Nominees for worst hymn

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Speaking of hymns sounding like other things, I have always thought that “Let there be peace on earth” sounds strikingly similar to the theme from “Highway to Heaven”. 😃
 
I just remembered another “hymn” that I hate: World Peace Prayer. Angry guns? What?:confused:
 
I think a far more logical conclusion isthat the thread’s title was bound to attract like-minded people. Misery, after all, loves company. I have conducted a proper survey at my parish and found most of the people there actually prefer the hymns that are here called the worst. A survey is only as good as one’s population.
Up until a year or so ago, I would have been hard pressed to not pick some of those songs as being among favorites - they were all I’d ever really heard in church. They are all I still ever hear at church, but I’ve now broadened my horizons thanks to the internet, what with things like blogs, websites, and youtube.

I highly doubt the vast majority of Catholics my age (20’s) have heard anything in Latin on a regular basis (if ever at all). I was a church goer for ten years before I ever heard “Ave Maria” or the Kyrie done in Greek. It’s not like people are fairly exposed to both traditional and contemparay music and then favor contemporary when asked. It’s more like they hear 90% contemporary and 10% of 19th Century hymnody and then favor what they know.

So a survey is only as good as the experience of the population. I’m actually shocked hymns like “Panis Angelicus,” “Ave Maria,” and “Tantum Ergo” made it onto the list as being favorite hymns - they are sung so infrequently that they must really leave an impression on people to be selected as favorites. I doubt Eagles Wings would make the cut if it were only sung once a year (and I actually don’t dislike Eagles Wings).
 
Although I almost never hear it, my vote goes to “Gather Us In”. It makes me think of “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald”.

Honorable mention goes to “You Are Near”. I am just not comfortable with the Ineffable Name being used, even in a hymn.

Justin
I’m going to remember that and burst out laughing the next time we sing it. I’ve got another… “Sing of the Lord’s Goodness” reminds me of “Take Five.”
 
Whenever I sing a wedding, I speak with the bride about her music choices. When she chooses music from the “worst/favorite” list, I know that at least she goes to church. Otherwise, she would not know these songs. The brides who ask for “good music” are usually the ones who come to church on Easter and Christmas, if at all. They’re choosing what they think Catholic music is, from their experience of the movies and TV. So there is a bit of a silver lining, at least so I tell myself.

We have recently had an ad campaign for the opera company trying to convince people that opera is really entertaining and that they should try it before they dismiss it out of hand. I really love the tagline, which could apply to classical church music as well - “Opera - It’s better than you think. It has to be.”

Betsy
 
In another forum, folks were invited to post their favorite hymns. Following the original poster’s vein, I now ask for candidates for the bottom of the barrel. Here are mine:

Pescador de los Hombres
Here I Am, Lord
Glory and Praise to our God
The King of Glory
Sing a New Song Unto the Lord
Lead Me, Lord
O Love of God/O Amor de Dios
Make Me a Channel of Your Peace
Bread of Life
Gather Us In
Song of the Body of Christ
Sing a New Church
Whatsoever You Do
They’ll Know We are Christians
On Eagles’ Wings
Lord of Glory (especially when they sing with a banjo)
Battle Hymn of the Republic
Though the Mountains May Fall
One Bread, One Body
We Remember
Hail Mary, Gentle Woman
We are the Light of the World
Pan de Vida
City of God
Ven al Banquete/Come to the Feast
Alabare

I realize this is a rather long list, but I’m sure that there are some other hymns that are worse.
I could do without almost all of these. I really like Pescador di Hombres, but it only sounds good to me in Spanish, and I would only want to hear it if I happened to go to a Spanish Mass. A lot of these hymns were the staple when I first joined the Church. As I was coming to understand God’s love for us more (I really didn’t know it before), I appreciated these songs. I still appreciate some of them- but only because of the memories they bring back. It didn’t take long for that appreciation to turn to annoyance because they used them ALL THE TIME. There is a rich treasury of sacred music- it would be nice if music directors would use all of it- not just the Glory and Praise music from the 60’s and 70’s- and not the same traditional hymns all the time either (Immaculate Mary is beautiful, but so are many other traditional Marian hymns).

