You’re the one that is alleging the earth is 6000 years old, not me. It logically follows that you would argue against above as well. A lot of people believe what they want to - we agree on that, correct. I believe you accept that truth is relative?
All of these things are quite common among LGBT people. But the verbal abuse, insults, being made to feel embarrassed or guilty are usually a result of being gay or lesbian or transgender, not the cause. Verbal abuse and insults of LGBT people are also quite common here in CAF.Our sample also reported being: verbally abused (77%), insulted (81%), embarrassed in front of others (55%), made to feel guilty by their parents (58%) before their fifteenth birthday.
I agree. But I think they can also be a factor in causing a fracturing of sexual identity - gay male grooming of children, cross dressing children, etc. Very often victims of child abuse become abusers, have lots of psychological issues. It would be kind of odd if it were otherwise, right? I mean dogs that have abusive owners become aggressive, frightened, have all sorts of issues. You have to rehabilitate them.All of these things are quite common among LGBT people. But the verbal abuse, insults, being made to feel embarrassed or guilty are usually a result of being gay or lesbian or transgender, not the cause. Verbal abuse and insults of LGBT people are also quite common here in CAF.
If Scottish people don’t claim the person as Scottish, the person doesn’t claim to be Scottish and there is no evidence that the person is Scottish then is the person Scottish?“No true Scotsman”
That is an Onion knockoff
There have not been any treatments found to actually result in a better quality of life other than hormones and expressing their gender identity. Furthermore it does appear that for most transgender people the cause is brain structures closer to the gender they identify with than with their birth sex.There isn’t a cure for epilepsy, but it’s still treated. There isn’t a cure for depression, but it’s still treated. There isn’t a cure for bipolar disorder, but it’s still treated.
The current treatment regime followed by the APA for a person believing they’re “really” the opposite sex is hormones and surgery to make them look as much like the opposite sex as possible. By that logic, if I claim to “really” be an Apache attack helicopter, I should be given a compliment of Hellfire anti-armor missiles, filled with aviation fuel, and painted olive drab as the best possible treatment.
What’s needed is to determine the best course of treatment for helping those under this delusion to accept themselves as they really are. Any psychiatrist would do exactly that if I walked in and claimed to be an attack helicopter, the Great Wall of China, or Napoleon. Why is it so different if I - a physically normal, fully functioning male with no genetic abnormalities - claim to be a woman?
Anorexia nervosa is an addiction, being transgender is not.If a 90 pound anorexic thinks she is fat, who are we to intervene? That is what she sees in the mirror, that is how she perceives herself.
Feel free to demonstrate that.A lot.
Wonderful, lack of sources.I am sorry to hear that. Unfortunately you are incorrect. The earth is much older than 6000 years. Dinosaurs predate the human species as we know it today - but our ancestors where there of course - little shrews, male and female identities intact, “breeders” if you will. That, ironically, is why you are able to sit there typing these posts about how narrow minded their descendants are. Shrews, yes, but they were pretty darn good at transmitting biological DNA.
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So just to clarify, if someone is sexually assaulted for identifying as transgender that means the sexual assault caused them to be transgender?You’re the one that is alleging the earth is 6000 years old, not me. It logically follows that you would argue against above as well. A lot of people believe what they want to - we agree on that, correct. I believe you accept that truth is relative?
For the (N+1)th time:There have not been any treatments found to actually result in a better quality of life other than hormones and expressing their gender identity. Furthermore it does appear that for most transgender people the cause is brain structures closer to the gender they identify with than with their birth sex.
What needs to be remembered here is that this bill is not just about the transgendered, nor was it passed just to make their lives more difficult. The justification for it is that it makes it illegal for a man (or a woman) to walk into a public, multi-occupancy, rest room or locker facility of the opposite sex (where gender is determined biologically rather than psychologically.)So just to clarify, if someone is sexually assaulted for identifying as transgender that means the sexual assault caused them to be transgender?
Having your older sister “invert” your penis while encouraging you to “explore” her body is wacko. I’d say that kind of activity could have long-lasting, detrimental effects.Neither of your quotes says anything about most transgender people suffering childhood sexual trauma.
That’s one transgender person’s experience. But there is no evidence supplied that most transgender people have this kind of experience. And what about the study above in which 45% (almost half) of the transgender people did not report any “unwanted sexual event before the age of 18”. So Renée Richards’s experience can hardly be considered as evidence for what causes someone to be transgender.Having your older sister “invert” your penis while encouraging you to “explore” her body is wacko. I’d say that kind of activity could have long-lasting, detrimental effects.
I think it actually goes further. By requiring that a man assert that he self- identifies as a female, and on that basis permits him to enter public female bathroom/locker room/showers is on its face discriminatory against all other males. It, effectively, denies equal protection.What needs to be remembered here is that this bill is not just about the transgendered, nor was it passed just to make their lives more difficult. The justification for it is that it makes it illegal for a man (or a woman) to walk into a public, multi-occupancy, rest room or locker facility of the opposite sex (where gender is determined biologically rather than psychologically.)
