Non-Catholics: Where's the inspired list?

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Thank you asteroid, that is very well stated and I too found that to be the case. I really felt betrayed when I began my journey back to the faith because I had been fed so much misinformation over my 34 year tenure outside the Catholic Church. This is just one of many areas that I found error in.
Pax tecum,
 
Francis de Sales wrote that the n-C movement (reformation) could not have been from God because of the differences between Luther, Calvin, et al. about what books to accept and to reject. If we believe in the unity that the Holy Spirit brings, then all of the non-Catholic movements would have had the same agreement on canon. (The a/c will tell you that this is a minor difference:eek: ).
 
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mj330:
Francis de Sales wrote that the n-C movement (reformation) could not have been from God because of the differences between Luther, Calvin, et al. about what books to accept and to reject. If we believe in the unity that the Holy Spirit brings, then all of the non-Catholic movements would have had the same agreement on canon. (The a/c will tell you that this is a minor difference:eek: ).
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And I tell 'em regularly that it’s not minor to me…and St. Paul made no bones about the sources of all confusion… 🙂
 
Don’t forget YAQUBOS’ “full proof list maker.” Anyone care to make a better stab then I did?

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YAQUBOS said:
1. Was it written by a prophet or a directly inspired man of God?
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Why this question? Because God says that ONLY a prophet of God will speak the Word of God:

“'I will raise up a prophet from among their countrymen like you, and I will put My words in his mouth, and he shall speak to them all that I command him.” ( Deuteronomy 18:18 )

“God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers** in the prophets** in many portions and in many ways” ( Hebrews 1:1 )

“no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.” ( 2 Peter 1:21 )
  1. Was he ( the prophet or the man of God ) confirmed by an act of God?
    Why this question? Because God says:
“how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard,
God also testifying with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will.” ( Hebrews 2:3-4 )

This means that we should expect some miraculous confirmation of those who speak the Word of God. Moses had his rod that turned into a serpent, Jesus had principally the Resurrection, and the Apostles continued Jesus’ miracles…
  1. Does it tell the truth about God?
    Why this question? Because:
“But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed!” ( Galatians 1:8 ).

So agreement with all earlier revelation is essential. This also helps us recognize false prophecies made in the Name of God, like the Qur’an!

And remember the following:

“When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing does not come about or come true, that is the thing which the LORD has not spoken. The prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.” ( Deuteronomy 18:22 )
  1. Does it have the power of God?
    Why this question? Because God says that His Word has the Divine transforming power in the lives of its readers!
“For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” ( Hebrews 4:12 ).
  1. Was it accepted by the People of God?
    Why this question? Because:
“For this reason we also constantly thank God that when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men, but for what it really is, the word of God, which also performs its work in you who believe.” ( 1 Thessalonians 2:13 )
 
There’s no list. It’s not so hard. If indeed the Catholic Church put the Bible together, then it was the Catholic Church that had to figure out what books went in it, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit I would imagine. 😉
 
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Proof? Its in the Word of God of course, anytime anyone has added to the Word of God(after Revelation, see warning in Deut about “do not add to the Word of God lest you be found a liar”), it contradicts what is already written. Faithful Christians of the 2nd century did not just take someone’s word that the NT books were God’s Word, they compared them and after studying them they were accepted as part of the Holy Scripture. Although we have no record of such, the same surely happened with the OT Scriptures, but by the time Christ was born, and without a Catholic church in existence, there was no dispute of what was contained in OT Scripture and what was not. The Catholic church did not add the apocryphal books until sometime in the 1546(council of Trent). Do those books line up with Scripture? I have not read them myself but I would say no. Especially since early Catholics(universal, not Roman) did not agree they were. If this answer doesn’t suit you, could you produce the list the Jews had before the Catholic church began? There wasn’t one was back then, how’d they know without a Catholic Church/Pope to tell them what was and was not Scripture? light bulb comes on

You also seem to have the wrong impression of those “cleansed by the blood of Christ”. We are not a pack of wolves, but harmless as doves. Christ loved every person on this world enough to die on the cross for each and every one of them. Our love falls very short but we(Christians) strive to love others as we love ourselves.

Trust in Christ,
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Well said. He seemed to have been judgemental on calling those a pack of wolves. Shame on him. I’m sure that God will forgive him.
 
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Curious:
There’s no list. It’s not so hard. If indeed the Catholic Church put the Bible together, then it was the Catholic Church that had to figure out what books went in it, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit I would imagine. 😉
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There is no writing in the Bible that it came from Catholics. In fact there is no place in the Bible that specifies the word Catholic as even being the one and only Church. In the new testiment there is a statement that God works with many different religions to get his point across to the people on how we should conduct ourselves in everyday living. The Bible is indeed a book of history of events that have taken place from the begining of time, at least of this earth. I, for one, strongly believe in the good book do to the fact that over the multitude of years past, This is the only book known to mankind that has not changed its messages that it gets out to people. That is a pritty amazing task, considering the amount of time that has past. Would you agree? Peace and God Bless
 
There is no writing in the Bible that it came from Catholics. In fact there is no place in the Bible that specifies the word Catholic as even being the one and only Church
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Er…did you misunderstand me or something? I never said the Bible says the Catholic put it together. We have to rely on history to know that. I only meant that the Catholics put it together.

