Non-Catholics: Why are you here?

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Welcome non-Catholics
The fact remains you’re a branch from the trunk of the TREE. Maybe your roots are calling your roots are calling you home?
Peace be with you all.
Tomas10
 
I am here because I have some specific questions about Deuteronomy. Not a light subject but I saw others discussing it on a long thread and I am looking for answers and am looking high and low for my answers. I posted one question on one of the threads where someone had offered to do more research for someone on the exact text I had questions about so I joined the forum and posted if they could do research that would be great. I’ve been searching and searching for the answers but it’s a very complicated subject which involves history knowledge as well as biblical knowledge.
I assuming you asked a question on an already existing thread? Not sure I understand you. Did you start a thread?

Peace, Gary
 
I am here to see how other people act out their religions.

As a former Catholic I find it interesting to see peoples reactions to other religions and Athiests in general.
How does one go from Catholic to Athiest? :confused: Maybe its you who have some newfound wisdom you can share with us?

Peace
 
I’ve noticed that there are a lot of non-Catholics here, and many of them seem to just want to argue with Church teachings. I can’t help but think they’re here to convert us.

However, I know that not all the non-Catholics are like that–I just can’t figure out why else they spend their time on a Catholic message board. So I thought I’d ask.

What brings you, as a non-Catholic, to Catholic Answers Forums?
curiosity as to whether anything has changed.
Nothing ever changes
 
How does one go from Catholic to Athiest? :confused: Maybe its you who have some newfound wisdom you can share with us?

Peace
I think one might as well ask: “How does one go from being Catholic to a member of any non-Catholic faith?” 🙂
 
I welcome all non-Catholics 🙂

Of all the modern Christian denominations, I think it is fair to say - without derogating aught from our beloved brothers and sisters of other Christian Churches - that the Catholic Church has done the most to try and embrace the good in other non-Christian faiths.

As a Catholic which means “Universal”, I want to embrace all people and strike up dialogue. I want to learn from non-Catholics and hopefully they can learn from me through a dialogue of mutual love and sensitivity.

In the words of Nostra Aetate from Vatican II:

"The Church, therefore, exhorts her sons, that through dialogue and collaboration with the followers of other religions, carried out with prudence and love and in witness to the Christian faith and life, they recognize, preserve and promote the good things, spiritual and moral, as well as the socio-cultural values found among these men" (Nostra Aeatate)

Catholics - lets not forget that this is what Holy Mother Church teaches us to do, to welcome all people regardless of their religion, to dialogue and debate with them in a loving way and to embrace everything that is good and pure in their religions so as to enrich our own faith

God Bless and keep all our beloved non-Catholic members both Christian and non-Christian! I love you guys - you bring so much diversity to this forum 🙂
 
" (Nostra Aeatate)

Catholics - lets not forget that this is what Holy Mother Church teaches us to do, to welcome all people regardless of their religion, to dialogue and debate with them in a loving way and to embrace everything that is good and pure in their religions so as to enrich our own faith

God Bless and keep all our beloved non-Catholic members both Christian and non-Christian! I love you guys - you bring so much diversity to this forum 🙂
👍👍👍
 
Rather than hope everyone converts to catholicism, perhaps we should hope that all of us, as members of the Body of Christ; regardless of denomination or belief, will lift one another up, encourage and support. I have had the Light of Christ in my heart for MANY years, before joining this forum. WE can all learn from each other, and love each other, as Christ intended it to be!👍👍
I love this. When I first became Catholic, I was so worried that my family was not going to go to Heaven.

But, over time I have realized, it ain’t up to me. The grace of God is in many hearts and He can do whatever He wants as far as anyone going to Heaven. We don’t know.

So I pray for my family and friends and priests and religious because prayer is the best thing.

It’s been good for me to finally quit being so worried. God will take care of it all.
 
I am in dire need of some answers, my partner is considering converting, and I’d like to, but I’m so confused about Catholicism. Somebody please help me. I have questions, not criticisms. I’ve heard from protestants that the Catholic beliefs are not biblically accurate, and I wish I could get some answers. Here are a few of many, and God bless you if you help me find direction (and if you don’t!).

