrats

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lynnvinc said:
So I choose life – which is why I vote mainly for Democrats, since they are not CC denialists, and want to do things that will help save lives, including lives of the unborn.

In all honesty, I give it a lot of thought, and in the end my conscience will not allow me to vote for the Republican because of life issues.

It’s too bad that Republicans (and Democrats) cannot become more thoroughly pro-life (my unique definition, which includes all human lives). I sort of feel like a general sending troops into battle, knowing some will die…I just choose the candidate whom I think will cause less deaths or save more lives. And I don’t consider the born people and the fetuses dying from environmental harms to be less valuable than the fetuses slated for elective abortions. I just can’t do that, no matter what people say.

As for the woman who chooses abortion (whether abortion is legal or illegal), she will likely go to Hell, unless she repents. So even if we don’t put her in prison, she’ll get her due justice.
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How can you say that they want to save the lives of the most innocent? Why don’t you ask the “fetus” as you insist on calling them what pro life and what pro death mean to them?
 
lynnvinc said:
So I choose life – which is why I vote mainly for Democrats, since they are not CC denialists, and want to do things that will help save lives, including lives of the unborn.

In all honesty, I give it a lot of thought, and in the end my conscience will not allow me to vote for the Republican because of life issues.

It’s too bad that Republicans (and Democrats) cannot become more thoroughly pro-life (my unique definition, which includes all human lives). I sort of feel like a general sending troops into battle, knowing some will die…I just choose the candidate whom I think will cause less deaths or save more lives. **And I don’t consider the born people and the fetuses dying from environmental harms to be less valuable than the fetuses slated for elective abortions. **I just can’t do that, no matter what people say.

As for the woman who chooses abortion (whether abortion is legal or illegal), she will likely go to Hell, unless she repents. So even if we don’t put her in prison, she’ll get her due justice.
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Do you have information about the number of unborn babies killed by environmental harms in the US?
 
ProVobis said:
It’s Latin, the language of anatomy.

I don’t believe you guys. 🤷
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I really think you know what we mean. Those Catholics married to their party, following the lead of their party, usually use fetus instead of human being, to ease their conscience.
 
dmelosi said:
I really think you know what we mean. Those Catholics married to their party, following the lead of their party, usually use fetus instead of human being, to ease their conscience.
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As opposed to the use of phrases like rape, incest, etc. I suppose.
 
Assuming that Republicans will keep their promises to do something substantive to stop abortion (which hasn’t happened in the 43 years since Roe v. Wade, nor is it likely to happen now, but just for the heck of it)…

Democratic policies kill human beings through abortion. But Republican policies kill human beings through lack of access to health care, wars and lack of regulations of dangerous work conditions, among other things.

Really, the only thing to choose is whether human beings will be killed after they are born, when they and others will suffer, or before birth, with no suffering unless the mother feels guilty. Except, of course, with late-term abortions, which are usually illegal anyway. Sorry to be harsh but that’s the truth of it.
 
billsannie said:
Assuming that Republicans will keep their promises to do something substantive to stop abortion (which hasn’t happened in the 43 years since Roe v. Wade, nor is it likely to happen now, but just for the heck of it)…

Democratic policies kill human beings through abortion. But Republican policies kill human beings through lack of access to health care, wars and lack of regulations of dangerous work conditions, among other things.

Really, the only thing to choose is whether human beings will be killed after they are born, when they and others will suffer, or before birth, with no suffering unless the mother feels guilty. Except, of course, with late-term abortions, which are usually illegal anyway. Sorry to be harsh but that’s the truth of it.
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Your statement about policies killing human beings after they are born is really stretching it with not even an ounce of truth. The comment about democratic policies on abortion, over 1 million human beings killed a year.
 
billsannie said:
Assuming that Republicans will keep their promises to do something substantive to stop abortion (which hasn’t happened in the 43 years since Roe v. Wade, nor is it likely to happen now, but just for the heck of it)…

Democratic policies kill human beings through abortion. But Republican policies kill human beings through lack of access to health care, wars and lack of regulations of dangerous work conditions, among other things.

