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[CentralFLJames]

Is that an Oklahoma accent?

Or is it Texas?

We English speak English properly you know.

Don’t you bloody well know it bloke?

James

 

[CentralFLJames]

I am made roightous by faith and as the rightous are as bold as a lion, I can boldly say to you I will not become a Roman Catholic.

I will not believe a doctrine that isn’t true or be under the illegitimate authority of the bishop of Rome.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!

Hmm, the conspicuous repetition in the use of words sounds more like lack of confidence or superstitious incantation than it does conviction.

Are you tapping your heels each time you say this?

Think instead: “There’s no place like home”, “There’s no place like home”, “There’s no place like home”.

Now when you wake up at home and understand the Anglican thing was all just a bad dream arising from a bump on the side of the head go visit your local Catholic Priest. But leave the ruby slippers at home or he will look at you funny…

Jim

 

[Protestant101]

Mickey;3345905:

I could go on and on with the sinlessness of Mary…sigh…

Neither you or Tomster have mentioned even one scripture verse to support what you are saying about Mary. This leads me to question: “Would the Bible agree with these Catholic theolgians you have quoted from?” If so; where?

 

[1234]

Please don’t.

Spare us.

 

[ChristianRoots]

nmercier1;3360401:

Neither you or Tomster have mentioned even one scripture verse to support what you are saying about Mary. This leads me to question: “Would the Bible agree with these Catholic theolgians you have quoted from?” If so; where?

The Catholic Church can pronounce a doctrine such as the Immaculate Conception without it being explicitly in Scripture so long as it is not in contradiction to Scripture.

By the way, where in the Bible does it explicitly say “the Bible alone?”

 

[onenow1]

Originally Posted by nmercier1

Neither you or Tomster have mentioned even one scripture verse to support what you are saying about Mary. This leads me to question: “Would the Bible agree with these Catholic theolgians you have quoted from?” If so; where?

Hi, I hope this helps.

Luke 1:
41 And when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit
42 and she exclaimed with a loud cry, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb!
43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
44 For behold, when the voice of your greeting came to my ears, the babe in my womb leaped for joy.
45 And blessed is she who believed that there would be a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.”
46 And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord,
47 and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
48 for he has regarded the low estate of his handmaiden. For behold, henceforth all generations will call me blessed;
49 for he who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name.
50 And his mercy is on those who fear him from generation to generation.
51 He has shown strength with his arm, he has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts,
52 he has put down the mighty from their thrones, and exalted those of low degree;
53 he has filled the hungry with good things, and the rich he has sent empty away.
54 He has helped his servant Israel, in remembrance of his mercy,
55 as he spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to his posterity for ever.”

Peace, OneNow1

 

[nmercier1]

Read very carefully.
There was no Anglican Church or protestant church prior to the 16th century. Christ established neither. Although there were some similar heresies But hey, protestantism is just “virtues run wild”. If anything that is commendable. lol

Now the following quote is harsh. and does not explicitly apply to all of you, but it is worth running your eyes over.
“If some of us who are blessed with its sacred privileges believe the same things about The Church that her slanderers believe, if we knew her only through the words of traitors or third rate lies of dishonest historians, if we only understood her only through those who would never cradle in her sacred associations we would perhaps hate The Church just as much as they do. The bitterest enemies of the church are those who accuse her of being unpatriotic as Christ was accused of being before Pilate, of being unworldly as Christ was accused before Herod, of being to dogmatic as Christ was accused of being before Caiphas, or of being to un-dogmatic as Christ was accused before Annas, of being possessed by the devil as Christ was accused before the Pharisees. These do not hate The Church, they can not hate her anymore than they hate Christ. They hate only that what they mistakenly believe to be the Catholic Church, and their hate is their vain attempt to ignore.”
Archbishop Fulton Sheen

 

[1234]

….go visit your local Catholic Priest.

…if you can find one.

They’ve gone, too.

 

[SIA]

I find it amazing that there exist “Protestants” here at CAF, who are arguing, just a much with Martin Luther and the early Protestant Church as with Catholicism.

