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if i tell you Be devoted to God, Love your neighbour and you will attain me, does it mean God told me to tell you so or could it be me telling you what i heard from others? you will understand if i am speaking the word of God if i do not contradict what others said about God because both cannot be correct.?
Well…if you were speaking the Word of God, your word would be scripture (as Krishna’s Word in the Gita and Jesus Word in the Bible)

Why can they both not be correct?

Does God have any limits whatsoever?
Why would God tell a buddhist : attein enlightnment through your own efforts , yet the same God tells a Christian “you are nothing without me”? do you think this is the same God who gives opposite teachings : self-reliance v/s reliance only on God?
Well - Buddhists don’t accept God…Vaishnavas say the Buddha was an incarnation.

And, actually the Buddhist sect “Jodo Shinshu” teaches “Other Power” vs “Self Power,” so I don’t see your point.

Again - God’s message is different for different tempraments.
We all have different tastes…

Buddhists call this “Expedient Means.”
 
Not blind faith,but on faith. Christ Holy Catholic and Apostolic church.
Because Jesus Christ gave the Church that position and Authority.

God Choose the people and the way to reveal himself. who am I to question the vehicle that God has chosen.
And a Hindu would say that God revealed himself through Krishna and a Muslim says God revealed himself though Muhammed…

So who are WE to question?
 
Actually, the date of Krishna was probably, at the latest, around 1500 BCE, if not earlier. Krishna’s city of Dwarka might have been recently located, in a now-submerged locality off the coast of western India.
Actually, if Krishna’s birth was was circa 3500 or 1500 BC (the earlier date ALSO from a Hindu source-claim, so which one do we go on???) is immaterial–either one is non historical. The Indians were not writing any decipherable texts for us to say “there he (Krishna) is!” There were probably mythic tales of some pre 1200 BC folk hero who may have been called Krishna–who like all mythic characters is “long ago and far, far away” (maybe the land of Far Far Away from Shrek II?) In fact, the child tales of Krishna are really in the same order of Herakles (Hercules), what with stealing butter, moving mountains, and of course multiplying himself for all those Gopis (milkmaids),

Literally ANYBODY can take a folk tale and attach all sorts of things to it–to amuse people, to instruct them, and to promote a social–or religious agenda. And the Vedic literature is rife with that sort of embellishment–placing all sorts of religious claims on non verifiable events–and projecting long later ananchronisms of society and technology into far earlier times.

That last deserves a bit of explanation–in the Mahabarata, where Krishna plays a significant part, we have described a magnified post 1200 BC civilization–what with steel weapons, chariot mounted archery using nobility, etc…things utterly absent from pre-1200 indian civilization–at least as far as archaelogy has been able to coraborate. In some ways, the pre-1200 Indian civilizations of india were better than contemporary Sumer–they had efficient sewers and public baths–but in no way were they a civilization that could have fielded the multiple-million man armies (both sides) described in the Mahabarata. If the Book of Mormon falls flat on this claim so does the Mahabarata.

In short, Jesus of Nazareth is historical, the gospels are historical. Krishna and the Vedas are not.
 
I don’t know about Hinduism but if they teach everything we teach regarding morality AND God, then by all means do enlighten us…St. Paul reached India…was he preaching Hinduism? did God send him to India to teach Hinduism? the Bible says no. So either the Bible or Hinduism.
 
Actually, if Krishna’s birth was was circa 3500 or 1500 BC (the earlier date ALSO from a Hindu source-claim, so which one do we go on???) is immaterial–either one is non historical. The Indians were not writing any decipherable texts for us to say “there he (Krishna) is!” There were probably mythic tales of some pre 1200 BC folk hero who may have been called Krishna–who like all mythic characters is “long ago and far, far away” (maybe the land of Far Far Away from Shrek II?) In fact, the child tales of Krishna are really in the same order of Herakles (Hercules), what with stealing butter, moving mountains, and of course multiplying himself for all those Gopis (milkmaids),

Literally ANYBODY can take a folk tale and attach all sorts of things to it–to amuse people, to instruct them, and to promote a social–or religious agenda. And the Vedic literature is rife with that sort of embellishment–placing all sorts of religious claims on non verifiable events–and projecting long later ananchronisms of society and technology into far earlier times.

That last deserves a bit of explanation–in the Mahabarata, where Krishna plays a significant part, we have described a magnified post 1200 BC civilization–what with steel weapons, chariot mounted archery using nobility, etc…things utterly absent from pre-1200 indian civilization–at least as far as archaelogy has been able to coraborate. In some ways, the pre-1200 Indian civilizations of india were better than contemporary Sumer–they had efficient sewers and public baths–but in no way were they a civilization that could have fielded the multiple-million man armies (both sides) described in the Mahabarata. If the Book of Mormon falls flat on this claim so does the Mahabarata.

In short, Jesus of Nazareth is historical, the gospels are historical. Krishna and the Vedas are not.
I’m surprised that a Catholic would take a sola-scriptura approach to the Indic traditions.😃 Devotion to Krishna need not be based on a literalistic reading of any Hindu text. Indeed, it’s the living example of the Sat-Guru, the Jivanmukta, or the Paramahansa who verify the reality that Avatars such as Krishna or Rama embody.
 
