No Same-Sex Weddings at West Point's Catholic Chapel, Says Military Archdiocese

[Not_Sure_1]

I think all the prophecies are starting to join together now. The persecution is ready to start, the Mohammedans are invading Europe, Russia is growing in influence again, Arabia is in deep unrest, the Church is starting to be attacked in most countries, and some of the British are starting to come back to the true faith.
I remember some prophecy saying that a heretic country would convert, and unite Europe back to Catholicism. It is setting up to be Great Britain.

 

[BigFellaMick]

As with all prophecy, this is best taken with a grain of salt. But St. Malachy O’More of Ireland had a vision when he was in Rome that showed the entire line of Popes from Peter to the final Pope before Christ’s return. While he didn’t see faces or names he saw symbols. These were taken from his list of the final five Popes

The words of the 108th prophesy are “Flos Florum” (Flower of Flowers). The 108th pope after Innocent II was Paul VI (1963-78). His coat of arms included three fleurs-de-lis (iris blossoms).

The 109th is “De Medietate Lunae” (Of the Half Moon). The corresponding pope was John Paul I (1978-78), who was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its waning phase. He died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon.

The 110th is “De Labore Solis” (Of the Solar Eclipse, or, From the Toil of the Sun). The corresponding pope was John Paul II (1978 to 2005). John Paul II was born on May 8, 1920 during an eclipse of the sun. Like the sun, he came out of the East (Poland). Like the sun, he visited countries all around the globe while doing his work (he is the most-traveled pope in history).

The 111th prophesy is “Gloria Olivae” (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict had claimed that this pope will come from their ranks; Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil. The corresponding pope to this description is Benedict XVI

The 112th prophesy says: “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman), who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End.”

Reading that sounds like it’d be crazy but despite the many christians, catholic or otherwise, over the years who have predicted the end of the world (bearing in mind this prophecy doesn’t predict a date or time so maybe thats different? who knows?) but what’s odd is the fact that he made these revelations hundreds of years ago. Yet he seems to have accurate descriptions of the Popes we’ve seen in the last few generations? Describing Popes of the past or his day would make perfect sense but to go this far out into the future? Now its important to note that this is not required belief by the Catholic Church and personally I’m on the fence. That part of me that sees everything unfolding in the world right now, the fact that the Fatima Prophecy hints that Pope Benedict will be horribly persecuted (I certainly pray not!) and etc, maybe it all just fits the time too well? Prophecies or not, this world is in for a rough future. Maybe Christ’s return is coming in a few decades? Maybe it’ll be another five thousand years. Regardless, if just “feels” like something big is brewing. And I don’t think it’s something good. Anyways, just food for thought. Read it and think what you will of it:thumbsup:

 

[Teelynn]

As with all prophecy, this is best taken with a grain of salt. But St. Malachy O’More of Ireland had a vision when he was in Rome that showed the entire line of Popes from Peter to the final Pope before Christ’s return. While he didn’t see faces or names he saw symbols. These were taken from his list of the final five Popes

The words of the 108th prophesy are “Flos Florum” (Flower of Flowers). The 108th pope after Innocent II was Paul VI (1963-78). His coat of arms included three fleurs-de-lis (iris blossoms).

The 109th is “De Medietate Lunae” (Of the Half Moon). The corresponding pope was John Paul I (1978-78), who was born in the diocese of Belluno (beautiful moon) and was baptized Albino Luciani (white light). He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its waning phase. He died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon.

The 110th is “De Labore Solis” (Of the Solar Eclipse, or, From the Toil of the Sun). The corresponding pope was John Paul II (1978 to 2005). John Paul II was born on May 8, 1920 during an eclipse of the sun. Like the sun, he came out of the East (Poland). Like the sun, he visited countries all around the globe while doing his work (he is the most-traveled pope in history).

The 111th prophesy is “Gloria Olivae” (The Glory of the Olive). The Order of Saint Benedict had claimed that this pope will come from their ranks; Saint Benedict himself prophesied that before the end of the world his Order, known also as the Olivetans, will triumphantly lead the Catholic Church in its fight against evil. The corresponding pope to this description is Benedict XVI

The 112th prophesy says: “In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman), who will feed his flock amid many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people. The End.”

Reading that sounds like it’d be crazy but despite the many christians, catholic or otherwise, over the years who have predicted the end of the world (bearing in mind this prophecy doesn’t predict a date or time so maybe thats different? who knows?) but what’s odd is the fact that he made these revelations hundreds of years ago. Yet he seems to have accurate descriptions of the Popes we’ve seen in the last few generations? Describing Popes of the past or his day would make perfect sense but to go this far out into the future? Now its important to note that this is not required belief by the Catholic Church and personally I’m on the fence. That part of me that sees everything unfolding in the world right now, the fact that the Fatima Prophecy hints that Pope Benedict will be horribly persecuted (I certainly pray not!) and etc, maybe it all just fits the time too well? Prophecies or not, this world is in for a rough future. Maybe Christ’s return is coming in a few decades? Maybe it’ll be another five thousand years. Regardless, if just “feels” like something big is brewing. And I don’t think it’s something good. Anyways, just food for thought. Read it and think what you will of it:thumbsup:

I believe even though on every point we may or may not be completely accurate, that indeed we are living in very special times. Circumstances and world events are “lining up”. Like you said, this might go on for quite some time, or accelerate. The “end times” might last for a while or snowball on us fairly quickly. Regardless Jesus did tell us to “be aware”. He does in fact want us to have an idea of what’s transpiring in the world and how it all ties in with ushering in the end. I do believe that this is the time for his great mercy. Makes logical sense to me, as He wants to gather ALL His children. He’s calling them all back home to Him. And to do it before the day of justice comes. Just my belief, but I am inclined to think He will give plenty of time to gather His children to Him. (am hoping and praying for that anyway, as I know quite a number of people that ignore Him completely and think that THEY are the ones running the show) He told St. Faustina: “Woe be to those who do not accept my mercy, as they will have to pass through the door of justice”. He also told her that this was the time of great mercy, and to tell the world of His merciful heart.

All this being said, there will be a time toward the end that persecution of His people and His church will be greater than all the persecutions of the ages, and I am starting to wonder if we might be seeing just the tip of the iceberg. Archbishop Timothy Dolan has referred to the persecution of the Church when they passed gay marriage in NY. Pope Benedict has referred to the Church beginning the Passion. Many other Bishops have said that the Church will have to either succumb to the wishes of the State or Disobey in faithfulness to Christ. You have to put it all together, and see the handwritting on the wall. We might indeed hang in the balance for quite some time, or not. All this is up to the Lord. We are definitely, however, beginning one of the greatest spiritual wars of our time…as Pope John Paul ll said…“between the gospel and the anti-gospel, the church and the anti-church”. The recent Popes have been warning us and sometimes screaming at us! “When the leaves fall from the trees you will know that winter is near.” I do believe we see some leaves starting to fall.

 

[Donna_Nuova]

That same-sex weddings are not allowed at West Point’s Catholic Chapel is not a policy but a legal fact. Most Holy Trinity is the only chapel on any US military post that is NOT owned by the military. That is a peculiarity of its history. It was built by the Archdiocese of New York in 1899 and was operated by the ADNY until 1999. In 1999, a contract between ADNY and the US government transferred operations to the Army but the building itself remains ADNY property subject to restrictions that it remain exclusively a Catholic church.

There are really two points to the issue of same-sex marriages in the military. Even with the repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell and with the military allowing same-sex marriage in military chapels: 1. NO same-sex marriages will be performed by Catholic priests in military chapels of any kind because Catholic priests are not permitted to perform same-sex marriages and 2. NO same-sex marriages will be performed by Catholic priests at Most Holy Trinity at West Point because it is owned by the ADNY and under the jurisdiction of the Catholic Archdiocese of the Military Services–neither of which permit same-sex marriage.

Virtually all other religious facilities on military bases were built by the US government and are non-denominational. One exception is the Jewish Chapel at West Point which was built by private money but then donated to the US government. There was a Catholic chapel at Fort Leavenworth but it burned down in the 1990s and not re-built.

 

[Blossoming]

I think all the prophecies are starting to join together now. The persecution is ready to start, the Mohammedans are invading Europe, Russia is growing in influence again, Arabia is in deep unrest, the Church is starting to be attacked in most countries, and some of the British are starting to come back to the true faith.
I remember some prophecy saying that a heretic country would convert, and unite Europe back to Catholicism. It is setting up to be Great Britain.

It will be interesting to see if that comes to pass. It’s entirely possible.

 

[DJ_Pius_X]

I think all the prophecies are starting to join together now. The persecution is ready to start, the Mohammedans are invading Europe, Russia is growing in influence again, Arabia is in deep unrest, the Church is starting to be attacked in most countries, and some of the British are starting to come back to the true faith.
I remember some prophecy saying that a heretic country would convert, and unite Europe back to Catholicism. It is setting up to be Great Britain.

Political views aside, please don’t call Muslims “Mohammedans”. That is an antiquated term that amounts to a religious slur today. Just because we as Catholics believe something different from them gives us no right to insult them.

 

[edwest2]

Things are getting better between the Russian government and the Orthodox Church.

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=12034

Remember, in the 1960s, the US government constantly warned its citizens that we had 20 to 30 minutes tops to find a fallout shelter. Russian ICBMs would destroy our major cities, government and industrial centers. We enjoyed our lives back then nonetheless.

Have faith in God.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

Oh boy! I wonder if the ACLU will be all over this?

No, they won’t.

 

[Rich_Olszewski]

That is good news. Wonder about Air Force Acadamy and Annapolis.

Their chapels are not Catholic chapels, but non-denominational, shared by other faiths.

 

[Holly3278]

Good! Same sex “weddings” shouldn’t happen anywhere, much less in a Catholic church!

 

[Chipper]

Political views aside, please don’t call Muslims “Mohammedans”. That is an antiquated term that amounts to a religious slur today. Just because we as Catholics believe something different from them gives us no right to insult them.

