Non-Catholics: Where's the inspired list?

[Timothy888]

Thanks for the link, i do have the guts and interest to visit it, hope it doesn’t have any falsehoods, put it in my favourites. I had no intention of disrupting your string, so my heartfelt apologies, loaded question anyway, i would discuss your answers to my answers to your answers, but i think i’ll finish my readings first and not diturb your stomach any more.

Thanks for the information, and believe you me, i’ve learnt a lot from this site.

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God the Father of my Lord Jesus Christ guide you in all ways
Peace to you and stay well

 

[Church_Militant]

Timothy888:

1. This is completely false. Ignatius of Antioch was bishop of that city & a close friend and disciple of St. John’s and he wrote the following less than 10 years after John died. “Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” so the early church was Catholic in name by then… 77 years after Jesus ascended into heaven.
   Hmm Ignatious, haven’t finished reading him yet, still didn’t John say:
   1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as yee haue heard that Antichrist shall come, euen now are there many Antichrists, whereby wee know that it is the last time.
   1Jo 2:19 They went out from vs, but they were not of vs: for if they had beene of vs, they would no doubt haue continued with vs: but they went out that they might be made manifest, that they were not all of vs.

Guess that means you need to come home to the Catholic Church, since every one of the “reformers” left us. Also according John we have been in the last times since his day. that doesn’t bother me at all, but Catholics agree woth that.

Truth Timothy…not some preacher’s unfounded allegations and opinions. Historical facts from unbiased sources and nothing less. If you wanna know what we really believe and why…get it form us…from real Catholics who follow the church…not from dissenters and non-Catholics who don’t really know beans about us.
Pax tecum,

 

[Psalm45_9]

Timothy888:

Tobit 6:5-8

Tob 6:5So the yong man did as the Angel commaunded him, and when they had rosted the fish, they did eate it: then they both went on their way, till they drew neere to Ecbatane.

Tob 6:6Then the yong man saide to the Angel; Brother Azarias, to what vse is the heart, and the liuer, and the gall of the fish?

Tob 6:7And he said vnto him, Touching the heart and the liuer, if a deuil, or an euil spirit trouble any, we must make a smoke thereof before the man or the woman, and the party shalbe no more vexed.

Tob 6:8As for the gall it is good to anoint a man that hath whitenesse in his eyes, and he shalbe healed.

Witchcraft would never be taught by an angel of God.

I remember when I got poison ivy, the doctor told me to rub brown soap on it, I did and I was healed. The Angel said that fish gall heals blindness; fish gall was recorded medicine in ancient times. If you object to the angel using mater to heal, you’ll object to Jesus’ using mud to cure the same illness. As for the liver and heart, if God subjects demons to mater, who is to criticize? Let’s look another passage full of “pagan” practice:

“And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, When Pharaoh shall speak unto you, saying, Shew a miracle for you: then thou shalt say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and cast it before Pharaoh, and it shall become a serpent. And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent. Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments. For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron’s rod “swallowed up their rods.” (Exodus 7:8-12)

Aaron performed the same ‘pagan’ work as Pharaoh’s magicians. To the naked eye it was witchcraft that Aaron performed, the only difference is that God sanctioned Aaron’s action, making it not a pagan act. As for Tobit, God told St. Raphael what to do; the heart and the liver were sanctioned by God, making it not a pagan act. Thus the angel did not practice witchcraft.

 

[Psalm45_9]

Timothy888:

And of course the only support for Immaculate conception in Wisdom of Solomon

Wis 8:19For I was a wittie child, and had a good spirit.

Wis 8:20Yea rather being good, I came into a body vndefiled.

None of this is in harmony with scripture

Actually the church has never used Wisdom in the dogma of the Immaculate Conception. The undefiled body is speaking of a body that would not defile wisdom, a mental handicap.

 

[Milliardo]

Timothy888:

Hmm Ignatious, haven’t finished reading him yet, still didn’t John say:
1Jo 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as yee haue heard that Antichrist shall come, euen now are there many Antichrists, whereby wee know that it is the last time.
1Jo 2:19 They went out from vs, but they were not of vs: for if they had beene of vs, they would no doubt haue continued with vs: but they went out that they might be made manifest, that they were not all of vs.

Yes, John wrote that. The point of both St. Ignatius of Antioch, and indeed Jesus Himself is simple: where is the authority of the Church? It is with the bishop, as we see it confered on them in Acts. So where the bishop is, there the people must be. Ignatius of Antioch is pleading on the Gospel passed on to them, bishops, as heirs to the Apostles: still another proof that the sola scriptura was never taught in the early Church. It was men who were given the Gospel. Another way of putting John’s words is simple: where is the Gospel? Look for those who came from the Apostles themselves. Again, it neatly supports Apostolic Succession.

 

[edward_george]

I have a teacher who is a Baptist and we debate religion every once in a while. His answer to the “where’s the inspired list?” argument was sort of funny.

I asked, having gotten from him that his church indeed held the sola scriptura doctrine, where exactly the list of canonical books appeared in the Bible.

He sort of sighed, then he looked around. He said “well, someone wrote a book on that, and there’s an explanation to that that takes a whole book to go over…not something i can explain to you in such a short time. and that book is $75.”

I walked out with a smile on my face. I knew this was more of the same from him: His refutation to Peter being named the Pope was that the Holy Spirit intended for the Bible to be written in Greek so that there would be the translational conflict of Petros/petra. I almost laughed at that.

 

[adstrinity]

Timothy888:

Remenber this, we make mistakes, Gods spirit never does, the disciples chose a 12th apostle to take the place of Judas, they didn’t wait for the Spirit to come as Jesus told them to!
Jesus through the Holy Spirit chose Saul, a persecuter and killer of Christians as the 12th to take the place of Judas!
You could say Judas followed, then betrayed!
Saul betrayed, then became Paul and followed!
Rubs against our wanting to control everything doesn’t it, we like democracy. God doesn’t.
Don’t think the way men think, let God work, as He always has!

Have you forgotten that in John 20
14 (Jesus) said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you.” 22 15 And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the holy Spirit. 23 16 Whose sins you forgive are forgiven them, and whose sins you retain are retained.” ?That is to say, that they, when they chose lots as to who will be the next apostle, they HAD the Holy Spirit already.