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Quote= OneNow 1 I think you attack what you do not know.
Was Jesus lying when he said to love your neighbor even as I have loved you.

The bible also says this.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness. And many more vs’s of a like kind.

SMT; you don’t have to worry just follow luke 12: 43.and be blessed.

Peace,OneNow1
Of course Jesus wasn’t lying. I know all about the nine gifts of the spirit…

I’ll add to what you said…

1Pe 3:11 says this… “Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.”

Jas 3:18 says “And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.”

In Heb 12:14 is it written, “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:”

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

From the scripture thus quoted, it is clear that God is a God of Peace. He made peace! How did he make peace? Through his blood. By him is all things reconciled. Know Jesus, Know peace, No Jesus, No Peace…

This said, I wholeheartedly agree that we should follow peace with all men as much as possible. But not at the expense of the Word. Not at the expense of Truth.

“Let God be true and every man a liar” is a quote from Romans 3:4 that I like very much because it shows where are allegiance should be.

God is most definitely a God of peace but he is also a God of wrath as many verses like Col 3:6 show…

“For which things’ sake, the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:” and one last one…

Heb 10:31 "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God :bible:1
 
Of course Jesus wasn’t lying. I know all about the nine gifts of the spirit…

I’ll add to what you said…

1Pe 3:11 says this… “Let him eschew evil, and do good; let him seek peace, and ensue it.”

Jas 3:18 says “And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.”

In Heb 12:14 is it written, “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:”

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven."

From the scripture thus quoted, it is clear that God is a God of Peace. He made peace! How did he make peace? Through his blood. By him is all things reconciled. Know Jesus, Know peace, No Jesus, No Peace…

This said, I wholeheartedly agree that we should follow peace with all men as much as possible. But not at the expense of the Word. Not at the expense of Truth.

“Let God be true and every man a liar” is a quote from Romans 3:4 that I like very much because it shows where are allegiance should be.

God is most definitely a God of peace but he is also a God of wrath as many verses like Col 3:6 show…

“For which things’ sake, the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:” and one last one…

Heb 10:31 "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God :bible:1
=OneNow1, Jesus lowered himself for us by becoming,man telling us he was God the Father Son and Holy Spirit; His example was a man of peace all throughout the gospels; With the exception of the money changers, where he showed His anger [wrath ] if you wish I think justice would be a better word.

The Jews were looking for a King that would rule the world. Jesus turned the world upside down, with his teaching.

Now, SMTJ, seems to me you are seperating Jesus who is God by making Him two seperate persons.

This is what you typed;"…Except a man be born again, he cannot, see the kingdom of God"

This is what you should have typed:John 3: 3-6. Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicode’mus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Water and blood spillled out from the side of Jesus[man God ] thereby blessing the earth and everything it holds as sacred.

Man needs a visible sign and that sign is baptism with water, which was made Holy with the blood and water of our Lord Jesus.

Quote= OneNow1. " Jesus went as a lamb to slaughter, willingly to show the folly of our ways and the power of God."

He left us the means through no power of our own. to be born anew through Baptism.

Matthew 28​

18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

Wow !! if God is with us to the close of the age who can be against us ! Anti Christ Lost: Revelation 22: 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus

Peace, OneNow1
 
I do not believe that all Baptist refer to themselves to strangers, Catholics or to others as “Born Agian Christians”, where Born Again Christians do. Born Again Chriatians to not claim to be “Baptist”. I think you are confusing a particular belief with the title of a particular religion.
Actually, all Baptists consider themselves Born Again. In fact, before they decide to be baptized, they need to have been “born again”. Are you confusing them with another denomination?
This doesn’t offend me, this really has nothing to do with Catholicism or with the Roman Catholic Church
The fact that many people are lumping all priests into the category of pedafile SHOULD absolutely offend you! It may not affect your faith, but it should offend you! And it’s wrong for them to do. Just as it is wrong to lump every protestant denomination together even though a few are in favor of certain things.
Where, on the other hand, it is the official church policy of some “Protestant”, non-Catholic Christian religions to allow persons who are openly gay, and in some cases, living with a gay “partner” in a gay relationship, to become ministers and Bishops.
You said it yourself…“SOME” (not all). Therefore, you shouldn’t lump them all together.
 
