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beng
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You’d be surprised.
Hang on the apologetic realm long enough and you’ll find out.
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Hang on the apologetic realm long enough and you’ll find out.
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Shari
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First of all when you want to help someone you do it with charity and love and not because you are better or just think your better than others. It isn’t your job to judge and second If Martin Luther is in hell, it wouldn’t be because he never knew the truth about the faith but because he rejected it!!! My point was someone that had never heard of the Catholic teachings or were taught completly wrong things by anti-catholics and no one else came to show them in a charitable way different. I think at the time of their judgement that Christ will give every chance for someone like that to accept Him. And I don’t think I am better than any of my Protestant friends or family! That is not Christian in my opinion. I always pray that some day they will have what I have. Also just another point about Martin Luther, he was a very disterbed man and though he was wrong in his thoughts and the way he went about things when the Church was not in a good light, he wasn’t playing with a full deck.
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beng
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Both can be done simultanously. Why seperate it?
I said it’s an educated guess
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Well, if he’s invincible ignorance and die not in the state of mortal sin, he maybe join to the church. We don’t know that.
When I said better I meant that we are in a “better shape” than they are.
We have sacraments. We have the Church. We are more secured in salvation than any Protestant even some devout ones.
Good for you. Pray the Rosary.
I agree (PS: COMMONMAN COME QUICK!!! LOL LOL)
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BobCatholic
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Hey, I’m not Roland. I’m aligned to the Catholic faith
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SPOKENWORD
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BOB, Sometimes I think your front end is out of alignment. I miss you at FH. Are you on retreat?
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Poisson
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Could we call it the “First Unreformed Apostolic Christian Church of Jesus Christ” ?
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Mfaustina1
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Beng-
Forgive me for saying this, but you come across just as “truimphalistic” as any of the most hard-lined fundamentalists I have ever heard or read. I don’t see charity in your posts. If I WERE a Protestant…(converted 2 years ago from Pentecostalism), and I read your posts, your “ego” would have shouted out the charity of the gospel. Please don’t take this in any hostile way as that is not my intention. - In His Church, by His Grace - Mfaustina1
Forgive me for saying this, but you come across just as “truimphalistic” as any of the most hard-lined fundamentalists I have ever heard or read. I don’t see charity in your posts. If I WERE a Protestant…(converted 2 years ago from Pentecostalism), and I read your posts, your “ego” would have shouted out the charity of the gospel. Please don’t take this in any hostile way as that is not my intention. - In His Church, by His Grace - Mfaustina1
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srkbdk
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Beng
I have to agree you have so much to share, but you come across so hard. I love the Church and people like you, however when I read some of what you write I can feel how it must hurt for thouse who are asking because they want an answer not a judgement. Please understand I have found many of the people here just want answers, but it seems as if you are looking for the fight. Try to answer and if someone then makes you fight then go to it, dont start in defense stance.
God Bless you have a lot to share.
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Shari
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Thank you to both you srkbdk and mfaustina. I was trying to explain this to beng in earlier posts, but was basically just stomped down by him. I am in the process of comming home, and one of the reasons it took me so long to get to this point in my life is because I knew some Catholics like this and thought they all Catholics thought this way.
I guess I was wrong. Thank you for understanding.God Bless
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srkbdk
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We all have failing that is why I am a Catholic I refuse to follow any man other than Jesus Christ who is also my God. I am so glad you are comming home remember always seek his kingdom and you will be fine. The best part of the church to me is I do not follow men I follow God.Thank you to both you srkbdk and mfaustina. I was trying to explain this to beng in earlier posts, but was basically just stomped down by him. I am in the process of comming home, and one of the reasons it took me so long to get to this point in my life is because I knew some Catholics like this and thought they all Catholics thought this way.
God Bless
God Bless and keep you.
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Shibboleth
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I took a close look at this word this morning. The contemporary use of the word means little more than “name” but it seems that that was not the original intent of the word.
The thing that made me think of this is the suffix “de-” at the beginning of the word which means that thee root is to be considered verb not noun. *
So the root “nomin” or “nomen” should be interpreted to give a name to…
The suffix “-ate” means - [indicating an office of authority]
Latin (-atus)
So now you have “nominatus” or - to give a name by an office of authority.
The prefix “de-” in this word is using the Latin meaning [from]
“-tion” an action or process - makes it a noun
So in the end the word more or less reads…
From that which was named by an office of authority.