If the bible says that the overseer of a church needs to manage his family well and treat his wife right, why are priests required to remain celibate?

Why do the priests tell you to say a certain number of Hail Mary’s to resolve your sin if that prayer is not found in the bible?

Why can’t you take communion in the Catholic church if you’re not catholic, and why do they call it your first communion if you’ve taken communion in other churches? do they not count that?

Do Catholics believe that protestants go to heaven, or just them?

Do Catholics believe that the un-baptized go to hell?

Where did the 7 sacraments come from?

Is the rosary considered “vain repetition” that the bible talks about? Explain.

Do Catholics believe you need to go to confession to be forgiven, or that you can ask forgiveness any time any place without the need of a middle man? Does the bible say you need a middle man?

Is everything that the Catholics believe bible-based?

Do or did Catholics ever discourage personal bible study? I’ve heard that they do/have.

Can just any person who does not know much about Jesus go into a Catholic mass and understand/get a message from it? Or would they probably be confused? And if so, shouldn’t the message be clear for all?

As for the RCIA, (I think that’s what it’s called), why does the Catholic church require human approval and man-made process for you to be considered in that faith/religion?

I have many more questions, but that’s all I can think of.

Please copy and paste my questions with answers below, I’d REALLY appreciate it, I need guidance.
 
I think one might as well ask: “How does one go from being Catholic to a member of any non-Catholic faith?” 🙂
Long story short, I was raised a Catholic, but never actually believed in any of it. I could tell you the long story, but it would take me a while and I have an assignment to finish xD
 
I came here hoping to find other like-minded people; hoping I’d be brought into the community. However, other than finding answers for the faith, I haven’t found any such friends here, but quite a bit of discouragement and even hot-tempered folk who don’t know when to keep their mouths closed, and refrain their fingers from writing things that would make other people’s entry into the church hard-earned, rather than simple, easy and burdenless. As Christ said,“My yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

-MontChevalier (disheartened pre-Catholic)
 
A lot of what I knew/know about Catholicism is like the opposite of my opinions so for some reason it is interesting to me to hear other people explain themselves. While it would be kind of cool to “convert” someone (one guy said in a PM, “feel free to convert me!”) I have no expectations nor intentions of doing that.

I guess the main reason I joined this forum can be summed up like this: I would hate being Catholic, so I wanted to know why other people choose to be.

…and so far I still don’t get it.
We plant seeds, we are fellow co-workers, we convert no-one. The Holy Spirit convicts. I have been fortunate enough to have planted seeds with Lutherans and Fundamentalists as well as lapsed Catholics. There were conversions but I did not do it.
 
I am in dire need of some answers, my partner is considering converting, and I’d like to, but I’m so confused about Catholicism. Somebody please help me. I have questions, not criticisms. I’ve heard from protestants that the Catholic beliefs are not biblically accurate, and I wish I could get some answers. Here are a few of many, and God bless you if you help me find direction (and if you don’t!).

If the bible says that the overseer of a church needs to manage his family well and treat his wife right, why are priests required to remain celibate?

Why do the priests tell you to say a certain number of Hail Mary’s to resolve your sin if that prayer is not found in the bible?

Why can’t you take communion in the Catholic church if you’re not catholic, and why do they call it your first communion if you’ve taken communion in other churches? do they not count that?

Do Catholics believe that protestants go to heaven, or just them?

Do Catholics believe that the un-baptized go to hell?

Where did the 7 sacraments come from?

Is the rosary considered “vain repetition” that the bible talks about? Explain.

Do Catholics believe you need to go to confession to be forgiven, or that you can ask forgiveness any time any place without the need of a middle man? Does the bible say you need a middle man?

Is everything that the Catholics believe bible-based?

Do or did Catholics ever discourage personal bible study? I’ve heard that they do/have.

Can just any person who does not know much about Jesus go into a Catholic mass and understand/get a message from it? Or would they probably be confused? And if so, shouldn’t the message be clear for all?