Actually, all Baptists consider themselves Born Again. In fact, before they decide to be baptized, they need to have been “born again”. Are you confusing them with another denomination?

The fact that many people are lumping all priests into the category of pedafile SHOULD absolutely offend you! It may not affect your faith, but it should offend you! And it’s wrong for them to do. Just as it is wrong to lump every protestant denomination together even though a few are in favor of certain things.

You said it yourself…“SOME” (not all). Therefore, you shouldn’t lump them all together.
“Actually, all Baptists consider themselves Born Again. In fact, before they decide to be baptized, they need to have been “born again”. Are you confusing them with another denomination?”

**Could be…I understand your point here, but then again, I still can’t imagine a Baptist telling me that they were a “Born-Again Christian” if I asked them what religion they were… 🤷 **

“The fact that many people are lumping all priests into the category of pedafile SHOULD absolutely offend you! It may not affect your faith, but it should offend you! And it’s wrong for them to do. Just as it is wrong to lump every protestant denomination together even though a few are in favor of certain things.”

**This was a bit un-called for and off-topic, don’t you think? ****Now say your sorry so we can be friends.:knight2: **

**I see that you indicate in your profile that you are a “Catholic”… come-on… **

“You said it yourself…“SOME” (not all). Therefore, you shouldn’t lump them all together”

**I don’t. 👍 **

**God Bless… 🙂 **
 
=OneNow1, Jesus lowered himself for us by becoming,man telling us he was God the Father Son and Holy Spirit; His example was a man of peace all throughout the gospels; With the exception of the money changers, where he showed His anger [wrath ] if you wish I think justice would be a better word.

This is what you typed;"…Except a man be born again, he cannot, see the kingdom of God"

This is what you should have typed:John 3: 3-6. Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born anew, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

He left us the means through no power of our own. to be born anew through Baptism.

Matthew 28​

…teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."

Wow !! if God is with us to the close of the age who can be against us ! Anti Christ Lost: Revelation 22: 20 He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus
First of all… 🙂 God is love… ❤️ and he is a God of peace. Jesus is God… John 1:1 No doubt about that! Never has been, never will be.

However… Jesus didn’t always “appear” or “act” peaceful… :tsktsk: He wasn’t “always” meek and humble… He was very forthright and bold. He called the Pharisees and Sadducees Vipers, he preached very sternly to them and didn’t hold anything back whatsoever… he told it like it was… and this to the Relious leaders of his day… This could not exactly be considered a “peaceful demonstration” not by a longshot… he angered people everywhere he went! :banghead:

Second… What I typed for John 3:3 was right on the mark… It comes from the KJV… :bible1:

We are born again when we repent and fully trust the work Jesus did for us on the cross and confess our sins and forsake them.

I whole heartedly agree that we should be baptised the first chance we get after this because Jesus said so. It is a direct command not an “option”… but we are already saved when we are baptised or we just go down a dry sinner and come up a wet one! :doh2:

Baptism is a sign to all men that we have “died to the flesh” and are “resurrected” into newness of life. It’s an outward sign of what has already taken place in the heart. ❤️

Third… Praise the Lord… Jesus is always with us… until the very end. His Word is true and everlasting… :amen:
 
Your insincerity and circular arguments are condescending to the sensibilities of everyone here who is trying to help you understand Catholic Teaching and the truth. Your 3,000 posts in these forums is a telling track record of your “hit and run anti-catholic sentiment” that is well established. Why do you come in here wasting every-one’s time as well as your own? Do you not have anything better to do with your time and your life? Do you know its a sin to waste people’s time? Do you care?

Don’t you get tired of the same old sequence of attacking The Church’s Marian doctrine, purgatory, traditions, celibacy of priests, church sacraments, papal authority and infallability of the Church? These things are immutable. It’s clear that you are not here to learn Catholicism or to even consider converting. You are here to make yourself feel relevant and to attack The Church and to entice people away from the Catholic teaching. We constantly re-explain to you why the Church teaches what it does and you always come back to a fundamentalist argument that “scripture does not teach that” even when we inform you that scripture does not teach itself -The Church teaches. We also prove to you that the teaching is ALWAYS backed by scripture.