Did you know, according to Martin Luther, Infant Baptism is ok, more here

“That the Baptism of infants is pleasing to Christ”
-The Large Catechism by Martin Luther.

Did you know, according to Martin Luther, Absolution and confessing to a priest (“a confessor”) is ok, more here

“Since Absolution or the Power of the Keys is also an aid and consolation against sin and a bad conscience, ordained by Christ [Himself] in the Gospel, Confession or Absolution ought by no means to be abolished in the Church, especially on account of [tender and] timid consciences and on account of the untrained [and capricious] young people, in order that they may be examined, and instructed in the Christian doctrine.” – --The Smalcald Articles, By Martin Luther.

“When speaking to God, we should plead guilty to all sins, even those we don’t know about, just as we do in the “Our Father,” but when speaking to the confessor, only the sins we know about, which we know about and feel in our hearts.”

• Luther’s Little Instruction Book
  (The Small Catechism of Martin Luther)

Did you know, Martin Luther believed in the “Real Presence” when referring to the Eucharist, more here

“It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ under bread and wine for us Christians to eat and to drink, established by Christ Himself.”
-Luther’s Little Instruction Book
(The Small Catechism of Martin Luther)

Did you know that Martin Luther Venerated Mary:
“There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.”
“The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.” (Sermon, September 1, 1522).

Yes, I knew all of those things. What is your point? Do you think that all Protestants are the same and share the same beliefs? It seems to me that you are just merely looking for a fight. Not very charitable.

 

[Protestant101]

I will not believe a doctrine that isn’t true or be under the illegitimate authority of the bishop of Rome.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER!

I will second that.

 

[Jimmy_B]

The Just Shall Live By Faith

Hello agian East Anglican,

Does that mean that you will be getting rid of your Bible? I have a large Bible collection now (mostly Catholic Bibles), but I could always use one more. I need another “Protestant” bible, I find that they help me, defend my Catholc Faith.

All kidding aside, what does your comment even mean? Faith in what?

 

[Protestant101]

Read very carefully.
There was no Anglican Church or protestant church prior to the 16th century. Christ established neither. Although there were some similar heresies But hey, protestantism is just “virtues run wild”. If anything that is commendable. lol

Now the following quote is harsh. and does not explicitly apply to all of you, but it is worth running your eyes over.
“If some of us who are blessed with its sacred privileges believe the same things about The Church that her slanderers believe, if we knew her only through the words of traitors or third rate lies of dishonest historians, if we only understood her only through those who would never cradle in her sacred associations we would perhaps hate The Church just as much as they do. The bitterest enemies of the church are those who accuse her of being unpatriotic as Christ was accused of being before Pilate, of being unworldly as Christ was accused before Herod, of being to dogmatic as Christ was accused of being before Caiphas, or of being to un-dogmatic as Christ was accused before Annas, of being possessed by the devil as Christ was accused before the Pharisees. These do not hate The Church, they can not hate her anymore than they hate Christ. They hate only that what they mistakenly believe to be the Catholic Church, and their hate is their vain attempt to ignore.”
Archbishop Fulton Sheen

With the use of words such as :

traitors
third rate
dishonest
slanderers
hate

It is clear that Catholics are not able to correctly defend their beliefs, using the Bible. Use of such words by leadership are defensive, evasive, and in some cases, uncharitable. How do you expect to “discuss” anything with anyone that you use such words on?

I am sure that Fulton Sheen meant well when he said: “their hate is their vain attempt to ignore,” but very few “ignore” or “hate” when they oppose another’s doctrines. This is a common, but inaccurate assumption by many, and a favorite evasive technique of many “apologists.” It is actually a pretty stale argument.

 

[davia]

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“Protestants” want to “fix” the Catholic Church and in reality, they should be fixing their own “Church”.