Really, the only thing to choose is whether human beings will be killed after they are born, when they and others will suffer, or before birth, with no suffering unless the mother feels guilty. Except, of course, with late-term abortions, which are usually illegal anyway. Sorry to be harsh but that’s the truth of it.
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Id like to see some kind of evidence Republican policies kill people. We do know for sure one democrat policy that kills one and wounds another.
 
Generally speaking no room for traditional Democrats in the Democratic party anymore…
The globalism agenda is on their table.
 
Michael68 said:
Id like to see some kind of evidence Republican policies kill people. We do know for sure one democrat policy that kills one and wounds another.
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I truly believe that Catholic democrats married to their party say these things to ease their conscience as their unwavering support emboldens the democratic party’s platform on this life or death issue.
 
dmelosi said:
Your statement about policies killing human beings after they are born is really stretching it with not even an ounce of truth. The comment about democratic policies on abortion, over 1 million human beings killed a year.
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How am I stretching it? People die from lack of healthcare. IIRC, most if not all of the states that refused to expand Medicaid were Republican-led. That policy has certainly killed people. I’ll grant that which party is more warlike is debatable, but one of the things that is also debatable is whether the U.S. invaded the Middle East more to stop ISIS or to get oil. Many deaths there. And the Republican Party does love to regulate business. Workplace accidents kill their share of people too.

I agree that the abortion rate is more than tragic. But however much we hate it, most Americans want at least some abortions to be legal. Changing minds is possible, but it will take a long time and a lot of work. In the meantime, isn’t it a good thing to save those lives that can be saved?
 
Stretch 1 any real stats?
billsannie said:
How am I stretching it? People die from lack of healthcare. IIRC,
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Stretch 2 any real stats?
most if not all of the states that refused to expand Medicaid were Republican-led. That policy has certainly killed people.
I’ll grant that which party is more warlike is debatable, but one of the things that is also debatable is whether the U.S. invaded the Middle East more to stop ISIS or to get oil. Many deaths there.
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Outright wrong on this next one, very provable that it is the democrats that over regulate
Do you have any stats on Workplace accidents because of lack of regulation if you did mean democrats?
And the Republican Party does love to regulate business. Workplace accidents kill their share of people too.
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This next one…it is very hard to change minds when those democrats married to their party do all they can to support their party, even though it means making the killing of the most innocent the norm.
I agree that the abortion rate is more than tragic. But however much we hate it, most Americans want at least some abortions to be legal. Changing minds is possible, but it will take a long time and a lot of work. In the meantime, isn’t it a good thing to save those lives that can be saved?
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St_Francis said:
Do you have information about the number of unborn babies killed by environmental harms in the US?
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They say about half the miscarriages are due to environmental harms, like pollution and toxins in our household and personal care products.

But these are not the only deaths from env harms, and we are teetering on the brink of scrapping the EPA and all our env regulatory enforcement abilities (which I strongly suspected would happen with Trump and associations – in fact I saw that as one of their main goals, so as to favor big,dirty corps and alliances – money over life).

We are talking about annihilating a huge portion of humanity from climate change over the centuries by tipping the world into a life-inhospitable state, and we don’t have much time to turn this Titanic around, and there are likely harms in the pipes for decades and centuries even if we were to suddenly do the right things. The only thing we could do now with God’s abundant grace inspiring and guiding our intense efforts is cut the losses.

And CC is just one of many very serious environmental harms we are now plunging headlong into that put human lives at risk.

God gave us what we need: healthy air to breathe, water to drink, food to eat, and a life-sustaining climate to produce food. We were commanded in Genesis to take care of the garden, not destroy it, causing death to many around the world (esp the poor) and to future generations for 100s, even 1000s of years.

Anyone who would have known or strongly suspected these extreme risks to life that a Trump presidency would bring – I would not call that person “pro-life,” not by my definition for 40+ years which has always included all human lives.