The Catholic Church REJECTS outright the notion of sola scriptura and the infallability of your own private interpretation over the 2,000 year old infallible authority, pedigree and scholarship of The Church. You just don’t get it do you? The Catholic Church is the Body of Christ - you are attacking Jesus when you mock The Church. There will be a day of accounting for that in spite of the error in thinking you are safe behind the ‘Once Save Always Saved’ Protestant tradition of erroneous teaching.

Nothing you can say or do is going to change the Church’s teaching. Don’t you get that yet? So why are you here? All you are doing is spreading heresy and confusion and trying to undermine true teaching and get people to come to your way of thinking. Yet you have noting substantially new to offer and just parrot the same ol nonsense Luther got excommunicated for 500 years ago. In essence you are arguing yourself deeper and deeper into the pit and wasting every-one’s time as well.

Wasting our time with insincere rhetoric is REAL theft since it steals resources and our individual time from volunteers here who could be spending the time with their families or others who are sincerely looking for answers. We Catholic Apologists are not here to entertain you nor to be your playmate so please stop wasting our time.

James
Hope you feel better now…👍
 
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Originally Posted by justasking4
If what you say is true then why dialogue with anyone if all you need to do is read the catechism to know what the catholic church teaches? What’s the point for you to dialogue with me?
guanophore
As a forum supporter, I have made a commitment that I will not allow one single poisonous post of yours go uncontested.
I actually consider you my #1 fan… thanks for the commitment:thumbsup:
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Do any of the writers of the NT use her as example of leadership in their writings?
guanophore
Yes, Luke calls her “the mother of my Lord”. This is how she was known to the Apostles and the first disciples.
Where is she know as a leader in the NT where she teaches other disciples for example?
 
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Originally Posted by justasking4
What the catholic church does is to forbid married men from being bishops.
guanophore
You have it backwards, ja4. The Church ordains those to the bishopric from those that are called to be celibate. This way, as the NT describes their interests will not be divided in caring for the flock.
Where in the NT do you see in NT the “bishopric from those that are called to be celibate”?
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The mere fact they are married disqualifies them. This is an outright rejection of the teaching and command of Scripture.
guanophore
This is a negative way to look at things. If they are called to be a bishop, they will also be called to the celibate life.
You are greatly mistaken. There is no such statements in the NT that deals specifically with church leadership that they are to be celibate.
guanophore
If you really desire to become a Cathlic bishop, ja4, it is still possible. If your wife passes away, and you accept the vow of celibacy, then you are also eligible. There re many commands in scripture that are related to the culture and time in which they were written. We see this also about the practice of slavery. The church does not encourage the practice of slavery, though it did exist in the first century, and there are some instructions about it in the NT.
Is it wrong for protestant bishops to be married?
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Originally Posted by justasking4
The mere fact you have a doctrine- practice that nullifies the clear teaching of the qualifications of leadership shows your church makes up its own criteria that is not grounded in Scripture.

guanophore
This is not a problem for Catholics, since we know that the doctrine and practices all preceeded the scripture. Scripture reflects them, but is not the foundation for them.
Of course its not a problem for you since your church has already put itself above the Scriptures in authority that it finds that it thinks it can nullify the scriptures.
 
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Originally Posted by justasking4
What all Christians need to do is to study the Scriptures and compare the teachings of their church with them.

Lampo
What happens if they don’t agree with the teachings of their church after this careful study of the Scriptures? Move on to the next church? Start there own?
Depends on much that particular church disregards the Scriptures.
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Originally Posted by justasking4
The catholic church has failed in many areas in this regards.

Lampo
Based on what? I assume you will say Scripture, so I’ll go ahead and ask: Based on who’s interpretation of Scripture? Your (already admitted by you) fallible interpretation?
Were in the same position on this. I don’t know if you know this but the Roman Catholic church has infallibly interpreted less than 20 verses out of the thousands in Scripture. What this means is that when you go to read and interpret your bible and if you want to know what one of the thousands not infallibly interpreted mean you are left with a fallilbe interpretation. So much for having an infallble interpreter…🤷
 
I actually consider you my #1 fan… thanks for the commitment:thumbsup:

Where is she know as a leader in the NT where she teaches other disciples for example?
You don’t recollect the passage at Canna where she taught the validity of God’s commandments to honor one’s parents when she gave Jesus the moral imperative to honor God and herself by performing his first miracle?

