Not allowed to say He or Him for God

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In our Seattle parish, we’re not allowed to use He or Him as a pronoun for God. Of course, “it” sounds stupid.

Anybody encounter this?
I have not encountered this and I find it utterly ridiculous. The bible often refers to god as “the father” so I honestly see no problem with it. I feel that maybe you should try out another parish.
 
Genesis uses he 480+ times, many times for the Father. That settles it for me.
Even John 3:16 says he. Hopefully they are not trying to be politically correct.

As for someone referring to God as physical, John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
 
We call God the Father He because He is the creator, is referred to He in Scripture. Same reason for the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Also He unlike she, does not necessarily imply a gender.
 
Ok so we have established that God is male?
No. But neither have we established that He is not. I think you are looking at things in a very limited way. By asking a question such as you did about God having a penis, you displayed a certain level of well, prejudice in the matter. You are allowing yourself to create God in your own image, whatever that might be. God is God. You cannot change what He is. Jesus referred to Him as The Father. That is a reality that cannot be changed, no matter how politically incorrect it may seem in these enlightened times.
 
…snip rhetoric of damnation…
Please refrain from blasphemy.

As to the OP… someone in authority in your parish seems either to be a heretic, or grossly misinformed. You ought to inform your bishop immediately because if your parish is teaching feminism, souls are being imperiled and led astray.
 
Sorry but you’re gravely mistaken and should read some entry level catechism - as it is right now your viewpoints are not Christian and in no way Catholic.

Google “Athanasian Creed” and Baltimore Catechism.
Dear, the Trinity is Monotheism and mainstream Trinitarian Christological dogma determined by the first two Ecumenical Councils…this is also considered a mark and base of the Oriental and Eastern Orthodoxy…

Maybe in trying to explain the Creation of Life and Evolution for this Cycle as the Trinity of the 3 Godheads, I should have clarified better that they are all Combined as ONE GOD, together…also the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost has always been SHE…you may not know that she is considered the Feminine Principle of GOD…besides I am already too old to change what I have always been…
 
Um, no, that is heresy. And most definitely not Catholic dogma of the Trinity.
My, my…before you say that and point a finger, study Monotheism, Trinitarian Christological dogma and try to realize the RCC utilized and included the Trinity from Oriental & Eastern Orthodoxy religions. There are 3 distinct Godheads, however, they are ALL Combined as ONE. I was taught by Nuns as Teachers over 45 years ago…and they taught me that the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost…is the Feminine Principle of GOD and the Nurturer of Life.
 
My, my…before you say that and point a finger, study Monotheism, Trinitarian Christological dogma and try to realize the RCC utilized and included the Trinity from Oriental & Eastern Orthodoxy religions. There are 3 distinct Godheads, however, they are ALL Combined as ONE. I was taught by Nuns as Teachers over 45 years ago…and they taught me that the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost…is the Feminine Principle of GOD and the Nurturer of Life.
I was also taught by the good Sisters & Brothers over 50 yrs. ago. And was not taught anything even close to what you claim the Nuns taught you.

Please backup your claims with reliable sources.
 
I just walked in the door of this thread, but I can’t see why all the fuss. None of this is heresy or diabolical or whatever. It’s simple and plain nonsense. Let’ s not over complicate things, as St. Bonaventure used to tell our brothers when he was the Minsiter General.

There is only one God-head. All of the persons in the Trinity are con-substantial. The Trinity is not something that we picked up from some Eastern inspiration, but it has been revealed in scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

God does not have a sex. The Incarnate Son is the only person in the Trinity who has gender and sex, because he has human nature.

The use of the masculine pronouns is proper grammar in most languages when speaking about a person who is not female or about a group in a mixed group. Since God is not matter, he is not he or she. But proper grammar has to assign him a pronoun to facilitate speaking. The classical way of doing it is to use the masculine.

From the theological perspective, Jesus refers to the first person of the Trinity as He and Father. It make sense that we use the same terms to keep the consistency.

The Church has never decreed that God is masculine or feminine, but that man (male and female) is created in God’s image and likeness. Therefore, we can safely assume that God has feminine and masculine qualities. That is revealed to us through creation.

I fail to see why people need to reinvent the wheel, as if they could come up with a new and improved version of ROUND.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
There is only one God-head. All of the persons in the Trinity are con-substantial. The Trinity is not something that we picked up from some Eastern inspiration, but it has been revealed in scripture from Genesis to Revelation.

God does not have a sex. The Incarnate Son is the only person in the Trinity who has gender and sex, because he has human nature.

Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF 🙂
JR:
Sadly, youre "a voice crying in the wilderness". You cant change some peoples beliefs; no matter what. This threads getting like a “priestess” thread.
 


God does not have a sex
. The Incarnate Son is the only person in the Trinity who has gender and sex, because he has human nature.