I think my least favorite is Anthem. It is about us- not about God.
 
My least favorite thing about Advent… the New OCP stuff comes out. Uggh. I wish we would toss them and get something like the Adoramus missal or something like that.

Alot of the songs on this list are nice songs to listen too. But they fail in the ONE CRITERIA that liturgical songs: TO FOSTER CONTEMPLATIVE PRAYER ON THE MYSTERIES OF GOD AS A WHOLE AND CHRIST IN THE EUCHARIST. If the song distracts you with its beauty/fun/joy then it is not doing its job. Good liturgical music focuses the mind, it does not just give a person something to do. I love Gregorian Chants for Mass (Byzantine Chants are awesome too!) They focus the mind heart and soul on God. They foster prayer and as a plus are beautiful as well.
Pescador de los Hombres (Lord, When You Stood by the Seashore)
Here I Am, Lord
Glory and Praise to our God
The King of Glory
Sing a New Song Unto the Lord
Lead Me, Lord
O Love of God/O Amor de Dios
Make Me a Channel of Your Peace
Bread of Life
Gather Us In
Song of the Body of Christ
Sing a New Church
Whatsoever You Do
They’ll Know We are Christians
On Eagles’ Wings
Lord of Glory (especially when they sing with a banjo)
Battle Hymn of the Republic
Though the Mountains May Fall
One Bread, One Body
We Remember
Hail Mary, Gentle Woman
We are the Light of the World
Pan de Vida
City of God
Ven al Banquete/Come to the Feast
Alabare
Something I noticed as a theme in the lists: Many people said they like this or that as a young person, but not now. Could it be that a less formal, yet reverent music would be allowable for youth? I remember many of the songs listed here as inspiring my return to the Church many years ago. I don’t listen to them much now, however. So maybe it is just that taste changes with age.
I have noticed that alot of young people like me really respond to more solemn music, especially when you explain to them why you are using solemn music. We latch on to it like none other especially once it is explained to us as to why we should do it that way.
 
Whenever I sing a wedding, I speak with the bride about her music choices. When she chooses music from the “worst/favorite” list, I know that at least she goes to church. Otherwise, she would not know these songs. The brides who ask for “good music” are usually the ones who come to church on Easter and Christmas, if at all. They’re choosing what they think Catholic music is, from their experience of the movies and TV. So there is a bit of a silver lining, at least so I tell myself.
This is true up to a point. I think it’s an equal mix. I’ve known plenty of brides and grooms who don’t attend mass often, live with their fiances and often choose from the “worst/favorite” list. They only remember the music from the days in Catholic school. I’ve also experienced the same with bridal couples who have the same background as those and then choose the “good music” because they have more refined tastes or are classical musicians or work as music directors in church, but not necessarily everyday, practicing Catholics.

BUT, I also have known an equal amount of couples from both realms who really do attend mass and take their faith seriously, but they choose what they are used to or know. For instance, my husband and I consider ourselves very devout. I’m a professional musician and my husband is an amateur musician. We love “good music” and made sure to have liturgically correct “classical” music for our entire nuptial mass. It wasn’t about what we thought was right from TV or movies. We were really intent on having everything correct and spiritually driven as music is one of our major ways of praying to God, so we wanted to give Him our best.

So, I really think it’s an equal mix of practicing and non-practicing Catholic couples.
We have recently had an ad campaign for the opera company trying to convince people that opera is really entertaining and that they should try it before they dismiss it out of hand. I really love the tagline, which could apply to classical church music as well - “Opera - It’s better than you think. It has to be.”

Betsy
That’s a great quote!!! 👍 My grandmother always thought she hated opera, but never actually attended one, nor listened to opera. Now that I’m an opera/classical singer, she has attended my performances and loves it. She wants to come to all of my performances. She’s the perfect example of not realizing that it was “better than you think.” 🙂
 
I could do without almost all of these. I really like Pescador di Hombres, but it only sounds good to me in Spanish, and I would only want to hear it if I happened to go to a Spanish Mass. It is about us- not about God.
You know what’s funny about Pescador de Hombres? It was one of JPII’s FAVORITE songs. He even had it translated into Polish.