You can start with Gay marriages performed by some “Christian” ministers or figure out how “Jones Town” happened”. There exist enough to keep you people busy for at least a hundred years or so, before you have to worry about Catholicism

Hi Jimmy, I want to comment on this as someone who has been on both sides. I was born a lutheran and went through RCIA a few years ago. I go to a catholic church even though I technically have not been able to join fully. I stay away from communion (since I am not in the church yet) but still consider myself a part of the church as does many people who attend and work there (they all know the situation which I won’t go into).

I want to say that I believe that as long as we all believe in Jesus and ask him to wash away our sins, that’s about all we can do. I think there is too much technicality in all these arguements and I doubt Jesus even cares about most of these things (forgiveness). Of course there are major things He does care about, but that’s for Him to judge and for every man to make his own mind about (free will).

Back to what you were mentioning, I want to point out that no church is perfect, even catholacism (the recent priest molestation period the church went through). It’s not right to throw stones when the Catholic church is not perfect either. Neither is the Lutheran church, or any other Christian faith.

 

[Jimmy_B]

With the use of words such as :

traitors
third rate
dishonest
slanderers
hate

It is clear that Catholics are not able to correctly defend their beliefs, using the Bible. Use of such words by leadership are defensive, evasive, and in some cases, uncharitable. How do you expect to “discuss” anything with anyone that you use such words on?

I am sure that Fulton Sheen meant well when he said: “their hate is their vain attempt to ignore,” but very few “ignore” or “hate” when they oppose another’s doctrines. This is a common, but inaccurate assumption by many, and a favorite evasive technique of many “apologists.” It is actually a pretty stale argument.

Hello Protestant101

Oh, I see, because of a single post, by a lay Catholic, on a lay Catholic forum, “It is clear that Catholics are not able to correctly defend their beliefs, using the Bible.”

**nmercier1, **like many of us here,is someone whose only “crime” is attempting to defend the Catholic Faith, which is under constant attack, much as you are defending your “Protestant” Faith.

Additionally, Bishop Fulton Sheen’s ‘Body of Work” defending the Catholic Faith expands many decades, so trying to sum-up his lifetime of “quotes”, by using one quote, is wrong.

Please ask me to show you where Catholic Doctrine can be found in the Bible…One thing at a time, please.

Keep in mind, that the Bible is a “Catholic Book” and all of it supports Catholicism, when viewed and understood in context.

Take care, God Bless You

 

[Jimmy_B]

Hi Jimmy, I want to comment on this as someone who has been on both sides. I was born a lutheran and went through RCIA a few years ago. I go to a catholic church even though I technically have not been able to join fully. I stay away from communion (since I am not in the church yet) but still consider myself a part of the church as does many people who attend and work there (they all know the situation which I won’t go into).

I want to say that I believe that as long as we all believe in Jesus and ask him to wash away our sins, that’s about all we can do. I think there is too much technicality in all these arguements and I doubt Jesus even cares about most of these things (forgiveness). Of course there are major things He does care about, but that’s for Him to judge and for every man to make his own mind about (free will).

Back to what you were mentioning, I want to point out that no church is perfect, even catholacism (the recent priest molestation period the church went through). It’s not right to throw stones when the Catholic church is not perfect either. Neither is the Lutheran church, or any other Christian faith.

Hello Davia,

God Bless you and good luck in your Faith Journey. I hope and pray that one day that you will ‘fully join” the Roman Catholic Church and receive Communion (the Eucharist). Some are so overwhelmed by this, that they weep every time that they receive Communion. This is called the “gift of tears”. I personally find it overwhelming as times.

I am not in complete disagreement with you but this comment of mine here; “What it means to be Christian-Catholic”, might give you a little more insight. Keep in mind that Catholicism is very full, complete and “rich”, and cannot, nor should not, be minimized or “summed-up” in a few paragraphs’s, by a lay Catholic, however, there are many good Catholic links at the link I am providing here. Most Christian religions are a “good start” but they contain, only “Partial Christian Truth’s”, whereas Catholicism represents the ‘Fullness of Truth”.

Finally, remember that men can and will sin and break the law. The error found in the “members” of an organization is not representative of the rest of its members or the organization itself.