This seems strange to me. If you are defending Islam, then why is a derivative of Mohammed a slur?

Although I don’t ever intend to defend Islam, just saying what you said sounds illogical to me!

 

[DJ_Pius_X]

This seems strange to me. If you are defending Islam, then why is a derivative of Mohammed a slur?

Although I don’t ever intend to defend Islam, just saying what you said sounds illogical to me!

Because “Mohammedan” has connotations of worshiping Mohammad. Frankly, I am not here to debate semantics with you. As Catholics it is our duty to treat our sisters and brothers of different faiths with respect. It is considered a slur by the group to which it refers.

 

[Corki]

Because “Mohammedan” has connotations of worshiping Mohammad. Frankly, I am not here to debate semantics with you. As Catholics it is our duty to treat our sisters and brothers of different faiths with respect. It is considered a slur by the group to which it refers.

It has no more connotation of** worshiping **Mohammed than the term Calvanist means worshipping John Calvin. It simply means a follower of Mohammad.

I looked it up.

Mohammedan (also spelled Muhammadan, Mahommedan, Mahomedan or Mahometan) is a Western term for a follower of the Islamic prophet Muhammad.[1] As an archaic English language term, it is used as both a noun and an adjective, meaning belonging or relating to, either Muhammad or the religion, doctrines, institutions and practices that he established.[2][3] The word was formerly common in western usage, but the terms Muslim and Islamic are more common today.

I checked three different dictionaries. Nowhere did I find any indication of it being considered a slur or disrespectful - only that it is an older word, now most replaced by Muslim or Islamic (as noted above).

I respect that you may not like the word personally but we shouldn’t elevate everything that is less commonly understood to the level of offense.

 

[DJ_Pius_X]

It has no more connotation of** worshiping **Mohammed than the term Calvanist means worshipping John Calvin. It simply means a follower of Mohammad.

I looked it up.

I checked three different dictionaries. Nowhere did I find any indication of it being considered a slur or disrespectful - only that it is an older word, now most replaced by Muslim or Islamic (as noted above).

I respect that you may not like the word personally but we shouldn’t elevate everything that is less commonly understood to the level of offense.

All I know is that, having been active in my university’s Muslim Student Association, and having discussed the matter with my Muslim friends, they prefer not to be referred to by this word. Please don’t be upset; I am not trying to attack you personally or say that you are bigoted, I am only saying that we probably shouldn’t use terms for groups that members of said groups are uncomfortable using. As you probably know, Islam is very much about monotheism, and using the word “Mohammedan” has some connotations that Muslims of my acquaintance find uncomfortable.

 

[wisdomseeker]

All I know is that, having been active in my university’s Muslim Student Association, and having discussed the matter with my Muslim friends, they prefer not to be referred to by this word. Please don’t be upset; I am not trying to attack you personally or say that you are bigoted, I am only saying that we probably shouldn’t use terms for groups that members of said groups are uncomfortable using. As you probably know, Islam is very much about monotheism, and using the word “Mohammedan” has some connotations that Muslims of my acquaintance find uncomfortable.

I do agree that we should show respect for everyone. It is our desire that they all come to know the True Faith. We must not degrade or diminish anyone for any reason. We should not deny our faith before anyone or adopting their faith of anyone but Cahtolic only.

I dont agree with Cahtolic gathering with anyone of any other faith other than the Catholic faith and that includes anyone who is not a Catholic. But that does not mean we should not treat them with respect, because that is how God wants us to act. I dont believe in interfaith groups and dont believe that God called us to gather with those who dont have the same faith He gave us. That is agaisnt God and i dont aprove of.

 

[DJ_Pius_X]

I do agree that we should show respect for everyone. It is our desire that they all come to know the True Faith. We must not degrade or diminish anyone for any reason. We should not deny our faith before anyone or adopting their faith of anyone but Cahtolic only.

I dont agree with Cahtolic gathering with anyone of any other faith other than the Catholic faith and that includes anyone who is not a Catholic. But that does not mean we should not treat them with respect, because that is how God wants us to act. I dont believe in interfaith groups and dont believe that God called us to gather with those who dont have the same faith He gave us. That is agaisnt God and i dont aprove of.

Wow brah, you must have a hard time making friends.

Did Christ tell the apostles to stay locked up in their rooms? No, he told them to go out into the world and live in it. It’s your job to be good example of moral conduct, and to engage in dialogue, especially with your sisters and brothers of other faiths.

By the way, I’m not sure what any of this has to do with the term “Mohammedan”. All I see is you saying non-Catholics aren’t good enough to hang out with you. Didn’t JPII make friends with the Islamic extremist who shot him?

 

[bethndanny]

Virtually all other religious facilities on military bases were built by the US government and are non-denominational. One exception is the Jewish Chapel at West Point which was built by private money but then donated to the US government. There was a Catholic chapel at Fort Leavenworth but it burned down in the 1990s and not re-built.

Is there some reason you believe this to be true? There is a Catholic Chapel on the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center, as well as on Camp Lejeune.