Ignore for a moment the impact on the transgendered and address this issue: if a man can be accepted as a woman simply by claiming to be one, what is to prevent men from entering any woman’s facility if all that is necessary is for him to assert that he is female?
What is the legal definition of a transgender person? Focusing solely on the presumed impact on the transgender because this law was passed is to ignore the impact on everyone else if it was not passed.
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If they are only worried about safety issues, then why don’t they accept a bathroom for them only. They are trying to force their way onto us and won’t quit till they do, Just like SS (so called) marriage. God Bless, MemawIt is so funny - if it were men’s bathrooms on offer, can you imagine? They would not put up with it for a minute. There are already safety issues connected with this - fear of assault by men is why women’s locker-rooms and bathrooms are preferred by transgender individuals of both sexes.
My problem is that these laws extend so far beyond this issue of transgenderism - it now affects everyone negatively, in a serious way, namely of course women and children.
It is not the sexual perversion, although that seems to be the order of the day.Is there any sexual perversion the modern left will not support under the guise of “equality” . Are we really having a discussion as to whether allowing men to use the women’s restroom is a civil rights issue??? Do they really think boycotting North Carolina is the modern day equivalent of marching across the Selma bridge with Martin Luther King ?
However it does appear that only sexual delusions are considered “normal”It is not the sexual perversion, although that seems to be the order of the day.
It is all sin.
Satan wishes for sin to be considered a virtue. To do so, it must first be made an issue of civil rights.
Then those that fall for this will consider the negative consequences of the sin a type of martyrdom.
Bingo. Assuming the person is a white male:However it does appear that only sexual delusions are considered “normal”
And lets punish any business that does not treat you like a woman.Bingo. Assuming the person is a white male:
- I am black = Insane
- I am Napoleon = Insane
- I am an ostrich = Insane
- I am the Eiffel Tower = Insane
- I am an Apache attack helicopter = Insane
- I am a woman = Perfectly sane, now let’s get you into surgery to make you look as much like a woman as possible.
Thanks for posting this. I would be surprised if Bruce Springsteen actually knew the contents of the bill, or cared. It is a cultural thing, that is all. I also don’t think he knows that 51% of the state supports the bill, or cares. He would get much more flak if he played there, right? It is about Hollywood intimidation, left wing McCarthyism. I remember when bands would play in Russia or South Africa, right. It was a statement. Not North Carolina, no sirree.For the record: North Carolina’s House Bill 2 does indeed prevent men from entering women’s bathrooms. But for those repelled by this, it also provides for reasonable accommodations such as single-occupancy facilities, and it even opens the doors for transgender people who have invested in their journey sufficiently to have their sex changed on their birth certificates. Private businesses, of course, are free to accommodate as they wish.
I actually think the comparison in an insult to McCarthyism.Thanks for posting this. I would be surprised if Bruce Springsteen actually knew the contents of the bill, or cared. It is a cultural thing, that is all. I also don’t think he knows that 51% of the state supports the bill, or cares. He would get much more flak if he played there, right? ** It is about Hollywood intimidation, left wing McCarthyism. ** I remember when bands would play in Russia or South Africa, right. It was a statement. Not North Carolina, no sirree.
I’ve stated this before, but if a number of states put up reasonable bills like this, and hold to them, even compromising by accommodating transgender persons as this one does, I think that is the best way to stop this irresponsible extremism.
What causes cancer? A variety of factors. Likewise, with transgenderism…probably more than just one factor. That doesn’t mean Mr. Richard’s experience didn’t cause the problem. And, in the study you are referring to, are you telling us that 55 % did report unwanted sexual events even before the age of 18? That’s huge.That’s one transgender person’s experience. But there is no evidence supplied that most transgender people have this kind of experience. And what about the study above in which 45% (almost half) of the transgender people did not report any “unwanted sexual event before the age of 18”. So Renée Richards’s experience can hardly be considered as evidence for what causes someone to be transgender.
You may have a point. Communism was a threat and there were communists in Hollywood. I do think McCarthy took it too far, went on slight evidence. Created an intimidating atmosphere. The provisions of this law are actually pretty tame, given the militant blowback.I actually think the comparison in an insult to McCarthyism.
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A correlation does not imply causation. Since no one knows what causes people to be transgender, how do you know that it can be caused by a variety of factors or what those factors might be? It’s mere speculation on your part, not a proven fact that childhood sexual trauma can be a cause.What causes cancer? A variety of factors. Likewise, with transgenderism…probably more than just one factor. That doesn’t mean Mr. Richard’s experience didn’t cause the problem. And, in the study you are referring to, are you telling us that 55 % did report unwanted sexual events even before the age of 18? That’s huge.