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I just conducted a (very) unscientific survey on this thread.

The posts which view the “new music” (written after 1965) disfavorably outnumber the posts which favor it by a margin of nearly 13 to 1.

The posters who like the “new music” (and who put their ages in their profiles) are for the most part either over 50, or younger than 19.

I suspect that we could draw the conclusion that the vast majority of us who are between 20 and 50----those of us who were cheated out of the beautiful heritage of pre-Vatican II music and who have had to endure this stuff for 40 long years----are sick unto death of it and would dearly like to see OCP just go away. Somewhere far, far, far away.
I’m curious as to where you classified me in your survey so I know what kind of music I’m supposed to like
 
Today at the end of mass, we in the choir were asked to sing Tantum Ergo and Pange Lingua for the lovely children’s first communion march, led by the priest with the Monstrance. The priest had put on a splendid robe right before this began.
After having sung mostly sappy songs through the mass (except for Laudate Nomen Domini)…these pieces bowled me over. The feelings they evoked were so…well, so deeply and beautifully Catholic. When we were done, the director was kind of wondering why it wasn’t being followed with “America the Beautiful” for Veteran’s Day. I love Veterans, but I’m so glad the mass ended on that note. I couldn’t speak well for a while. I guess I was on a spiritual high from the beautiful experience. As I walked away from our church on my way home, I looked at the dome with the majestic gold crucifix and thought to myself, …Yes, He’s there. He’s still there through all that’s happened and through all we’ve done and He’ll always be there. How reassuring the truly sacred music is. I pray we’ll have more of it!🙂
 
You know what’s funny about Pescador de Hombres? It was one of JPII’s FAVORITE songs. He even had it translated into Polish.

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Just cause he liked it doesn’t mean he liked it for Church. I don’t know what that case was but also. The Popes personal likings are not the teachings of the church. They are simply his personal prefrences. The teachings of the Church call for more liturgically appropriate music at Mass.
 
The text is scriptural. Read I Corinthians. The hymn text is all about bringing the “gifts that differ”. “Sing a new Church” isn’t about what you think it is; it is a metaphor. Quit reading a political agenda into everything.
Amen to that! This song really does freak people out, but I don’t think defacing a hymnal because one doesn’t like the song is a good way to care for the property of the Church. People tithe good money for that hymnal! Why would anyone go after a cantor who more often than not sings what someone else has programmed? Man!

At any rate, I have trouble with the following:

Lift High the Cross (aka “Torquemada was here” 😃 )
A Mighty Fortress (do we really have to have schismatic hymns?)
Song of the Body of Christ (BOR-ing!!!)

…as well as nearly anything Carey Landry. Man!
 
Just cause he liked it doesn’t mean he liked it for Church. I don’t know what that case was but also. The Popes personal likings are not the teachings of the church. They are simply his personal prefrences. The teachings of the Church call for more liturgically appropriate music at Mass.
I dunno…he used it at liturgies all the time, and here in Colorado, we sang it at a World Youth Day liturgy. Do you even have a correct English translation? I am fluent in English and Spanish, so here is a true translation, not a poetic one to fit the meter of the song:

You came to the edge
You have sought neither the wise nor the rich
You only want me to follow you.

Lord, you have looked into my eyes,
Smiling, you have said my name.
At the sand I have left my boat,
At your side I will look for other seas.

You know well what I have in my boat,
There are no gold nor swords
Only oars and my work.

You need my hands
My weariness that tires others,
Love that wants to keep loving.

You, fisher of other lakes,
The eternal longing of souls that wait,
“Good friend,” that you call me.

We use songs about the Call all the time. Now that you have an accurate translation, what specifically is non-liturgical about that?
 