As for the RCIA, (I think that’s what it’s called), why does the Catholic church require human approval and man-made process for you to be considered in that faith/religion?

I have many more questions, but that’s all I can think of.

Please copy and paste my questions with answers below, I’d REALLY appreciate it, I need guidance.
This is running as a single post and I answered it elsewhere. Why are you putting this in here as well?
 
I came here hoping to find other like-minded people; hoping I’d be brought into the community. However, other than finding answers for the faith, I haven’t found any such friends here, but quite a bit of discouragement and even hot-tempered folk who don’t know when to keep their mouths closed, and refrain their fingers from writing things that would make other people’s entry into the church hard-earned, rather than simple, easy and burdenless. As Christ said,“My yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

-MontChevalier (disheartened pre-Catholic)
Do not feel bad. I came here for friendship to. I suppose it is a two way street. You have to invite and you have to accept. I may be a bit shy. You may consider rethinking this. What kind of friends are you looking for?
 
To Wonderinguser:

All your questions are great and very legitimate when a person is a non-Catholic Christian and trying to see if you might wish to become Catholic. I was a Protestant but I joined the Catholic Church nine years ago. It would take a considerable time to answer all your questions in an adequate manner. I know this sounds lazy on my part, but I would suggest that you call a local Catholic church and tell them you are a Christian who would like to ask questions about Catholicism. They should be able to hook you up with a priest, a religious sister, or a knowledgeable lay person who can answer all of your questions in a private, confidential way. If they say that they can’t do that, call another parish. If you look, you will find…

God Bless You!🙂
 
To Wonderinguser:

All your questions are great and very legitimate when a person is a non-Catholic Christian and trying to see if you might wish to become Catholic. I was a Protestant but I joined the Catholic Church nine years ago. It would take a considerable time to answer all your questions in an adequate manner. I know this sounds lazy on my part, but I would suggest that you call a local Catholic church and tell them you are a Christian who would like to ask questions about Catholicism. They should be able to hook you up with a priest, a religious sister, or a knowledgeable lay person who can answer all of your questions in a private, confidential way. If they say that they can’t do that, call another parish. If you look, you will find…

God Bless You!🙂
This is the answer I posted in the other similar post that was started as a thread. Wonderinguser is MIA.

I find it odd that you have been given so much misinformation. I do not find it odd as to the source. You may want to study the history of Christianity. Before you join anything don’t you want to know where it started, what does it believe, how long have they been doing what they are doing?

People put time into studying Colleges they are going to attend, which Swim teacher I am sending my child to, which Karate is the oldest, which computer does what and how much. Just be a good consumer.

We do not believe that the Church is man made. You mentioned the Bible many times and so I would assume you have read the Gospel of Matthew. This is the Gospel of the Church. Protestants like to direct their listeners to the Gospel of John. Don’t know why. The Bible says that Jesus was going to found a Church. Paul says that the Church is the Body of Christ and that there is One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism and one can conclude that the Bible teaches that Jesus only established one Church. So the Church was founded by Christ, not man made.

As for RCIA. You may want to look into the history of Catechesis or instruction. The Catechumens as they are called were taught before they made a committment. Since you have encountered Protestants, there is no catechesis until after you make a committment to Protestant thought. The bible is declared to be “true”, the word of God, then the Protestant leads someone to a few verses, confess and believe and you are a Protestant. You are then asked to get a bible, read it, join a bible believing Church, join a bible study and ignore the world while you are taught/catechized in Protestant theology. It may take about 5 years before you get around to understanding the history, the differences, but by then you are steeped in Protestant thought.

RCIA educates before you commit. Your questions would be better served by looking at the tab at the top, Faith and enter your questions. I took the liberty to search a few for you here.

Vain Repetition
catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0603fea2.asp
catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0405sbs.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9409fea3.asp

Unbaptized

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0101fr.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/2007/0710fea4.asp

Celibacy

catholic.com/library/Celi…Priesthood.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/2001/0104sbs.asp

Confession

catholic.com/library/Forgiveness_of_Sins.asp

catholic.com/thisrock/1991/9101frs.asp
 
Well I am Anglican and consider myself Catholic though not Roman. So I like to think as a Catholic I’m allowed onto a Catholic forum.