I hate pedophiles and I spent nearly all of my adult life putting people like that behind bars, where they belong. However, the Catholic Church does not now, nor has, it ever condoned such horrific crimes and neither have 99.99% of its members. An illegal act by a “member” of the Catholic Church, will never affect my Catholic faith, because Catholic Doctrine is sound and Biblical.

The Catholic Church consists of more than 2500 dioceses and one billion members worldwide. It is much older that any current government, corporation or any other organized Christian” religion.

One will not be able to identify a single organization, statically, with has a better “record” than the Roman Catholic Church. Although, this does not in any way minimize the horrific nature of any specific crime.

Whenever an organization takes its members from the human race, it is certain that some will sin and commit crimes.

It would be false and naive to believe that these type of crimes do not effect other large organizations, because they do and at a statistically higher rate. The difference here is, that their exist many who have always apposed Catholicism and now “beat us over the head” with this current “scandal”.

That Catholic Church has been around for two thousand years and in another two thousand years, I am sure that our enemies will find something else to use against us, because of an action or actions by some of our members. I hope this helps and you no longer find what you posted, an accuse not to become a “full” member of the Catholic Church.

Take Care,

 

[East_Anglican]

Kind of renders the concept of keys mute huh? Why lock any doors if anyone can just walk in any 'ol time? Do you think Jesus simply wasted his breath to speak phrases that had no meaning or applicability? Why would a benevolent God give something to a person if he did not need it? Do you think Jesus was simply doing a garage sale and giving away junk to make more room in heaven?

It’s simply amazing what can be heard coming out of the mouth of adult minds in these forums sometimes…

James

Look up the Greek and then explain the differance between ‘you’ singular and ‘you’ plural.

 

[East_Anglican]

Don’t you bloody well know it bloke?

James

That could also be Aussie English mate.

 

[East_Anglican]

Hmm, the conspicuous repetition in the use of words sounds more like lack of confidence or superstitious incantation than it does conviction.

Are you tapping your heels each time you say this?

Think instead: “There’s no place like home”, “There’s no place like home”, “There’s no place like home”.

Now when you wake up at home and understand the Anglican thing was all just a bad dream arising from a bump on the side of the head go visit your local Catholic Priest. But leave the ruby slippers at home or he will look at you funny…

Jim

It was for emphasis. It was not a vain repitition like a hail Mary sometimes is.

 

[mangy_dog]

nmercier1;3360401:

Neither you or Tomster have mentioned even one scripture verse to support what you are saying about Mary. This leads me to question: “Would the Bible agree with these Catholic theolgians you have quoted from?” If so; where?

The catholics on this thread have given you good advice, resource and scripture. The fact that the catholic church has 3 sources of inspiration seems immaterial to you.

Therefore the point is moot. If the Marian Dogmas are whats keeping you from entering the catholic church as full member…then stay where you are…see if it helps you.

As for me, not returning to this redundant thread will be sufficient for me. Bye.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.

 

[nmercier1]

With the use of words such as :

traitors
third rate
dishonest
slanderers
hate

It is clear that Catholics are not able to correctly defend their beliefs, using the Bible. Use of such words by leadership are defensive, evasive, and in some cases, uncharitable. How do you expect to “discuss” anything with anyone that you use such words on?

I am sure that Fulton Sheen meant well when he said: “their hate is their vain attempt to ignore,” but very few “ignore” or “hate” when they oppose another’s doctrines. This is a common, but inaccurate assumption by many, and a favorite evasive technique of many “apologists.” It is actually a pretty stale argument.

Ouch protestant. One little quote and you go haywire. I was making a pretty general statement. I live in Georgia, In the middle of the bible belt. It would be a lie, based on personal experience, to say, “the protestants love the catholic church down here”. Time and time again I have been called evil, retarded, childrapist, etc… So, from my point of view, their arguments don’t really hold much ground. And 100% I would say the same thing about everything I have read by protestants on this particular thread. Im sorry man, but the logic and theology used is laughable. And when it fails, I see time and time again, people turn to emotions… How liberal. No name calling. Just a generalization. Alright I’m done here.