You don’t recollect the passage where Mary taught by example the validity to trust in God and have faith in His word when she said “let it be done to me according to your Word”?

You don’t recollect the passage where Mary taught by example to have courage against one’s own fear and stand by and share in the sufferings of a loved one and in the Divine Son of God?

You can’t recognize that Mary is the co-redemptrix, associated with her Son in the work of ransoming man from sin (Gen 3:15), strong as “an army set in array” (Song 6:9), already prefigured by the “strong”, courageous women of Israel, present at the foot of the cross on Calvary (Jn 19:25-27)?

You can’t recognize Mary is the Mediatrix, who brings Jesus to men and men to Jesus, who cares for things spiritual and temporal (Lk 1:39ff.; Jn 2:1-11) present and active at the birth of the Church on Calvary (Jn 19:25-27) and in the Cenacle (Acts 1:14).

You don’t see how Mary shows by example that she is the woman “blessed” for the faith she placed in the words of the angel Gabriel at the Annunciation (Lk 1:45), for hearing and observing the Word of God (Lk 11:27-28), for her faithful fulfillment of the will of the Father (Mk 3:31-35), as the “poor one of Yahweh” (Ps 9) and “the handmaid of the Lord” (Lk 1:38).

You don’t see how at every crucial point in the history of salvation, from the Protoevangelium, after the fall of our first parents (Gen 3:15), to the announcement of the incarnation of the Word (Lk 1:26ff.), from the beginning of the public mission of Jesus at Cana (Jn 2:1-11), to His redemptive sacrifice consummated on the Cross (in 19:25-27), up to the accomplishment of the very last detail in the universal salvific plan (Rev 12), Mary is the “woman” always present with her Son, never alone, to fulfill her role of “generous companion and humble handmaid of the Lord”.

You don’t see that together with the Son there are “children”, these also brothers and “co-heirs” of Christ (Rom 8:17), who constitute the Mystical Body, the Church. Thus, in Genesis 3:15, the “woman” is presented together with her “seed” (which also has an inclusive sense); at Cana (Jn 2:1-11) the “woman” is with the first “disciples” of Jesus; on Calvary (Jn 19: 25-27), at the foot of the Cross the “woman” has beside her John the Evangelist, who represents all the “disciples” of Jesus; in Revelation 12, finally, the “woman” is found again with “the rest of her offspring” (the Church).

You don’t see in Mary the teaching of The New Eve, the Virgin Mother prophesied in the Old Testament
The embodiment of all the qualities prefigured in the heroines of the Old Testament
The people of Israel, the Daughter of Zion
The Ark of the Covenant: the parallels are too numerous to be ignored
The Church
The exalted Mother of Jesus
The Mother of all the Faithful
Spouse, Mother and Daughter

Even respected Protestants theologian’s like John de Satge can even see Mary all through scripture as integral with it. Why can’t you?

In his Down to Earth: The New Protestant Vision of the Virgin Mary, the Protestant theologian John de Satge highlights Mary’s position with respect to the Old and the New Testaments: “She is the climax of the Old Testament people, the one to whom the cloud of witnesses from the ancient era look as their crowning glory, for it was through her response to grace that their Vindicator came to stand upon the earth. In the order of redemption she is the first fruits of her Son’s saving work, the one among her Son’s people who has gone all the way. And in the order of her Son’s people, she is the mother.”

You don’t see the many examples of the prefiguring of Mary in the Old Testament and think the disciples would not have seen these qualities in Mary and come to realize what her special role was?

Rachael
Jacob is entranced by Rachel’s beauty. Rachel is the mother of Joseph who was sold for 20 pieces of silver. Joseph comes to power in Egypt and is the savior of his family.
Mary
Mary has “found favor with God”. Her Son Jesus is sold for thirty pieces of silver. By His death He becomes the savior of the human race.

