Nolte: Last Week’s Fake News Epidemic Led by CNN, Politico, New York Times

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Am I the only one who sees the irony in Breitbart lamenting a “Fake News Epidemic”…so good to know that while we are still in re-run season on TV, there is fresh humor abound!
 
Breitbart slants right but it never contended that it was a middle of road news source.

I’d have no problem if the Times, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS came out and said sure we slant left.

Then it’s fair play.
 
gam197 said:
I’d have no problem if the Times, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS came out and said sure we slant left.
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But because “slant” is objective, this can never be realized in the mind of Trump and his supporters, who believe any criticism is the result of political bias.
 
Slant is not objective. Degrees of slant maybe. Who on these forums would believe that Breitbart does not slant right.

Yet for years ABC, NBC and CBS were the only news source. Did they slant or ever omit to a bias?

Who believes that a president can’t be criticize, very few I would think.
 
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You know, I don’t think getting a story wrong is fake news
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But this article is talking about stories that were not wrong. The complaint is that the spin conjured up by Trump fans was not applied in the first reporting. These fake claims of fake news are the root of epistemological chaos.
 
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epistemological chaos
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Let’s define.
Epistemic chaos occurs when all of a society’s previously agreed upon sources of knowledge are undermined or challenged by a significant portion of the population so that society is left without any generally trusted institutions that can function as providers or arbiters of truth.
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But this article is talking about stories that were not wrong. The complaint is that the spin conjured up by Trump fans was not applied in the first reporting. These fake claims of fake news are the root of epistemological chaos.
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So the people who bought it to the attention of the general public that the reporting of these stories lacks a great deal of true facts are to blame. Hmmmm.🤔
 
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Cathoholic . . .
Speaking of O’Rourke’s fundraising
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DIERM . . .
We weren’t…please start new thread.
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Sure we were.

O’Rourke’s report of a death threat against him by a Texas politician was fake. At least that is my opinion.

That was part of the phony news last week.

Q: OK Cathoholic. But how does that tie into O’Rourke’s dismal fundraising?

A: I think O’Rourke did that to manufacture headlines because of a failing campaign.

Failing in everyway. Including financially.

The media willingly took the fake bait. And maybe they should, with charges like that, in which case this one anyway, would be on Beto as the source of “fake” here.

Look. If you want to think of his complaint was regarding an authentic death threat because him and a Texas Legislator had a public difference, you go ahead and think that.

There was a lot of fake news last week by the usual suspects.

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DIERM talking about CNN and others and their slant on news being “objective” . . .

DIERM . . .
But because “slant” is objective . . .
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You guys just got done being served up two and a half years of a fake Trump-Russian Collusion narrative.

You (not “you” personally) just wasted almost 3 years of your life eating this up virtually nightly.

And now I have people telling me this is “objective” in the sphere of news.

Sure it is.

The conservatives have been telling you (again, not “you” personally) this for all three years, but you guys didn’t listen. You insisted Mueller was going to be some sort of savior politically speaking. He wasn’t.

It is now nothing other than a joke, a laughing stock.
A failed manufactured conspiracy theory. And it is still used for some democrat fundraising too.

If you want to call that “objective” reporting be my guest.

DIERM . . .
But because “slant” is objective,
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This is what Colt did say as reported by AP
Gunmaker Colt says it is suspending its production of rifles for the civilian market including the popular AR-15.

Colt’s chief executive officer, Dennis Veilleux, says it is not permanently ending production but believes there is already an adequate supply of sporting rifles on the market. He said in a statement Thursday the company will concentrate on fulfilling military and law enforcement contracts with its rifle manufacturing.
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DIERM . . .
No we weren’t…I’m not saying its not a good discussion, I’m just saying its piling on and detracting from anotherwise good thread.
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Fair enough (that you think that) DIERM.

But I’m going to disagree.

I’m OK with you and I disagreeing here. All is good.
 