Or if that’s not to your liking…

I was baptised in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost and so I am part of that One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church which is the Church Catholic… and am therefore allowed onto a Catholic forum.

Plus before we get the whole “your not Catholic only we are Catholic” line I just want to say I’m more share more of Rome’s beliefs than most Roman Catholics. Yes I disagree with some of them but surely it is better that I and people like me come onto a forum like this and try and learn about what it actually is that the Roman church teaches rather than just listing to one side and then basing our entire theological views upon potentially biased viewpoints… I’m here to get balance and learn.
 
Let me provide a somewhat different answer from my earlier one. Another perspective.

I was raised in a very mixed Catholic/Protestant atmosphere, with kinfolk in both ‘camps’. At a very young age I became quite interested in differences. I found three main expressions of faith competing within me and within others of my family. (1) Catholicism, the traditional faith on the paternal side. (2) Fundamentalist Protestantism, the faith of one grandmother. (3) Liberal, questioning Protestantism, the faith of some relatives, including a very close teenage cousin during my own teenage years.
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At a young age I went to Oka in Canada to spend time with Trappists there. I read the Our Sunday Visitor regularly (and subscribe to it today, along with America, Commonweal and US Catholic). In college I came under some Quaker influence - a Quaker-founded college - which was geared toward a very moderate, non-dogmatic, peaceful, and non-judgemental Protestantism. I have practiced a general Christianity, attending Mass but also services at various churches where the preaching or the music contributed to my spiritual sense and inspiration.

 Now, when I ran across CAF I decided to see what is was all about, and perhaps get some satisfactory answers re Catholicism. I always admired certain aspects of Catholicism, how it built hospitals and schools around the world, the examples set by Fr. Damien and Mother Theresa, the humble service of priests, monks, nuns and others. 

 In all honesty, I have run across such dogmatism, such 'holier than thou' attitudes among many posters, such bitterness toward Protestantism, that CAF seems to have increasingly pushed me toward a generalized Christianity that seeks to follow Christ (Matt. 25) but avoids a sharp sense of tribal sectarianism. In other words, I respect different expressions of Christianity but have trouble enbracing the insistence of traditional Catholicism or of  evangelical Protestantism, both of which seem to insist that they alone have a monopoly on the true meaning and spendor of the gospel. 

 I guess I've become a free-thinking Christian in that I treasure the right to think for myself, toss various doctrines over in my mind, accept or reject or simply be 'not sure' about them. I find that Catholicism seems to require that I give up this freedom. For example, I believe that priests should have the option to marry, but when you say this traditional Catholics may look at you like you're an egotist who is defying the Pope. I don't believe in insisting that Catholics all toe the line when it comes to married couples using artificial birth control once they have the number of children they believe they can care for.well. I personally would permit Catholics to have varying opinions on such central dogmas as transubstantiation, the Immaculate Conception, perpetual virginity and bodily Assumption of Mary. I have serious trouble with many of the saint stories, which so often sound more like pious legends or myths than fact. Ditto for many of the apparition accounts. When I see a long line of robed Bishops processing on EWTN the thought runs through my mind: where are the women? And there seems such an emphasis on preserving ancient and medieval traditions, while I tend to look forward and emphasize the importance of change in our changing world.

  Nonetheless, I enjoy reading the views of others and appreciate the opportunity and privilege of working out my own opinions through this venue for dialogue, I seem to have drifted toward some would describe as mainline Protestantism, the widespread form which permits a wide divergence of theologvical views, insisting only that we seek to be loyal followers of Christ and seriously attempt to live by his law of love.When I consider that ther emay be a million solar system out there, any petty claims to undestand this vast and amazing universe can sound hollow at best.

   But my faith in God is very deep, and I do try to live daily as a faithful disciple of Christ. It's all the requirements to believe this or that doctrine that tend to alienate me.
 
Let me provide a somewhat different answer from my earlier one. Another perspective.