I dunno…he used it at liturgies all the time, and here in Colorado, we sang it at a World Youth Day liturgy.
Like I said I dont know if he used in liturgies. It was just bugging me that people were saying he liked it and assumed he liked it in the Mass without knowing. I didnt know either way, maybe I should have made that more clear. Thanks for being charitable though in calling me on that.

My main issue with the song is the melody it is set to, and how it is focused alot on I and me and my. It is a pleasent song, I just dont think it helps one focus on God, this song helps one focus on the song. Thats my issue.

Pax Christi
 
Like I said I dont know if he used in liturgies. It was just bugging me that people were saying he liked it and assumed he liked it in the Mass without knowing. I didnt know either way, maybe I should have made that more clear. Thanks for being charitable though in calling me on that.

My main issue with the song is the melody it is set to, and how it is focused alot on I and me and my. It is a pleasent song, I just dont think it helps one focus on God, this song helps one focus on the song. Thats my issue.

Pax Christi
Yeah, I see what you mean. One big issue is that in some translations, the words are actually pretty dorky/hokey. It could be that this is what is playing into your opinion…or not.

For Hispanic Catholics, this is an anthem of sorts. Keep in mind that we are extremely musically-oriented people…we love our songs and love to sing them. The melody is intended to evoke certain feelings of love in us, and this is linked to the familiarity we feel with Christ. This is not to say that English-speaking Catholics don’t feel this. It’s just that music and singing is such an integral part of our religious expression that we naturally have music that is highly singable. It’s a very cultural expression, one that is very moving to us (you should see people burst out in tears over this song at Sunday Mass), and I suspect that OCP and GIA saw this reaction and wanted to bring it to American congregations, albeit somewhat ham-handedly.

It’s the same fervor that many non-Hispanic Catholics feel during the TLM or at a Eucharistic Adoration. We are DEFINITELY focusing on God, as well as our relationship with Him and His call, when we sing this.

Also, the “me” and “I” that you read in the lyrics is, for Hispanics at least, a “communal I” and “communal me.” I hope that makes some sense. It is understood that we are all feeling this together.

Pax tecum!
 
Mine is about Sing(ing) a New Church into being (written by a “nun”)! It’s so bad (heretical - a new church?) that when I heard it at Mass a few years ago, I tore the page out and talked to the cantor. We never heard it again! (Just looked again, and it’s on your list.)
Can’t believe I missed this on my first read-through. You defaced parish property because you didn’t like a hymn? Wow. I wouldn’t be proud of that if I were you.

Nor is it generally effective to attack the cantor for the musical choices. At my parish and at most parishes from what I’ve been told, we (the cantors) have NO say in the music chosen for Mass. We’re handed a music schedule, told to sing it, and sometimes the music gets completely changed on us right before Mass and we have to wing it. Talk to the music director or the pastor next time you’re unhappy, and it would probably be more effective if you could do it without destroying an expensive hymnal.
 
Can’t believe I missed this on my first read-through. You defaced parish property because you didn’t like a hymn? Wow. I wouldn’t be proud of that if I were you.

Nor is it generally effective to attack the cantor for the musical choices. At my parish and at most parishes from what I’ve been told, we (the cantors) have NO say in the music chosen for Mass. We’re handed a music schedule, told to sing it, and sometimes the music gets completely changed on us right before Mass and we have to wing it. Talk to the music director or the pastor next time you’re unhappy, and it would probably be more effective if you could do it without destroying an expensive hymnal.
Hear, hear. As a choir director, I wish that instead of “dissing” the music, the detractors would simply just join the choir and be part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

“Christians, let us love one another…”
 
For reasons melodious rather than liturgical, “Gather Us In” absolutely drives me crazy. I am convinced it is a harmonic rewrite of Gordon Lightfoot’s song about the wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald.
 
For reasons melodious rather than liturgical, “Gather Us In” absolutely drives me crazy. I am convinced it is a harmonic rewrite of Gordon Lightfoot’s song about the wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald.
NO NO NO. Its Chim Chiminee Chim Chim Cheree from Mary Poppins. I don’t mind the song though, I liked Mary Poppins.
 
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