North Carolina to Limit Bathroom Use by Birth Gender

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ChaosGamma said:
The good news is that this insanity can’t keep up forever.

Eventually something is going to snap. It might not be pretty for a while, but eventually sanity will be restored.
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Politicians will take that as a challenge! Never underestimate the power of ignorant people in large numbers.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
That’s not the American Academy of Pediatrics! That was a report released by an anti-gay lobbying group with an intentionally misleading name - not a medical organization. Both the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics support transitioning in cases of gender dysphoria.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_College_of_Pediatricians

The medical community regards them as a “fringe” group and their research is useless because they already have their “conclusions” before they start. You are entitled to your opinions, but this is not a credible source to back them.
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Who made the decision that the American College of Pediatricians is “wrong” and the American Academy of Pediatrics is “right”?
 
McCrory justified his quick signing of this legislation by saying: “The basic expectation of privacy in the most personal of settings, a restroom or locker room, for each gender was violated by government overreach and intrusion by the mayor and city council of Charlotte. [The Charlotte ordinance] defies common sense and basic community norms by allowing, for example, a man to use a woman’s bathroom, shower, or locker room.”

This is nothing but a despicable extension of the “trans predator” narrative used to justify “bathroom bills” and justify discriminatory legislation against the LGBT community.

I am enraged that this gross legislation was passed, and done so under the auspices of protecting people like me.

And I am enraged by the profoundly anti-democratic process by which this legislation was enacted. The Republicans can sit on their rear ends doing nothing for the country, refusing to do their jobs, until they have a chance to pass some discriminatory, hateful legislation, and then suddenly they’re ALL ACTION.

I take up space in solidarity with the LGBTQI people of North Carolina, who are now left with no option but to pursue recourse through the courts. And, in the meantime, will be unsafe, because the people elected to represent them cynically and cruelly misrepresent them as the threat.

The real threat is the Republican caucus of the North Carolina General Assembly.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Who made the decision that the American College of Pediatricians is “wrong” and the American Academy of Pediatrics is “right”?
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Do you know anything about medical research or the peer review process? Founding an organization on a principle and designing research to fit it is backwards - and that’s their stated mission. Even if they are correct, their research methods don’t show it. You can’t do that in any field and have your conclusions be respected.
 
pete_29 said:
Gee, hate much ?
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Hate? Not at all. I just think that would be the best form of counter protest ever. A group of sexy transwoman and even drag queens should go to conservative venues and follow men into the restrooms while staring down or winking at the men’s female partners. A few high profile reports of that happening and these silly bathroom bills won’t be a problem anymore.

Sometimes, it’s better to give people what they want than it is to shout. Apparently what people want is gruff looking transmen following young women into restrooms and sexy transwomen watching men pee.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
That’s where our whole world is screwed up. There should never be a post-op. There should never be an op. A person should remain their birth gender cradle to grave.

Have you seen this?

acpeds.org/the-college-speaks/position-statements/gender-ideology-harms-children
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BlueEyedLady beat me too it. That’s a ultra conservative advocacy group who essentially tailor their “research” to match their social/political views. They’re not a true peer association such as the American Academy of Pediatrics.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
Hate? Not at all. I just think that would be the best form of counter protest ever. A group of sexy transwoman and even drag queens should go to conservative venues and follow men into the restrooms while staring down or winking at the men’s female partners. A few high profile reports of that happening and these silly bathroom bills won’t be a problem anymore.

Sometimes, it’s better to give people what they want than it is to shout. Apparently what people want is gruff looking transmen following young women into restrooms and sexy transwomen watching men pee.
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Because that won’t just make people think that “trans”-folk are dirty perverts or anything. Certainly not.

But if it’s equality you want, you can rest assured that I will treat any “trans” person who tries watching me pee just the same as I would treat any normal person who did the same.

http://www.kotowari.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/punch.jpg
 
BlueEyedLady said:
Apparently what people want is gruff looking transmen following young women into restrooms
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Which is precisely what this bill will do. It will keep sex offenders pretending to be trannies out of women’s rest rooms.
 
ChaosGamma said:
Because that won’t just make people think that “trans”-folk are dirty perverts or anything. Certainly not.

But if it’s equality you want, you can rest assured that I will treat any “trans” person who tries watching me pee just the same as I would treat any normal person who did the same.

http://www.kotowari.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/punch.jpg
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So what do you want? You don’t want a transman in the men’s room because he was born a woman, and you don’t want them in the women’s room because that makes them “dirty perverts”.

You don’t want transwomen in the women’s restroom because they were born men, but I’ve seen a few transwomen that would make a frumpy wife very jealous, so the men’s room doesn’t work either.

That’s why this is a good protest.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Which is precisely what this bill will do. It will keep sex offenders pretending to be trannies out of women’s rest rooms.
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Right. So you’ll have people who look, sound, smell, and present as male using the same restrooms as 14 year old girls. And you’ll have no way of really being sure they were born female.
 
Lost_Sheep said:
Who made the decision that the American College of Pediatricians is “wrong” and the American Academy of Pediatrics is “right”?
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The 60,000 pediatricians who are members of the latter vs the 200 who are members of the former. That or the fact the latter is a nationally (and internationally) recognized peer association. The former is nothing but a fringe, or niche, advocacy group that does little or none of it’s own peer reviewed research.

Suggest reading this to understand just how irrelevant the ACP is…

patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2011/10/06/the-american-college-of-pediatricians-versus-the-american-academy-of-pediatrics-who-leads-and-who-follows/
 
BlueEyedLady said:
So what do you want? You don’t want a transman in the men’s room because he was born a woman, and you don’t want them in the women’s room because that makes them “dirty perverts”.

You don’t want transwomen in the women’s restroom because they were born men, but I’ve seen a few transwomen that would make a frumpy wife very jealous, so the men’s room doesn’t work either.

That’s why this is a good protest.
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“Dirty perverts” was in response to your comment about following people into the bathroom and watching them ****. Yeah, that’s going to help.

Frankly, why does this even need to be a thing? If these so-called “transwomen” are so feminine, then why not just use the women’s restroom and not make a big deal out of it? As some people are fond of pointing out, how is anybody going to know? I’m sure we’re not going to have guards performing strip searches before you can enter the restroom. Go in, go in the stall, do your business, leave.

Changing rooms or locker rooms however, that’s another story. How anyone thinks it’s a good idea to allow someone who is still physically male to be changing with real females, and vice versa, especially in a middle or high school, is beyond me.
 
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