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pnewton
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I was surprised that was not included that is one of our favorites and one of mine. I often do just the first part as a meditation hymn.
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benedictgal
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You’ve made my point. OCP takes too many liberties. There is no real oversight to sacred music. Therein lies the problem.Is that all there is?
Wow. A lot is missing.
Why is “Grant us peace” repeated three times?
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bones_IV
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I wonder if the people who sing this hymn mean achieving peace by violence?
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daeve
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What? You lost me.
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bones_IV
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“Let, there be peace on Earth, the peace that was meant to be.”
translation: traditional Christians are a bunch of warmongers
“let us walk with each other, in perfect harmony”.
translation: let’s legislate tolerance.
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benedictgal
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I think he was referring to “Let there be peace on earth.”
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daeve
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That’s reading an awful lot into some nice sentiments. I think I’ll continue to like that song and what I think it means.
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daeve
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Yep, that email included a quote that mentioned the song. I just don’t see any warmongering in the song. But what do I know? I like No Man Is an Island…and no, I’ve never heard it in church.
I like that!
Of course, the heavenly choir might be of a different opinion (take your choice…) :banghead: :bigyikes: :ehh: :crying: :whacky:
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verdigirl
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My dear, you seem to mistakenly believe that this is the official text for the Gloria and Agnus Dei in Spanish. Rather, I think you’re taking the text from the Gloria of the Misa Popular. And I’m not sure which setting’s text you’re using for the Agnus Dei. Who is the composer?
Take a look at the Misa Melodica.
Oh, and by the way, do you actually speak Spanish or not?
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peary
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I am betting that the Tridentine liturgy will make a BIG comeback until the music ministers and liturgists “get it”.We sing it at Mass. Complete with hand motions. I just stand with my head down and my hands clasped. It’s just about more than I stand.
The only thing worse is our hip hop rendition of “Lamb of God”.
All sense of reverence and awe is lost.
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verdigirl
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God bless him, and rest his soul! I take my hat off to people who step up to the plate, as unprepared as they might be!
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verdigirl
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I sincerely doubt it, and for the sake of the faithful’s “full and active participation,” I hope it doesn’t. We don’t have enough priests to go around anyway.
Perhaps it’s God’s will…
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peary
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OH NO!!
I’m a classically-trained musician and I LOVE the songs composed by John Foley and the St. Louis Jesuits. I cannot see where they represent the worst in liturgical music whatsoever. Sorry!
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verdigirl
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I’m with you there, on both points. The accessibility of the melodies opened my ears and my heart to God’s call to come back to the Church.OH NO!!
That setting for the Jesus Prayer…Take, Lord, Receive…from Lord of Light! Praise the Lord, my soul!!! Still gives me goosebumps!
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daeve
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I like a lot of the SLJ stuff, but not all. I like a lot of the old traditional songs, but again, not all. I think there’s room for both.
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peary
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Hey, careful. I used to work for GIA! LOL
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musicgal4jesus
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I was just looking at the original list… Battle Hymn of the Republic is not that bad, although it isn’t the best choice for the Mass. Others, like Lord of the Dance or Eat This Bread, are just plain terrible, no matter where they’re played.
In addition to the ones I just mentioned, I also abhor:
Pan de Vida (yes, they sing it partly in Spanish at my parish)
The King of Glory
Peace is Flowing Like a River
There are probably more that I can’t remember… Every time I think of that last one, I always think of it as being sung way out of key by the little old ladies at the local daily Mass…
In addition to the ones I just mentioned, I also abhor:
Pan de Vida (yes, they sing it partly in Spanish at my parish)
The King of Glory
Peace is Flowing Like a River
There are probably more that I can’t remember… Every time I think of that last one, I always think of it as being sung way out of key by the little old ladies at the local daily Mass…
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verdigirl
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I think your comment buttons it up very neatly…with the added caveat that the text should be sound. There are lots of the more contemporary songs whose text should be cleaned up, and there are lots of music ministers who could stand a lesson in delivery.
You hit the nail on the head!
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Cat
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First of all, I was evangelical Protestant for over 40 years, and I played piano in Protestants denominations from Lutheran to Reformed to Pentecostal. So I had a wide range of experience playing Isaac Watts, Phillip Bliss, gospel, modern (e.g., How Great Thou Art), and CCM Praise and Worship music.
I can assure you all that the music of the St. Louis Jesuits is NOTHING like Protestan music. NOTHING. Nada. Absolutely zilch in common.
Got it?
The melodies, lyrics, and most of all, the theology of the OCP/SLJ/Gather etc. are totally, completely, absolutely, positively DIFFERENT as night and day from Protestant music.
Have I made myself clear? OCP/SLJ/GATHER not equal to P and W, CCM, Gospel, Bliss, Gaither, etc.
I have no idea why some of you keep insisting that the OCP/SLJ/Gather music is “Protestant.” You are completely mistaken. Take it from a Protestant who not only played piano all her life in Protestant churches, but also wrote about 70 songs/hymns.
Nothing in common.
When my husband and I started attending Mass back in2000, we thought we had died and gone to heaven when we heard the music! The music (almost all out of the Gather Hymnal) was sooooo incredibly beautiful, and the lyrics so poeticalnd deep compared to what we were used to in our evangelical Protestant churches!!!
I actually sat and copied the words to Gather Us In in my datebook after a Mass. I liked them so much. I believe I was crying as I wrote them down. I would take them out at work or while waiting in a line and read through them. They were that special to me.
I think those of you who think that OCP music, St. Louis Jesuit music, etc. is “Protestant” have clearly never spent a lot of time in Protestant churches. I wouldn’t recommend it. If you think OCP/SLJ/Gather etc. is bad, you would think that most true Protestant music, especially the P and W stuff, is from the pit of hell. (It is my personal theory that much of P and W is generated by a computer, not a human.)
I can assure you all that the music of the St. Louis Jesuits is NOTHING like Protestan music. NOTHING. Nada. Absolutely zilch in common.
Got it?
The melodies, lyrics, and most of all, the theology of the OCP/SLJ/Gather etc. are totally, completely, absolutely, positively DIFFERENT as night and day from Protestant music.
Have I made myself clear? OCP/SLJ/GATHER not equal to P and W, CCM, Gospel, Bliss, Gaither, etc.
I have no idea why some of you keep insisting that the OCP/SLJ/Gather music is “Protestant.” You are completely mistaken. Take it from a Protestant who not only played piano all her life in Protestant churches, but also wrote about 70 songs/hymns.
Nothing in common.
When my husband and I started attending Mass back in2000, we thought we had died and gone to heaven when we heard the music! The music (almost all out of the Gather Hymnal) was sooooo incredibly beautiful, and the lyrics so poeticalnd deep compared to what we were used to in our evangelical Protestant churches!!!
I actually sat and copied the words to Gather Us In in my datebook after a Mass. I liked them so much. I believe I was crying as I wrote them down. I would take them out at work or while waiting in a line and read through them. They were that special to me.
I think those of you who think that OCP music, St. Louis Jesuit music, etc. is “Protestant” have clearly never spent a lot of time in Protestant churches. I wouldn’t recommend it. If you think OCP/SLJ/Gather etc. is bad, you would think that most true Protestant music, especially the P and W stuff, is from the pit of hell. (It is my personal theory that much of P and W is generated by a computer, not a human.)
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