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CentralFLJames said:
So if a poor sinner named Sam who had been cheating on his wife for 10 years goes out to a revival tent and becomes all caught up in the emotion of Preacher Billy’s salvation speech and all the hand clapping and the hallelujahs and all and just stands up and shouts out loudly “I believe” he gets to go to heaven when he dies? Really, is it that simple? What happens if Sam then notices Preacher Billy looking lustfully at Sam’s wife, becomes jealous, and shoots and kills Preacher Billy right there while saying ‘hallelujah you get to go to heaven early Brother Billy’? Then to escape jail and embarrassment to his family Sam thinks “what the heck, I’m saved so I might as well check-out early too” and shoots himself. Do they both get to go straight to heaven? :rolleyes:

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Do you know how absolutely silly this argument is?

Ahem, what about the thief on the cross who made his declaration just before he died? :rolleyes: Makes your argument kind of weak…

Of course just saying it doesn’t get you into Heaven. That is purposterous.

Matthew 7:21
"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Matthew 7:20-22 (in Context) Matthew 7 (Whole Chapter)

It is those who are sincere in their declaration. And only God knows who they are. But if a man, as much as we humans would hate to admit it, commits murder - cheats on his wife - or even molests a child repents and believes in God and IS SINCERE he will be saved. For our God is a forgiving God (just look at what He did on the cross), thankfully He is nothing like the rest of us who can hold a grudge until the end of time should it suit us.
 
CentralFLJames said:
So if a poor sinner named Sam who had been cheating on his wife for 10 years goes out to a revival tent and becomes all caught up in the emotion of Preacher Billy’s salvation speech and all the hand clapping and the hallelujahs and all and just stands up and shouts out loudly “I believe” he gets to go to heaven when he dies? Really, is it that simple? What happens if Sam then notices Preacher Billy looking lustfully at Sam’s wife, becomes jealous, and shoots and kills Preacher Billy right there while saying ‘hallelujah you get to go to heaven early Brother Billy’? Then to escape jail and embarrassment to his family Sam thinks “what the heck, I’m saved so I might as well check-out early too” and shoots himself. Do they both get to go straight to heaven? :rolleyes:

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It blows my mind that some people would answer “yes.”
 
justasking4 said:
This is just another indicator that you really don’t know much about your “Sacred Tradiitons” that you are incapable of answering such a basic question. You can claim that some kind of sacred tradition supports your beliefs but in reality you demonstrate such things really don’t exist… :crying:
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One reason there is no list of Sacred Traditions is that it could indicate that the list is complete and exhaustive. Have you forgotten this? I know for a fact this was brought to your attention twice in the past two or three weeks.
 
guanophore said:
Originally Posted by justasking4
If a protestant or catholic believes that Christ died for their sins and rose again they will be saved. See I Corinthians 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9-10.

guanophore
I don’t see how. Even the demons believe that!
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I know you don’t like Greek lexicons but they can be a great help in understanding what words mean in the Scriptures. In this case the word “believe” is crucial as used in Romans 10:9.
Believe in this passage means:
Particularly, to be firmly persuaded as to something, to believe, followed by the inf. (Rom. 14:2); by hóti (3754), that (Mark 11:23; Rom. 6:8; 10:9). With the idea of hope and certain expectation (Acts 18:8).
This is not some mere intellecutal belief or assent but a deep and last conviction that this is true and a commitment to this truth that affects a person’ life in attitude and conduct.
Demons believe but it has no impact on them since the HS does not work in them.
 
justasking4 said:
i did as you advised and it gave a lot of pages to look at. i don’t know exactly what you mean by “not to much”.
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Perhaps he means “not too much” in the terms of numbers of Protestant colleges and museums? You could Google just about anything and get a lot of pages.
 
Lampo said:
One reason there is no list of Sacred Traditions is that it could indicate that the list is complete and exhaustive. Have you forgotten this? I know for a fact this was brought to your attention twice in the past two or three weeks.
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Just because this question has not been answered by you and other catholics doesn’t mean that there might be some catholic who can answer this. Seek and you shall find…👍
 
justasking4 said:
Just because this question has not been answered by you and other catholics doesn’t mean that there might be some catholic who can answer this. Seek and you shall find…👍
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How many times do you think you’ve been told that there is no list of Sacred Traditions?
 