Miriam
Miriam the sister of Moses, the liberator of the People of God, and the sister of Aaron, the first priest of the Old Covenant.
Miriam is present with Moses and Aaron at the “Tent of Meeting” in which the Lord descended and spoke to them.
Mary
Just as Miriam was associated with the lawgiver of the People of God, Mary is associated with the Supreme Lawgiver Who Moses prefigured. Similarly Mary is associated with the High Priest of the New Covenant who again is prefigured by Aaron.

etc. etc.

Perhaps you should do a little homework and get rid of the foggy lens of fundamentalism and see things more holistically. Don’t you think its high time to ween yourself off the kiddie pablum you learned in Bible School as a boy and start getting into some real substance?

Mary in Scripture

James
 
Is it wrong for protestant bishops to be married?
Is it wrong for Pagans and unbelievers to marry?

It is wrong for there to be heretics and sects outside the Church married or not .

In spite of all these grave errors and sin God’s Golden Age of Christianity is blossoming like a mustard seed and is taking over the world and dispelling darkness in all its forms.

James
 
Were in the same position on this. I don’t know if you know this but the Roman Catholic church has infallibly interpreted less than 20 verses out of the thousands in Scripture. What this means is that when you go to read and interpret your bible and if you want to know what one of the thousands not infallibly interpreted mean you are left with a fallilbe interpretation. So much for having an infallble interpreter…🤷
You are gravely and profoundly mistaken. What this indicates is that the various Christian Ecclesiastical Communities (not true Churches) like Protestants and so on by and large ACCEPTS The overwhelming majority of current Catholic Church Teaching and are left unchallenged. The 20 or so areas that you note where The Church has made explicit ex-cathedra (From The Chair) teachings and statements are deeper clarifications in response to specific heresies arising to challenge Teaching. This is evidence that The Catholic Church has it right since so little is challenged.

Please note note that in many of those 20 infallible teachings The Church has taken the time to elaborate the specific errors and heresies that in fact came from Protestant error.

God is using heretics such as Luther and Arian and the many others as an antagonist to strengthen The Church’s resolve and reinforce its Teaching - not weaken it.

Thanks for your contribution to strengthening the solidarity of The Church against error. 😉

James
 
CentralFLJames;3393572]
Originally Posted by justasking4
Is it wrong for protestant bishops to be married?
CentralFLJames
Is it wrong for Pagans and unbelievers to marry?
I’m referring to what is permissible in the church. If its wrong for a priest to marry is it wrong for a protestant bishop to marry?
It is wrong for there to be heretics and sects outside the Church married or not .
As Scriptures says —God will judge outsiders.
In spite of all these grave errors
Is it a grave error for a church leader like a bishop to be married?
and sin God’s Golden Age of Christianity is blossoming like a mustard seed and is taking over the world and dispelling darkness in all its forms.
 
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Originally Posted by justasking4
Were in the same position on this. I don’t know if you know this but the Roman Catholic church has infallibly interpreted less than 20 verses out of the thousands in Scripture. What this means is that when you go to read and interpret your bible and if you want to know what one of the thousands not infallibly interpreted mean you are left with a fallilbe interpretation. So much for having an infallble interpreter…
CentralFLJames
You are gravely and profoundly mistaken.
Am i mistaken that your church has infallibly interpreted less than 20 verses of Scripture?
CentralFLJames
What this indicates is that the various Christian Ecclesiastical Communities (not true Churches) like Protestants and so on by and large ACCEPTS The overwhelming majority of current Catholic Church Teaching and are left unchallenged.
I don’t know if this is true. Most protestants i know don’t really know that well what the catholic church teaches on a number of doctrines. Those that do have serious problems with catholic teachings.
CentralFLJames
The 20 or so areas that you note where The Church has made explicit ex-cathedra (From The Chair) teachings and statements are deeper clarifications in response to specific heresies arising to challenge Teaching. This is evidence that The Catholic Church has it right since so little is challenged. Please note note that in many of those 20 infallible teachings The Church has taken the time to elaborate the specific errors and heresies that in fact came from Protestant error.
Is there a list somewhere of these “explicit ex-cathedra (From The Chair) teachings and statements”?
CentralFLJames
God is using heretics such as Luther and Arian and the many others as an antagonist to strengthen The Church’s resolve and reinforce its Teaching - not weaken it.
Thanks for your contribution to strengthening the solidarity of The Church against error. 😉
:eek: 🤷
 
