Sacred Tradition is a thing, just as the Sacred Scriptures are a thing.
How’s this: Scripture came from Tradition.
Must the Sacred Traditions be based on the Scriptures or can there be a Sacred Tradition independent of the Scriptures?
That’s really easy. Sacred Tradition existed WAY before Sacred Scripture’s…
Can you give me a specific example of a “Sacred Tradition existed WAY before Sacred Scripture’s…”?This concept is EASILY proved.
Are there new Sacred Traditions being formed through time?
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They both come from the same Source, so they permeate one another. They were not separated until the Reformation.
“For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.” 1 Cor 15:3-7
I don’t think this is always true. It is true that there can be a lot of different interpretations but that does not mean they are all equal. We see the same thing in secular writings. Do we say we cannot know since there are so many different understandings about something?
Depends what passages you referring to. Take the idea that Christ died for our sins on the cross. How many different interpretations are of that event?
This is a complex subject and one that would require a lot of discussion. Let me give you a couple of principles:
Not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?
You can know with great confidence if you have a lot of manuscripts and pieces of manuscripts over time and close to the events themselves that will give you the confidence that you do indeed know what the originals looked like. Even you don’t have 100% accuracy with your traditions.
We don’t need 100% certainty to believe something. There are very few things in life that can arise to such a high standard. Only things like 2+2=4 and there are no square circles would make the grade. Rather we can have deductive certainity i.e. we study the facts and draw our conclusions from the facts to form our beliefs. This is how we operate in most of life.
That is not possible though. We can have 100% certainty about these matters. However we don’t need to either. As i said above we can look at the evidence and reasons and make our deductions from that. Take our salvation in Christ. Is it possible we have been decieved through the centuries? Could the gospels be make believe stories? I suppose so but the evidence would not support this conclusion. If were wrong about this then we can ask what have i lost? Probably some money and time if were wrong. However if were right and when we die we find out this was trrue we gain heaven while the unbeliever will be condemned forever. There is no neutral ground. No choice is a choice.
What i have outlined here is the best we can do. If these writings are not of God then we have no choice but to accept this and wait until we die. Right now i think the evidence for them being from God is quite powerful and compelling. Many people thru the centuries have beleived the same thing.
When was the account of Creation written and by whom?
Hello justasking4,
I agree. Most likely the prophets spoke orally as did Jesus and the apostles at times until their teachings were put in written form i.e. the Scriptures.
Prophesy would be such an example of a description of events that were to happen after they were written down.
No doubt it was first preached orally then written down.
Do you believe the Bible is the Word of God? Is it different than any other book and if so in what way?
In a sense it does. For example, when you read Matthew 6:19-20 does that passage have anything to do with you?
True. However it is the Word of God and inspired-inerrant. There is no other book like it. Would you agree?
True.
Not necessarily so. If the HS did infallilby guide the church then it was not totally up to the church alone to decide which books belonged and which did not.
What do you mean by “catholic Book”?
Peace
Me too, I wish “Catholic words “ were used more often, in non-Catholic settings and then maybe, some would have a better understanding of Catholicism.
There are a few out there:
CentralFLJames;3486304]Let me guess, you imagine that all the scholars are outside of the Catholic Church right?
Thats a good question–how many tens of thousands of Catholic Scholars that are part of the Catholic Church who have over the many centuries poured over the ancient manuscripts and documents that The Catholic Church has in its hundreds of miles of shelves and archives?
Probalby alot.
You sound like you know this issue very well. Can you give me a couple of names of the museums and colleges where some of the these manuscriptures can be found?
Depends what you mean by “significant history”.
For being a “tumbleweed with no direction” it sure has set free millions of people and done a lot of good.
How so?For being a “tumbleweed with no direction” it sure has set free millions of people and done a lot of good.
I don’t have an exact number - but it is many hundreds of thousands of men over the centuries. Consider that the Catholic Intellectual Tradition is just another one of the traditions that we Catholics have had in long standing where Protestants traditionally have shun to avoid giving the appearance of “tradition”. And this may account for the huge dichotomy in scholarship seen between Catholics vs Protestant thinkers that favor Catholics both in achievement & in numbers and average level of education of its memberships respectively.
Google Protestant Colleges and Museums - not too much.
Where does it say in scripture that a single Protestant has ever been “set free” and actually made it to heaven?For being a “tumbleweed with no direction” it sure has set free millions of people and done a lot of good.
i did as you advised and it gave a lot of pages to look at. i don’t know exactly what you mean by “not to much”.
That could be. I’m familar a little with students that have gone to catholic universities and have asked them how they were impacted by catholicism. They were protestants and they said it was non-existent in terms of influence. I’m sure my sample is to small to draw larger conclusions from it in terms of what a catholic education does for a catholic.
If a protestant or catholic believes that Christ died for their sins and rose again they will be saved. See I Corinthians 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9-10.
I don’t see how. Even the demons believe that!
So if a poor sinner named Sam who had been cheating on his wife for 10 years goes out to a revival tent and becomes all caught up in the emotion of Preacher Billy’s salvation speech and all the hand clapping and the hallelujahs and all and just stands up and shouts out loudly “I believe” he gets to go to heaven when he dies? Really, is it that simple? What happens if Sam then notices Preacher Billy looking lustfully at Sam’s wife, becomes jealous, and shoots and kills Preacher Billy right there while saying ‘hallelujah you get to go to heaven early Brother Billy’? Then to escape jail and embarrassment to his family Sam thinks “what the heck, I’m saved so I might as well check-out early too” and shoots himself. Do they both get to go straight to heaven?