I was raised in a very mixed Catholic/Protestant atmosphere, with kinfolk in both ‘camps’. At a very young age I became quite interested in differences. I found three main expressions of faith competing within me and within others of my family. (1) Catholicism, the traditional faith on the paternal side. (2) Fundamentalist Protestantism, the faith of one grandmother. (3) Liberal, questioning Protestantism, the faith of some relatives, including a very close teenage cousin during my own teenage years.
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At a young age I went to Oka in Canada to spend time with Trappists there. I read the Our Sunday Visitor regularly (and subscribe to it today, along with America, Commonweal and US Catholic). In college I came under some Quaker influence - a Quaker-founded college - which was geared toward a very moderate, non-dogmatic, peaceful, and non-judgemental Protestantism. I have practiced a general Christianity, attending Mass but also services at various churches where the preaching or the music contributed to my spiritual sense and inspiration.

 Now, when I ran across CAF I decided to see what is was all about, and perhaps get some satisfactory answers re Catholicism. I always admired certain aspects of Catholicism, how it built hospitals and schools around the world, the examples set by Fr. Damien and Mother Theresa, the humble service of priests, monks, nuns and others. 

 In all honesty, I have run across such dogmatism, such 'holier than thou' attitudes among many posters, such bitterness toward Protestantism, that CAF seems to have increasingly pushed me toward a generalized Christianity that seeks to follow Christ (Matt. 25) but avoids a sharp sense of tribal sectarianism. In other words, I respect different expressions of Christianity but have trouble enbracing the insistence of traditional Catholicism or of  evangelical Protestantism, both of which seem to insist that they alone have a monopoly on the true meaning and spendor of the gospel. 

 I guess I've become a free-thinking Christian in that I treasure the right to think for myself, toss various doctrines over in my mind, accept or reject or simply be 'not sure' about them. I find that Catholicism seems to require that I give up this freedom. For example, I believe that priests should have the option to marry, but when you say this traditional Catholics may look at you like you're an egotist who is defying the Pope. I don't believe in insisting that Catholics all toe the line when it comes to married couples using artificial birth control once they have the number of children they believe they can care for.well. I personally would permit Catholics to have varying opinions on such central dogmas as transubstantiation, the Immaculate Conception, perpetual virginity and bodily Assumption of Mary. I have serious trouble with many of the saint stories, which so often sound more like pious legends or myths than fact. Ditto for many of the apparition accounts. When I see a long line of robed Bishops processing on EWTN the thought runs through my mind: where are the women? And there seems such an emphasis on preserving ancient and medieval traditions, while I tend to look forward and emphasize the importance of change in our changing world.

  Nonetheless, I enjoy reading the views of others and appreciate the opportunity and privilege of working out my own opinions through this venue for dialogue, I seem to have drifted toward some would describe as mainline Protestantism, the widespread form which permits a wide divergence of theologvical views, insisting only that we seek to be loyal followers of Christ and seriously attempt to live by his law of love.When I consider that ther emay be a million solar system out there, any petty claims to undestand this vast and amazing universe can sound hollow at best.

   But my faith in God is very deep, and I do try to live daily as a faithful disciple of Christ. It's all the requirements to believe this or that doctrine that tend to alienate me.
Sounds good to me. Just know that you are following Catholic teachings. Knox, Zwingli, Luther, Calvin were all Catholic. They formulated, without any authority, as they admit they are fallible, teachings that are contrary to the OHCAC.

Sola Fide and Sola Scriptura are easy to come to terms with and would probably be ironed out with the OHCAC. They just need some clarification.

Extrinsic Justification vs Intrinsic Justification has been addressed as you know by Joint declarations with Lutherans and Methodists.

Authority is the most difficult to overcome. So understand that your Catholic teachings emanate, not from Bishops, not from any Pope, but from a few priests and a lawyer, all Catholic at one time. I believe that they are sincere. I question the authority on which they taught, acknowledging that they admit that they are fallible in their teaching and interpretation of the source they rely on, Sola Scriptura. If they were fallible after declaring to be separate that falliblity preceeding their separation. I believe that they are sincerely wrong.
 
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