Lampo said:
Originally Posted by CentralFLJames
So if a poor sinner named Sam who had been cheating on his wife for 10 years goes out to a revival tent and becomes all caught up in the emotion of Preacher Billy’s salvation speech and all the hand clapping and the hallelujahs and all and just stands up and shouts out loudly “I believe” he gets to go to heaven when he dies? Really, is it that simple? What happens if Sam then notices Preacher Billy looking lustfully at Sam’s wife, becomes jealous, and shoots and kills Preacher Billy right there while saying ‘hallelujah you get to go to heaven early Brother Billy’? Then to escape jail and embarrassment to his family Sam thinks “what the heck, I’m saved so I might as well check-out early too” and shoots himself. Do they both get to go straight to heaven?

James

Lampo
It blows my mind that some people would answer “yes.”
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Does it blow your mind that the thief on the cross was in paradise with Christ on Good Friday?
 
justasking4 said:
Does it blow your mind that the thief on the cross was in paradise with Christ on Good Friday?
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LOL!

Sorry, this isn’t meant as a direct attack,but sometimes I think my 2 year old’s comprehend and remember things better than some adults.
 
justasking4 said:
Does it blow your mind that the thief on the cross was in paradise with Christ on Good Friday?
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Does it blow your mind that the Bible didn’t exist as you have it today for nearly 400 years after the death of Christ?
 
CentralFLJames;3501826]
Originally Posted by justasking4
If a protestant or catholic believes that Christ died for their sins and rose again they will be saved. See I Corinthians 15:1-4 and Romans 10:9-10.
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CentralFLJames
So if a poor sinner named Sam who had been cheating on his wife for 10 years goes out to a revival tent and becomes all caught up in the emotion of Preacher Billy’s salvation speech and all the hand clapping and the hallelujahs and all and just stands up and shouts out loudly “I believe” he gets to go to heaven when he dies? Really, is it that simple?
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If Sam has truly repented and believed that Christ died for his sins and rose again then yes he would inherit eternal life at that moment. He would be forgiven.
What happens if Sam then notices Preacher Billy looking lustfully at Sam’s wife, becomes jealous, and shoots and kills Preacher Billy right there while saying ‘hallelujah you get to go to heaven early Brother Billy’?
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Just because a person is “in Christ” i.e. the Spirit of Christ dwells in him now doesn’t mean he has no more problems. It would not necessarily mean he has no more problems with jealousy and anger at that moment. It takes time for the Spirit of Christ to work in his life.
This kind of crime could be the result of either passion or mental instability.
Then to escape jail and embarrassment to his family Sam thinks “what the heck, I’m saved so I might as well check-out early too” and shoots himself. Do they both get to go straight to heaven? :rolleyes:
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I can see you lack an understanding of what the scriptures say. If Sam would to respond in this manner it could be due to a number of factors. One, as i said above, may be due to mental instablity. The other could be he has not grown in the faith and does not understand the ramifications of this. The third could be he is not truly in Christ and not saved. In this kind of example much more would be needed to know before we can say…
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Lampo said:
Does it blow your mind that the Bible didn’t exist as you have it today for nearly 400 years after the death of Christ?
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The OT canon was already in existence by the time of Christ. Evidently the wisdom of Christ thought that having the canon confirmed 400 years later was not an issue. The church survived.
 
justasking4 said:
The OT canon was already in existence by the time of Christ. Evidently the wisdom of Christ thought that having the canon confirmed 400 years later was not an issue. The church survived.
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Indeed it did. At least you acknowledge the Bible didn’t exist as you have it today for nearly 400 years after the death of Christ. During those 400 or so years without the Bible, did the Christians adhere to the doctrine of sola scriptura?
 
Lampo said:
Indeed it did. At least you acknowledge the Bible didn’t exist as you have it today for nearly 400 years after the death of Christ.
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Actually, I think that was 1826? 🙂

(That is, when the “Apocrypha” were no longer included)
 
Lampo said:
Yep. BTW, did Christ use the Palestinian Canon or the Alexandrian (Septuagint) Canon?
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Probably the Hebrew canon. He made no direct quotes from the OT apocryha and the Jews of the day did not consider those books to be inspired-inerrant.
 
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