In short, Jesus of Nazareth is historical, the gospels are historical. Krishna and the Vedas are not.
If you take a Western, linear approach to History…

I thought Catholics didn’t agree with modern science?

Agree when it supports your conclusions, disagree when it doesn’t.

And besides - who wrote the supposed “history” you’re claiming is the “truth?”

Ahhh!!! WESTERN (Euro-American CHRISTIAN) people who are COMMITTED to DESTROYING any other religion other than Christianity!!!

Seems rather suspect to me!!!

The Muslims came into Bharatavarsha intent on destroying Vedic culture, the British came into Bharatavarsha intent on destroying Vedic culture and modern consumer culture seems intent on destroying Vedic culture. But that’s ok!

God has promised (and shown) that he will incarnate again and again to renew and refresh the Eternal Truth.

The Vedic timeframe is MUCH vaster than anything western science of religion or philosophy has been able to concieve of.

I’m sorry you still insist on placing the unlimited God into your own limited frame of reference.
 
I suggest you all read the Encyclopedia of Authentic Hinduism.
That explains much.
How the Bhartiya scriptures are Eternal and how the Bible isn’t eternal.
 
I suggest you all read the Encyclopedia of Authentic Hinduism.
That explains much.
How the Bhartiya scriptures are Eternal and how the Bible isn’t eternal.
Is it available online? I’m afraid my wallet does not extend as far as my interest.
 
Thanks I’ll give it a good read, Hinduism is the one religion I know very little about, despite having grown up around it all my life.
You’re welcome…Finally!!! Civility and an open mind!!!

THANK YOU!!!
 
You’re welcome…Finally!!! Civility and an open mind!!!

THANK YOU!!!
Only open minded from an academic point of view 😛

Spiritually I’m Catholic through and through.

You’re welcome though, and thank you for giving me something to think about.
 
Only open minded from an academic point of view 😛

Spiritually I’m Catholic through and through.

You’re welcome though, and thank you for giving me something to think about.
That’s fine. Hopefully you’ll get some answers.

I still haven’t had my original question answered here…

Its seems like Catholics say believe what we say because the Bible says so and they are unable to show why I must accept the Bible as more infalliable than the Vedic scriptures.
 
That’s fine. Hopefully you’ll get some answers.

I still haven’t had my original question answered here…

Its seems like Catholics say believe what we say because the Bible says so and they are unable to show why I must accept the Bible as more infalliable than the Vedic scriptures.
I hope nobody said you ‘‘must’’ accept the Bible as infallible. Being a Christian is a choice. Personally I was raised as a Catholic, but in a very anti Catholic home environment, throughout my teenage years I have had numerous experiences that have led me back to the Church each time. As the Church compiled the Bible in it’s current form I believe in the Bible as authoritative.
 
That’s fine. Hopefully you’ll get some answers…
Do you think evolution happened? Or do you reject it? The site you referenced seems to reject evolution.

From “The True History and the Religion of India” site:
One should not think that how did the animals just appear on the earth planet, or that there may be some kind of evolution process involved in that. The impracticality of the theory of evolution has already been discussed. The most significant thing is this, that when a Divine personality Brahma who is so powerful, that he creates the whole brahmand, maintains the entire planetary system, and remembers the identity of each and every living being of the earth planet from each and every bacteria to an elephant and all the human beings as well, then there is no reason that he can’t create the bodies of the animals. So he does, and thus, the first creation of the animal world was done by Brahma.
 
Do you think evolution happened? Or do you reject it? The site you referenced seems to reject evolution.

From “The True History and the Religion of India” site:
Hmmm…I don’t see how evolution is related to the thread topic…
😃

The scriptures are in agreement that the various universes were created.

The Srimad Bhagavata Mahapurana goes into that subject in great detail.

Where is the conflict between this view and the Catholic view?

Doesn’t Catholicism say that the univerce(s) was/were created?
 
I hope nobody said you ‘‘must’’ accept the Bible as infallible. Being a Christian is a choice. Personally I was raised as a Catholic, but in a very anti Catholic home environment, throughout my teenage years I have had numerous experiences that have led me back to the Church each time. As the Church compiled the Bible in it’s current form I believe in the Bible as authoritative.
So you just take the Church’s word for it?

That doesn’t seem very scientific or logical…
 
So you just take the Church’s word for it?

That doesn’t seem very scientific or logical…
I have been led by God to this Church. When I find something I do not think I can follow, I study deeper, it has worked so far. Prayer led me to God, God led me to the Church, the Church wrote the Bible, that is pretty much the process.

How did you come across Hinduism, the site you gave does not seem to espouse the mainstream/traditional Hinduism (or what little I have learned of it.
 
We don’t, that is not what the Catholic Church teaches. We believe that that are parts of the truth in many places. They aren’t necessarily false, just incomplete. We believe that the fullness of Truth is in The Catholic Church.
 
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