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PRmerger
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I did. See post #527
That is not stated in Scripture and is therefore a man-made tradition.
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Dokimas
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Are you looking for the word essential?
BTW, I’ve fallen prey to your game. I really didn’t want to play. Rats.
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PRmerger
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You asked why I mentioned the verse from Scripture about even the demons believing.
I was having a conversation with Richard. He said it.
Of course there are essentials, Dokimas. They’re just not stated in Scripture.Don’t look now but you’ve just stated an ‘essential’ - belief alone doesn’t cut it.That’s very evangelical of you.
You need the Church to tell you what they are, ***as Scripture makes no determination what’s an essential and what’s a non-essential. ***
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Exactly.
You just believe something theologically that’s not in Scripture.
That’s all I’m saying.
Now, when you question Catholics about “where is that in the Bible” you ought to keep this in the back of your mind: “I believe some things that aren’t in the Bible as well”.
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Dokimas
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Ga 5:21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
That tells us, with out using the word essential, that there are things that will keep us from Heaven. Wouldn’t you call them essentials to avoid?
1Jo 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.
I would think it’s essential to believe that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. The one’s that don’t are of the spirit of anti-christ.
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Dokimas
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Tell me, if I asked you how important baptism is to salvation, would you point me to the verse in Peter’s writings?Exactly.
You just believe something theologically that’s not in Scripture.
That’s all I’m saying.
Now, when you question Catholics about “where is that in the Bible” you ought to keep this in the back of your mind: “I believe some things that aren’t in the Bible as well”.
1Pe 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us––baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
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Dokimas
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Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Looks like an eccential to me.
And this one:
Romans 10:
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
If you tell me the word eccential is not found in these verses, I’ll tell you I was correct, you were playing games.
Looks like an eccential to me.
And this one:
Romans 10:
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
If you tell me the word eccential is not found in these verses, I’ll tell you I was correct, you were playing games.
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PRmerger
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I don’t think you’re understanding.
Yes, there are essentials.
What are they?
The Bible doesn’t say.
You need the Church to define what are the essentials.***
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Dokimas
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I understand that the Bible verses hold in them essentials which keep one from Heaven or teaches about salvation.
You can quibble over terms here but that doens’t take away the fact that the Bible teaches eccentials.
I found essentials in the Bible without studying what the CC teaches on the issue.
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Yes, I would. Because that’s the point of reference which convinces you.
I wouldn’t refer you to the Magisterial teachings of the Catholic Church, 'cause that would mean nothing to you as a non-Catholic.
Just like if a Mormon were trying to convince me of the truth of his argument he would use Scripture to try to convince me.
If he’s smart he’s not going to cite something that Joseph Smith said 'cause I’m going to dismiss any “revelations” given to Mr. Smith.
So, just to clarify this analogy:
Catholics use Scripture when we’re talking to Bible-only Christians to support our beliefs, even though we don’t believe Scripture alone is the pillar and foundation of truth.
Mormons will use Scripture when they’re talking to Christians to support their beliefs, even though they don’t believe Scripture alone is the fullness of God’s revelation.
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Dokimas
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So the Bible teaches baptism is essential in you opinion? Essentials are found in the Bible.
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PRmerger
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Then you ought to be able to show us what verses say it’s an essential.
You’re just citing verses which YOU think are essential. But, THE BIBLE DOESN’T CLAIM it’s an essential.
I could say, “All generations shall call me blessed” is an essential.
And since the Bible doesn’t say one way or another, who’s to argue with me?
It’s my own man-made tradition when I proclaim that verse in Luke to be an essential.
Just like it’s your own man-made tradition when you proclaim ________ verses to be essential.
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PRmerger
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It’s an essential because the Catholic Church has deemed it essential. The BIBLE DOES NOT SAY IT"S AN ESSENTIAL BELIEF.
Baptism does indeed save you, as St. Peter proclaims, inspired by the HS.
This is an essential to salvation, as the Catholic Church proclaims, inspired by the HS.
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Dokimas
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The discussion you and I are having has nothing to do with Mormon’s beliefs. It has to do with whether a person reading the Bible can find essentials to true faith in Jesus that leads to salvation and away from Hell.
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Dokimas
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Please stop playing word games. They are far below you.
The verses I sighted are quite clear.
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Dokimas
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PR, I guess you can’t see that you’re playing word games. I guess it’ just with yourself.
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PRmerger
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As you wish.
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elvisman
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Not letting you off the hook, pal. List the essentials or don’t respond.
You like to start arguments but you have a hard time following through.**
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elvisman
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Answer the question Doki.
Answer the question . . .
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