The use of the masculine pronouns is proper grammar in most languages when speaking about a person who is not female or about a group in a mixed group. Since God is not matter, he is not he or she. But proper grammar has to assign him a pronoun to facilitate speaking. The classical way of doing it is to use the masculine.

From the theological perspective, Jesus refers to the first person of the Trinity as He and Father. It make sense that we use the same terms to keep the consistency.

The Church has never decreed that God is masculine or feminine, but that man (male and female) is created in God’s image and likeness. Therefore, we can safely assume that God has feminine and masculine qualities. That is revealed to us through creation.

I fail to see why people need to reinvent the wheel, as if they could come up with a new and improved version of ROUND.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Thank you. What you have written makes a lot of sense to me
 
Dear, the Trinity is Monotheism and mainstream Trinitarian Christological dogma determined by the first two Ecumenical Councils…this is also considered a mark and base of the Oriental and Eastern Orthodoxy…

Maybe in trying to explain the Creation of Life and Evolution for this Cycle as the Trinity of the 3 Godheads, I should have clarified better that they are all Combined as ONE GOD, together…also the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost has always been SHE…you may not know that she is considered the Feminine Principle of GOD…besides I am already too old to change what I have always been…
Do you go to Mass on Sundays? In the new Mass, you should be reciting the following as part of the Nicene creed:

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
Who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the prophets.

Unfortunately, what you learned from your nuns is incorrect and not what the Church teaches. You are not too old to learn our faith more fully! You already understand that we worship the Most Holy Trinity, and that our God is one God, not three Gods.

We refer to one Godhead, not three, since “whenever Holy Scripture uses the term, it makes mention of the Godhead in the singular; as—‘In Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead’ [Colossians 2:9] ; and, elsewhere—‘The invisible things of Him from the foundation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead’ [Romans 1:20] .” (St. Gregory of Nyssa, On the Holy Trinity)
 
My, my…before you say that and point a finger, study Monotheism, Trinitarian Christological dogma and try to realize the RCC utilized and included the Trinity from Oriental & Eastern Orthodoxy religions. There are 3 distinct Godheads, however, they are ALL Combined as ONE. I was taught by Nuns as Teachers over 45 years ago…and they taught me that the Holy Spirit/Holy Ghost…is the Feminine Principle of GOD and the Nurturer of Life.
I have studied Monotheism and the Baltimore Catechism, so I can tell you without reserve that the Catholic Church teaches that there are not 3 distinct Godheads. There is only 1 God who consists of three distinct Persons, Father Son and Holy Spirit.

I have no idea where you’re getting the stuff about Oriental Religions and Feminine principles of God and whatnot, but whatever it is, it isn’t Catholic. Sorry. 🤷
 
wow that is very sad 😦 sounds like the parish is very liberal… 😦
I wouldn’t call it liberal, because it makes liberal sound like a dirty word. There are times when being liberal is good.

This is not a matter of being liberal, this is a matter of being silly. I have never understood why people have a need to reinvent the wheel as if they could come up with a better version of round.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
My parish is one of the more conservative parishes in the Seattle archdiocese. We actually have a pro-life group—albeit a small one.
 
In our Seattle parish, we’re not allowed to use He or Him as a pronoun for God. Of course, “it” sounds stupid.

Anybody encounter this?
God is refered to our FATHER in heaven…and on that note…how do you recite the Our Father?
 
Never heard such a thing and I went to RCC schools, even through High School…we were all taught and know the history of the Trinity, the 3 Godheads…the first is our Supreme Father God…the second Godhead of the Trinity is the Mother God…and the third Godhead of this Trinity, is the Son, as the Word of God.

Maybe there is some confusion in pronouncing which God is being referenced when you use the word God in prayer? Usually, when praying to God, it is assumed we are praying to The One, The All, The First Godhead as our Supreme Father God…HE
Uh, the third of the Godhead is the Holy Spirit. The second is the Son. I don’t know where we get this Mother God business, but Mary is the Mother of God (the Son, Jesus), but she herself is not God.

"Go, baptizing

In the name of the Father,
the Son,
  • and the Holy Spirit
And behold, I am with you until the end of the age."

We do not have any choice in this matter. Christ has already settled what we shall call them, and as Christians we must obey, regardless of our personal leanings.
 
Uh, the third of the Godhead is the Holy Spirit. The second is the Son.

"Go, baptizing

In the name of the Father,
the Son,
  • and the Holy Spirit
Whoah!!! There is only one God-Head. There are three persons in that God-Head. Observe that Jesus refers to the “name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit” in the singular. He does not say the names. In other parts of scripture she says that he and the Father are one. John’s Prologue refers to the Logos as being with God (a separate person) and being God (one God-Head).

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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