And yes…it is an amazing task.
 
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littleitaly:
Well said. He seemed to have been judgemental on calling those a pack of wolves. Shame on him. I’m sure that God will forgive him.
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Did you even bother to read the whole thread?
 
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Curious:
Er…did you misunderstand me or something? I never said the Bible says the Catholic put it together. We have to rely on history to know that. I only meant that the Catholics put it together.

And yes…it is an amazing task.
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No, I did not misunderstand, that was just me throwing in my 2 cents worth of info. Sorry about the confusion there
 
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Milliardo:
Did you even bother to read the whole thread?
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Indeed I have. My statement remains, for one to accuse others to come out at them like a pack of wolves is being very judgemental. I’m sure you see my point without further explanation.
 
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littleitaly:
Indeed I have. My statement remains, for one to accuse others to come out at them like a pack of wolves is being very judgemental. I’m sure you see my point without further explanation.
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Pack of wolves was an expression.
 
littleitaly,
You sure seem to have jumped to judge me and my two friends here based on not really understanding any of us… the pack of wolves has to do with the rapid response and gang piling that happens to Catholics who attempt to offer clear and concise answers to “questions” from n-Cs. Stick around for another 50-100 posts and you’ll see just what I mean.

Milliardo was simply trying to get accross to you that you had misunderstood the statement. Funny, how one person will get something the way it’s intended and another (you, in this case) will miss it and side with the guy who was having a blast bashing the Catholic Church.

Curious, bless her trying-to-get-it-all-together-and-come-into-the-Catholic-Church heart was simply saying that since we don’t have a list within the Bible that tells us what books should be included as inspired, we have to trust that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church when she used her God-given authority to discern and affrim what is canon and what is not.
Pax vobiscum,
 
Church Militant:
littleitaly,
You sure seem to have jumped to judge me and my two friends here based on not really understanding any of us… the pack of wolves has to do with the rapid response and gang piling that happens to Catholics who attempt to offer clear and concise answers to “questions” from n-Cs. Stick around for another 50-100 posts and you’ll see just what I mean.

Milliardo was simply trying to get accross to you that you had misunderstood the statement. Funny, how one person will get something the way it’s intended and another (you, in this case) will miss it and side with the guy who was having a blast bashing the Catholic Church.

Curious, bless her trying-to-get-it-all-together-and-come-into-the-Catholic-Church heart was simply saying that since we don’t have a list within the Bible that tells us what books should be included as inspired, we have to trust that the Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church when she used her God-given authority to discern and affrim what is canon and what is not.
Pax vobiscum,
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I do tend to find the batting down goes both ways, still i don’t see that it matters, except as a thing to repent of and not do, even if i do it myself sometimes, it’s not really constructive. This Word of God is as a two edged sword, it cuts both ways.
The Word of God is inspired by God, whether a Roman catholic, a protestant or a bunch of scietists put it together, God would make sure it got to the general public with the necessary information, God can turn earth into man, raise people from the dead, His Spirit guides, when God wants something done He gets it done, by whatever means, I personally don’t use just one translation for study, and most of all i do talk to Our Father, the Spirit guides, so i’ve never bothered to find such stuff out, still everyone has different pass times, mines studying the bible, though lately i’ve been lax, probably needed something like this forum to spur me on, at least i learn some constructive things, it’s like a candy shop though i do like to see which sweets are truely sweet, for this God gave us His Word. I don’t need to ask how it got to be put together, i just accept it as His Word, and it doesn’t contradict itself, after all God is the same yesterday today and forever more.
We change, He doesn’t, yet He knows if our names are written in the book of life or not, He knows us, even before we’re born, we only get to know Him slowly, yet as we grow we see more and more clearly, yet never as clearly as he sees us. How would that happen if the Bible wasn’t the word of God, whoever put it together.
Thanks Church millitant for all your provocative posts, i am rambling on a bit in this one though
God bless you
 
seems to me i might learn something of interest here though.

Thanks everyone.
 
I still don’t see an inspired list…What’s up with that? :confused:
 
Church Militant:
I still don’t see an inspired list…What’s up with that? :confused:
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Common C-M, read post 24. YAQBUOS said it’s full proof, I believe him. :rolleyes:
 
Psalm45:9:
Come on C-M, read post 24. YAQBUOS said it’s full proof, I believe him. :rolleyes:
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ooooohhhhh yeah…Well, maybe a serious sort of scholar might deal with this and attempt to enlighten us? That is; provided that such a list exists. Otherwise I have to conclude that the list of inspired books is only available through the historical record of the Councils of Hippo and Carthage in 393 and 397. 🙂 Councils of the Catholic Church.
Pax vobiscum,
 
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