North Carolina to Limit Bathroom Use by Birth Gender

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Padres1969 said:
Probably because laws like this aren’t actually meant change anything. They’re simply enacted to score political brownie points. Because they certainly aren’t enforceable in most situations. Not unless you’re going to have a monitor at the door of every bathroom asking people to drop trou as they walk in so their sex can be confirmed or if you’re going to ask everyone to walk around with their original birth certificate on their person to be checked as you enter.
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Right again. And, in all fairness, I don’t think there is a lot of awareness on this issue, and thank God for that; how much time do we want to spend thinking about this? I couldn’t have cared less about it until two weeks ago. 😉 I don’t think a lot of people who support or oppose cross-bathroom use legislation understand what will happen when it is put in place. They want one thing, but get a whole bunch of other things.

Just another opportunity to compromise, which we are so good at in this country, aren’t we? 😃 But you see why someone like me is happy to see this NC law. Along those lines, I also have now signed the state-wide petition to repeal the Washington State law, which is gathering steam. (no pun intended)
 
Interesting that these big blue-state governors aren’t willing to spend their people’s tax money for a change…
 
FollowChrist34 said:
What is this accomplishing? And I think assaults will occur somewhere at some point. Recently at a public pool restroom in Washington an unidentified man entered twice in one day while girls were changing; it was not clear why he was there. He was not transgender I don’t believe. And there was a verbal altercation when he was asked to leave; he refused. The law states that you cannot ask anyone to leave. Anyone can use whatever bathroom they want to. Regular pool users have also stated that they now feel unsafe.

Bottom line: these open use laws have good intentions, bad results.
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At least one occurred already relating to the general issue at hand:

lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault

And the general rule of thumb with sexual assault is that it tends to be under-reported, with some exceptions (Duke LaCrosse Rape Case).
 
sallybutler said:
What kind of change are you suggesting?
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Well, take Dan Malloy of CT for instance, who barely got elected in 2014. He taxes and taxes the folks in CT and consistent with Democratic policy he spends a lot of money. But it’s interesting he’s not willing to do so here.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Right - with open laws, you can’t monitor who does what. No means to ensure public safety. Why is this an afterthought?
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I hope it’s not an afterthought, because it’s problematic when a state does this to municipalities from a purely government size, local government is best perspective.

But from a legal standpoint, it would give someone who was assaulted in a bathroom another arrow to protect him or herself, for one.

I also think this is about religious liberty more than anything else, not about policing bathrooms. I think it’s to protect businesses from lawsuits and the like should they tell someone to use the appropriate bathroom in their establishment if someone else complains.
 
SuperLuigi said:
At least one occurred already relating to the general issue at hand:

lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault

And the general rule of thumb with sexual assault is that it tends to be under-reported, with some exceptions (Duke LaCrosse Rape Case).
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Right on under-reporting. People are afraid to say anything if they feel uncomfortable or are in an intimidating situation. Especially women, which is why these laws go as far as they do. After my incident I asked several women how they felt - one thought I was in the wrong, two were for me - one of those with me gave me a thumbs up, but of course neither one of them said a word to the management…(the gym manager is even kind of on board; he said he actually knew that a lot of women felt like I do)
 
Given that this person was sexually assaulting women before the bill passed, it is unsurprising that he continued to sexually assault women after it passed.
 
Joie_de_Vivre said:
Given that this person was sexually assaulting women before the bill passed, it is unsurprising that he continued to sexually assault women after it passed.
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Bills don’t assault women, people assault women.
 
Bills that aid in assault by providing such loopholes help the criminals with their assaults.

Ed
 
And all the SJW’s - both individuals and businesses - lose their poop over it. :rolleyes:
 
Good for the University of Toronto. Mind you, Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Adams will never play there again, but hey, is that a bad thing or not - I wonder. Do people still go their concerts? Aside from Susan Sarandon?