Just as it unfortunately seems there is no room for Pro-Life (meaning anti-abortion) Democrats, there is no room for more thoroughly pro-life (including all human lives) Republicans the way that party is today and the candidates they put forward for our voting consideration – anti-environment, CC denialist.

So, a pox on both parties. 😦
 
billsannie said:
Assuming that Republicans will keep their promises to do something substantive to stop abortion (which hasn’t happened in the 43 years since Roe v. Wade, nor is it likely to happen now, but just for the heck of it)…

Democratic policies kill human beings through abortion. But Republican policies kill human beings through lack of access to health care, wars and lack of regulations of dangerous work conditions, among other things.

Really, the only thing to choose is whether human beings will be killed after they are born, when they and others will suffer, or before birth, with no suffering unless the mother feels guilty. Except, of course, with late-term abortions, which are usually illegal anyway. Sorry to be harsh but that’s the truth of it.
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As others have noted - you have zip for data to back up your assertions - and I would ask you what you consider “something substantive to stop abortion” to be? How about risking your elected position to stop the most heinous abortion procedure … not once but three times - by Republicans … 1995, 1997 - both vetoed by Clinton - your party … 2003 signed by Bush … immediately the legal challenges began by guess which side :confused:

and that is just at the Federal level … State level is much the same … Laws requiring informed consent and ultrasounds - fought tooth and nail … laws requiring abortion doctors have hospital attending rights and abortion clinics meet the same standards as every other medical clinic - fought tooth and nail …

Republican policies do not kill people - to have a real example of that kind of policy influence look to the banning of DDT to save the brown pelicans and other birds [a laudable purpose] - but one which caused the death of millions of people …
 
YADA said:
…Republican policies do not kill people - to have a real example of that kind of policy influence look to the banning of DDT to save the brown pelicans and other birds [a laudable purpose] - but one which caused the death of millions of people …
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DDT, another thing that causes miscarriages – see sciencenews.org/article/ddt-linked-miscarriages

And health harms to born people as well:

-breast & other cancers
-miscarriages & low birth weight
-developmental delay
-nervous system & liver damage

See panna.org/take-action/online-action-center

No ‘Silver Bullet’ for Malaria Control

The only remaining legal use of DDT is to control malaria-carrying mosquitoes. A devastating disease, malaria kills more than 800,000 people every year, the majority of deaths among children in Sub-Saharan Africa. Indoor spraying with DDT is one of a number of tools being used to control malaria around the world. Only in rare cases is it the most effective choice.*
 
The same old charge of “Republicans want dirty air and dirty water” is not truthful. It wasn’t true then, and its not true now. A lot of these deaths you are blaming on Republicans are avoidable accidents. Accidents do happen
 
lynnvinc said:
DDT, another thing that causes miscarriages – see sciencenews.org/article/ddt-linked-miscarriages

And health harms to born people as well:

-breast & other cancers
-miscarriages & low birth weight
-developmental delay
-nervous system & liver damage

See panna.org/take-action/online-action-center

No ‘Silver Bullet’ for Malaria Control

The only remaining legal use of DDT is to control malaria-carrying mosquitoes. A devastating disease, malaria kills more than 800,000 people every year, the majority of deaths among children in Sub-Saharan Africa. Indoor spraying with DDT is one of a number of tools being used to control malaria around the world. Only in rare cases is it the most effective choice.*
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Yes - I remember DDT and all of the reasons … but that policy had consequences … I did not mean DDT was good or should not have been banned … I was just using this as an example of a policy that caused deaths - measured and studied - reportable - which the poster with their “Republican policies kill human beings” with their policies cannot produce an example for with any statistics … :rolleyes:
 
dmelosi said:
Not sure how that relates to anything in the post???
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Doesn’t surprise me. Rape and incest seem to be now accepted as justification for abortions in the Republican circles. But they are human beings too, aren’t they?

I happen to live in Henry Hype’s old district and defended his use of exceptions in the Amendment before the local prolife President. But I later realized she was right, an abortion is an abortion no matter what your rationale.
 
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