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Look. If you want to think of his complaint was regarding an authentic death threat because him and a Texas Legislator had a public difference, you go ahead and think that.
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The Texas state representative had to go on so many news sources just to try and clear his name.
 
gam197 said:
So the people who bought it to the attention of the general public that the reporting of these stories lacks a great deal of true facts are to blame. Hmmmm.
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The fundamental question are:
  • does the reporting lack “a great deal of true facts”, or are nits picked as a vehicle to attempt to undermine an article?
  • is the motive of those “who brought it to the attention of the general public” doing do to improve the fidelity of the report or undermine it?
  • is the broader motive to undermine confidence in information gathering and reporting institutions in an effort to try to put partisan cant on equal footing with serious reporting?
 
gam197 said:
ABC reported the story
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They reported quite a bit more than you quoted, and not so much that it cannot be fully quoted
Venerable gun manufacturer Colt says it will stop producing the AR-15, among other rifles, for the consumer market in the wake of many recent mass shootings in which suspects used the weapon.

At the end of the day, we believe it is good sense to follow consumer demand and to adjust as market dynamics change," Dennis Veilleux, president and CEO of Colt, said in a statement. “Colt has been a stout supporter of the Second Amendment for over 180 years, remains so, and will continue to provide its customers with the finest quality firearms in the world.”

The company did not mention mass shootings in its statement about stopping production and instead blamed the indefinite pause in making the weapon on a “significant excess manufacturing capacity.”

“Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future,” Veilleux said.

Colt will continue to make weapons, including rifles, for the military and law enforcement. It will also continue to produce its signature 1911s and revolvers.

The AR-15, and AR-15-style rifles, have been used in a number of mass shootings. While it’s not clear if Colt was the specific manufacturer in the cases, the shooter in the Poway synagogue massacre in Pittsburgh killed 11 people with an AR-15.

Nikolas Cruz, who confessed to killing 17 students and teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Feb. 14, 2018, used an AR-15-style gun.

Twenty-six people were killed with the same type of rifle in a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, in February 2017.

Dozens of rifles, including AR-15s, were found in the hotel room where Stephen Paddock allegedly killed the most people in a shooting in modern U.S. history in Las Vegas in October 2017.

Colt’s Manufacturing Company opened in 1836 in Hartford, Connecticut, and is legendary for its Civil War-era revolvers, such as the Colt Walker, the Peacemaker and M1911.

The suspension of production already caught the eye of 2020 presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke, who recently called for a buy back of all assault-style weapons and said weapons of war had no place in the hands of civilians. O’Rourke mocked a photo posted on Twitter by the NRA saying he was increasing sales of AR-15s with a link to a story about Colt stopping production.

Several stores have stopped selling assault rifles in recent years in the wake of shootings, including Dick’s Sporting Goods and Walmart.
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What, precisely, are you objecting to?
 
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Let’s look at ABC reporting on Colt
Venerable gun manufacturer Colt says it will stop producing the AR-15, among other rifles, for the consumer market in the wake of many recent mass shootings in which suspects used the weapon.
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The fundamental question are:
  • does the reporting lack “a great deal of true facts”, or are nits picked as a vehicle to attempt to undermine an article?
  • is the motive of those “who brought it to the attention of the general public” doing do to improve the fidelity of the report or undermine it?
  • is the broader motive to undermine confidence in information gathering and reporting institutions in an effort to try to put partisan cant on equal footing with serious reporting?
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Why do you think?
 
Post #36 came in in between posts. It has nothing to do with shootings or gun lobby but simply what AP reported. Don’t make it up, just report when the manufacturer Colt stated.
Gunmaker Colt says it is suspending its production of rifles for the civilian market including the popular AR-15 an
Colt’s chief executive officer, Dennis Veilleux, says it is not permanently ending production but believes there is already an adequate supply of sporting rifles on the market. He said in a statement Thursday the company will concentrate on fulfilling military and law enforcement contracts with its rifle manufacturing.
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gam197 said:
Post 36 came in in between posts. It has nothing to do with shootings or gun lobby but simply what AP reported.
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I don’t understand your complaint, in light of the whole article, Can you be specific?
 
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Post 36 is too long, too wordy not what Colt president stated. He put out a two line quote and from this simple quote, they garnered all the rest.

Exact quote from USA
“The fact of the matter is that over the last few years, the market for modern sporting rifles has experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity,” Veilleux said. “Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future.”

The company will concentrate on fulfilling military and law enforcement contracts with its rifle manufacturing, Veilleux said, adding the company also is expanding its lines of pistols and revolvers.
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