Seriously, I do think this new militant trendiness in nongender bathrooms is the stuff of Eugene McCarthy. Throw in a little voyeurism, potential assault. These laws will fall, but not before quite a bit of unpleasantness, intimidation is endured by many, many women. So much for women’s rights to equal dignity, treatment before the law. Feminism did originally have a point, before it became wacko militant trendiness, and then apparently died out in any meaningful sense.
 
FYI - I just closed my PayPal account over the phone. The representative asked for a reason and I told her North Carolina. She was very nice and apologized - she said she had received numerous calls/closings (“policy” is what they are calling this reason for closing) and that PayPal hoped that they could do business with me in the future. (She thanked me twice for being nice to her about it - so if you do this, please be nice about it. It is much more effective.) But it sounds like people are dropping PayPal - I have no idea how many, but it’s happening.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
Good for the University of Toronto. Mind you, Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Adams will never play there again, but hey, is that a bad thing or not - I wonder. Do people still go their concerts? Aside from Susan Sarandon?

Seriously, I do think this new militant trendiness in nongender bathrooms is the stuff of Eugene McCarthy. Throw in a little voyeurism, potential assault. These laws will fall, but not before quite a bit of unpleasantness, intimidation is endured by many, many women. So much for women’s rights to equal dignity, treatment before the law. Feminism did originally have a point, before it became wacko militant trendiness, and then apparently died out in any meaningful sense.
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From: Liberals’ Double Standard on Bathrooms, Boycotts, and Religious Freedom
Take the cases of Bruce Springsteen and Bryan Adams. They said their consciences require them to deny their artistic gifts and talents to citizens of states that have enacted policy they disagreed with. And, of course, they have that right.
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Adams wrote: “I cannot in good conscience perform in a state where certain people are being denied their civil rights.”
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He’s wrong about the laws—they don’t deny anyone civil rights. Instead, they protect civil rights. They protect religious freedom, which, as the liberal American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) once acknowledged, is a civil liberty.
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So Springsteen and Adams are exercising their freedom of conscience by boycotting states that sought to protect the consciences of adoption agencies, religious schools, bakers, and florists. Do they not see the hypocrisy?
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dailysignal.com/2016/04/11/liberals-double-standard-on-bathrooms-boycotts-and-religious-freedom/
 
_Abyssinia said:
From: Liberals’ Double Standard on Bathrooms, Boycotts, and Religious Freedom

dailysignal.com/2016/04/11/liberals-double-standard-on-bathrooms-boycotts-and-religious-freedom/
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Right. I am offfended by it. Good thing I never liked either one of them musically. 😉 I don’t own a thing by either one. In time, I think people will be surprised at how uncomfortable a lot of women feel about this issue. I saw somewhere that 32% of Democrats disapprove of nongender bathrooms, 62% of Independents, and I presume a high number of GOP voters. (and this is now, before any highly publicized assaults/rapes/voyeurism against women/girls)
 
In crowded venues women have to wait in longer lines to use the restroom than men do. Women all know this. So now because of the LGT-etc., we not only have to wait in longer lines but have to share our space with men?!
Seriously, I don’t want men in the women’s restrooms and am sure most women would be uncomfortable with this situation.
 
FollowChrist34 said:
FYI - I just closed my PayPal account over the phone. The representative asked for a reason and I told her North Carolina. She was very nice and apologized - she said she had received numerous calls/closings (“policy” is what they are calling this reason for closing) and that PayPal hoped that they could do business with me in the future. (She thanked me twice for being nice to her about it - so if you do this, please be nice about it. It is much more effective.) But it sounds like people are dropping PayPal - I have no idea how many, but it’s happening.
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livnlern said:
In crowded venues women have to wait in longer lines to use the restroom than men do. Women all know this. So now because of the LGT-etc., we not only have to wait in longer lines but have to share our space with men?!
Seriously, I don’t want men in the women’s restrooms and am sure most women would be uncomfortable with this situation.
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They are not men. A transwoman is a woman. Same with a transman is a man. Sometimes I think the best solution is for all people born with a penis to have it removed by the age of five so none of this testosterone will ever become an issue.
 
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