I have only limited lexicons at my disposal this weekend so if someone wants to do more research they are more than welcome. I hope this helps.*
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tmulkey
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First off…We cannot and are not supposed to, as Catholics ever make a judgement as to who is in hell and who is not. Martin Luther, is rumored to have asked forgiveness before his death. You have no idea what happened with LeFevbre before his death, whether or not he repented. Hitler is the same. We can guess at it, if you really feel like making that assumption, but as for me, I would really prefer to worry about my own salvation rather than put myself out there as better than anyone else. As Catholics, we are taught that we are all sinners, and as a sinner, I would say to assume you are better than anyone else because of the fact that you are Catholic, and to assume you have attained salvation, because of the fact you are Catholic, puts you in direct contradiction with Scripture, since we are told that we are to 'work out our salvation with fear and trembling" (paraphrased). The Church has never taught that lay people have the right, nor do priests to know that a person has lost their salvation…even if you are only guessing 99%? What if Christ has decided that you are 99% lost? Scripture again tells us that we will be judged according to how we judge others. That does not mean we cannot judge one’s actions, to do so is to be able to discern right from wrong and it’s actually Charitable at that point if we discern that from actions, they need to be brought back to the teachings of the Church. However, if you judge the state of a soul, you are in dire risk of the state of your own soul.
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DavidMark
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This is precisely true, from the time of Christ thru the 4th century, when St. Augustine lived, up to the advent of the Arabian Prophet, in the 6th century. By teaching the clueless Arab tribes, and uniting them, Muhammad spread the Gospel of progressive Revelation, bringing to their remembrance many Prophets before Jesus, and promising more to come, NOT that He was the last.
There is no change in the way God does things. He has been sending Prophets, and He is not going to stop as long as there is a creation. His Name, the Creator, presupposes a continuing creation with many worlds that will require the sacrifices of Christs.
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Irish_Polock
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Hitler shot himself in the head. I am confident that he is in the company of the deceiver.
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DavidMark
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“…the Bible does not teach the Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation.” (Catholic Answers: Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth, p. 25)
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…none knoweth what his own end shall be. **How often hath a sinner, at the hour of death, attained to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the celestial Concourse. And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul’s ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire. (Bahá’u’lláh, The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 194) [Compare with Rom. 11:22-23, Matt.18:21-35]
Let us therefore be humble, without prejudices, preferring others’ good to our own! Let us never say, ‘I am a believer but he is an infidel’, ‘I am near to God, whilst he is an outcast’. **We can never know what will be the final judgment! **(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks , p. 147)
**“…The manner in which the Supreme Being, in His justice as well in His mercy will deal with every individual soul is a mystery unknown to us on this earthly plane.” **(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, December 21, 1938)
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…none knoweth what his own end shall be. **How often hath a sinner, at the hour of death, attained to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the celestial Concourse. And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul’s ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire. (Bahá’u’lláh, The Kitab-i-Iqan, p. 194) [Compare with Rom. 11:22-23, Matt.18:21-35]
Let us therefore be humble, without prejudices, preferring others’ good to our own! Let us never say, ‘I am a believer but he is an infidel’, ‘I am near to God, whilst he is an outcast’. **We can never know what will be the final judgment! **(‘Abdu’l-Bahá, Paris Talks , p. 147)
**“…The manner in which the Supreme Being, in His justice as well in His mercy will deal with every individual soul is a mystery unknown to us on this earthly plane.” **(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, December 21, 1938)
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puzzleannie
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The Catholic Church is neither a denomination nor a sect, but she is the Mystical Body of Christ on Earth, established by Him to begin the work of His Kingdom. There is only one Church and she is the Catholic Church. There are many members and branches of the Church family who, as in all extended families, are imperfectly reconciled with all members of the family, and who have their own disagreements with the head of the family, but there is only one Church.So, since the RC is not a denomination, but rather a sect…I think I’ll start telling my friends I go to a Non-denominational church. HA HA HA HA
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DavidMark
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Whatever the Lord pleases He does, on heaven and on earth, in the seas and all deeps. Ps. 135
The problem in every Dispensation is the Lord does what he pleases, then everyone argues. I convey that a new Revelation has dawned, but it will not be appreciated by souls unless the Lord opens their hearts to do so.
info.bahai.org/article-1-6-5-3.html
media.bahai.org/subjects/locations/
I think the “Body of Christ” is both more mystical than anyone knows, and somewhat mustier than many notice.
The problem in every Dispensation is the Lord does what he pleases, then everyone argues. I convey that a new Revelation has dawned, but it will not be appreciated by souls unless the Lord opens their hearts to do so.
info.bahai.org/article-1-6-5-3.html
media.bahai.org/subjects/locations/
I think the “Body of Christ” is both more mystical than anyone knows, and somewhat mustier than many notice.
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1beleevr
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This is highly debatable!
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1beleevr
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Funny, that’s not what my Saviour, Jesus Christ taught me(John 3:16)! Tell me, was the Ethiopian eunuch outside of the church when he was baptized by Phillip?
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Reuben_J
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Depend on where you come from. It doesn’t take away, though, the fact that the C Church has been in existence since Jesus’ time and that He had not changed His instruction otherwise since then.
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