Depends on much that particular church disregards the Scriptures.
What if that particular church doesn’t disregard the Scriptures one iota?
Were in the same position on this. I don’t know if you know this but the Roman Catholic church has infallibly interpreted less than 20 verses out of the thousands in Scripture. What this means is that when you go to read and interpret your bible and if you want to know what one of the thousands not infallibly interpreted mean you are left with a fallilbe interpretation. So much for having an infallble interpreter…🤷
You and I have been here before. Please refer to post #517
 
Where is she know as a leader in the NT where she teaches other disciples for example?
She taught by her example, as at the wedding in Cana, where she role modeled for the disciples that they should “do whatever He tells you”. They could see by the results that trusting in HIm is far better than using carnal methods.
Where in the NT do you see in NT the “bishopric from those that are called to be celibate”?
For some reason I cannot comprehend, you seem to reject that Jesus gave the power to bind and loose to the Apostles, who then exercised it in this manner.
You are greatly mistaken. There is no such statements in the NT that deals specifically with church leadership that they are to be celibate.
I never said there was. I said that both Jesus and Paul upheld the celibate life as a special gift and grace from God that should be embraced by those called unto it. The Latin Rite prefers to choose clergy from those so called, so that their interests will not be divided. Do you deny this is a biblical teaching, about not having divided interests?
Is it wrong for protestant bishops to be married?
It is really quite irrelevant, since a bishop is one who has received apostolic authority, and has received valid Holy Orders. One who rejects the authority appointed by Christ cannot be a valid bishop.
Of course its not a problem for you since your church has already put itself above the Scriptures in authority that it finds that it thinks it can nullify the scriptures.
It is not “your church” ja4, it is “our” Church. There is only one Church, and all persons who are validly baptized are members of the One Body, which is the Church. Jesus is “above” the scripture, and the Catholic Church has at her head Jesus.

The Catholic Church also produced, preserved, and canonized the scriptures, which is why nothing that the Catholic Church teaches is inconsistent with Scripture. In fact, it is not possible to “nullify” the scriptures. As the Word of God, they cannot be made void. A person or group of persons can choose not to abide by them, but His Word endures forever.
 
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Originally Posted by justasking4
Depends on much that particular church disregards the Scriptures.
Lampo;
What if that particular church doesn’t disregard the Scriptures one iota?
All churches most likely have some error. It depends on the nature of the error and how serious it is.
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Originally Posted by justasking4
Were in the same position on this. I don’t know if you know this but the Roman Catholic church has infallibly interpreted less than 20 verses out of the thousands in Scripture. What this means is that when you go to read and interpret your bible and if you want to know what one of the thousands not infallibly interpreted mean you are left with a fallilbe interpretation. So much for having an infallble interpreter…
Lampo;
You and I have been here before. Please refer to post #517
 
I’m referring to what is permissible in the church. If its wrong for a priest to marry is it wrong for a protestant bishop to marry?
The disciplines about clergy and marriage vary upon location. However, in all Rites, once a person has been consecrated to the priesthood, marriage to the Church occurs. If a person was married previously, he does not marry again (husband of but one wife). This applies to deacons, priests, and bishops. Protestants do not have valid Holy Orders, so this rule is irrelevant to them.
Is it a grave error for a church leader like a bishop to be married?
Catholics don’t confuse leadership with the consecrated life as you do, so the question does not make any sense. Most of the leaders in the Catholic church are married laypeople.

A bishop is considered a shepherd of God’s flock, and the Church prefers that those in such an office not have a divided interest, or be encumbered by the cares of this world.
 
I’m referring to what is permissible in the church. If its wrong for a priest to marry is it wrong for a protestant bishop to marry?

As Scriptures says —God will judge outsiders.

Is it a grave error for a church leader like a bishop to be married?
**I Timothy 4:1-3 **

1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

3 Forbidding to marry, :nope:and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth. :bible1:
 
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