Notre Dame presses charges against pro life protestors

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What is Notre Dame pressing charges for?
If it is for protesting, I am with you and the charge will go no-where–Freedom of speach.
If however, the charges are for property damage etc. Then I think they should press charges. Not agreeing with someone does not give us the right to destroy.
A later example:
In Wichita, a doctor who performs abortions is killed.
To protest his actions should be done.
To kill him is just as bad his killing the innocent un-born. And the killer needs to be removed from society to protect society. (To kill the killer would be just as bad an action as his action of killing is to stop abortion.)
Causing property damage is not near as bad as denying a person his right to life.
But the protestors still have the obligation to protect and respect the property of the University, even though they are rightfully expressing their disagreement with what the University is doing.
In destroying university property, they are also doing a moral injustice.
Fr. Linus
As I understood the article, it was NOT for destruction of property, it was against 2 women who came on campus without permission to hand out literature on the detrimental affects of abortion. They didn’t have permission to do that. I’m not about disobeying rules, but to press charges for this seems like a stretch. Looks somewhat like bullying to me.:rolleyes: I didn’t see anything in the article that made reference to destruction of property, only disobedience of their rules.

BTW, I fully agree with you on the Tiller murder. THOU SHALT NOT KILL, PERIOD!!!
 
I do agree with you. But I also think that the weight of the truth that we’re dealing with is too profound and “weighted” to be handled simply in polite conversation. If innocent children are being killed in a violent manner, then this is something that carries frightening consequences.
But I think the biggest problem in this case is that there shouldn’t have been this conflict. ND should not have gotten into this mess. But in the end, there wasn’t even a debate at all. The difference of opinion was simply forced on the Catholic faithful.
The bishops are making it seem like this issue is an open matter and that ND has one point of view and the bishops (who opposed ND) simply have another one.
If this was a question about whether or not to use chemical fertilizer on the Notre Dame campus lawns, or something like that, I could see it being a mere difference of opinion.

In any case, I agree that a positive message is much better – although not the only one. I think we do need the stark message of the murder of infants also, because that’s really the issue.
 
There is John Brown and Bloody Kansas. What are your views on that?
 
Notre Dame has the legal right to ban as many pro-life protestors from its campus as it chooses to do. Just as it has the legal right to bestow honors on the leaders of the culture of death, so to does it have right to treat pro-life protesters on its campus with scorn and criminal charges.
 
Notre Dame has the legal right to ban as many pro-life protestors from its campus as it chooses to do. Just as it has the legal right to bestow honors on the leaders of the culture of death, so to does it have right to treat pro-life protesters on its campus with scorn and criminal charges.
Notre Dame also has the legal right to open up an abortion clinic on campus if they want to.
 
All I can say is that over 14 million dollars have been withheld from Notre Dame from benefactors already, how much more do they stand to lose with this decision:shrug: 20 million??
 
It just seems to me ND is thumbing their nose at the pro life side of Catholicism. If this group would have been out of control, or destroying property or the like, of course, they would have to take action but please, two women who went “out of bounds” to destribute literature? This is clearly a backlash from all the outcry they received.
 
We have the right to demand that a Catholic University act like one. I think it is time for the Holy See to sanction Fr. Jenkins, his Order, and Notre Dame (or should it now be call Notre Shame).
 
The University of Notre Dame does not want any unauthorized protests on its campus. This stems from the protests of the 60s – they don’t want anything on campus that might get out of control.
No, Notre Dame wants to rub it in the noses of those Catholics who opposed their feting of the Lord Obama.
 
No, Notre Dame wants to rub it in the noses of those Catholics who opposed their feting of the Lord Obama.
I don’t know about that. I participated in the authorized protest and there was a lot of opposition to both Notre Dame and the Lord Obama expressed rather forcefully.
 
I don’t know about that. I participated in the authorized protest and there was a lot of opposition to both Notre Dame and the Lord Obama expressed rather forcefully.
You were there, so you have more of a handle on it. The only feedback I received (and I wasn’t there so it’s all just feedback) is that the protest was extremely peaceful, prayerful and respectful, so 🤷.
 
You were there, so you have more of a handle on it. The only feedback I received (and I wasn’t there so it’s all just feedback) is that the protest was extremely peaceful, prayerful and respectful, so 🤷.
By forcefully, I meant words not physical action. It was all that you have heard and wonderful. I was just trying to emphasize that Notre Dame did allow a peaceful protest on its campus which was supported by Bishop D’Arcy. Bishop D’Arcy asked Catholics not to protest outside of the officially approved Notre Dame gathering as a show of respect for the graduating seniors.
 
Yes, I can understand of course that the University has rules that should be respected, but here is a follow up on this same situation:

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/jun/09060406.html

I would say this is “overkill”
Witnesses say that only individuals who bore a pro-life display of protest - including a large cross, photographs of aborted children, and images of Mary - were arrested, while other passersby and pro-Obama demonstrators were allowed to roam free.
This is what free speech is like in a liberalocracy.

People are free to worship Lord Obama in any way they choose to do so.
 
Notre Dame has the legal right to ban as many pro-life protestors from its campus as it chooses to do. Just as it has the legal right to bestow honors on the leaders of the culture of death, so to does it have right to treat pro-life protesters on its campus with scorn and criminal charges.
But does it have the moral right?

The answer is “no”
 
One thing for sure, I would never give one more red cent to this University. I am in hopes of a very very large boycott. Realizing that you can’t change minds and hearts that way, you sure can send a message.😉
 
It seems like there is a bit of misinformation floating around this thread that I’d like to try to clear up…
Without Alan Keyes and Randall Terry nobody would have paid any attention to this event. With their efforts to raise visibility, thousands of people from across America came to protest. Without the “non-official” protest, the event would have passed in media-obscurity.
This is patently false. Have you heard of ND Response? Did you see students from this group being interviewed on FoxNews, among other stations, multiple times in the weeks leading up to graduation? ND Response organized a MUCH LARGER, official, on-campus protest than Keyes and Terry did, and additionally helped to coordinate travel efforts for many groups who came to South Bend to participate.
There is no reason to arrest and press charges against peaceful Catholics assembling on a so-called Catholic university.
If they were part of the official, permitted protest that falls within University guidelines for what is acceptable on its private property, then of course there’s not. But really, as someone who participated in the ND Response activities and Prayer Vigil during Commencement at the Grotto, it really was clear to me that the University bent over backwards to accomodate ND Response’s peaceful protest. No one gave us any trouble!

Why a “peaceful pro-life protester” would feel the need to venture off and trespass in other areas of campus when this great outlet was there is beyond me… 🤷. What could be more important and more urgent than celebrating the Mass and praying the Rosary for the conversion of the President?

That said, I do think that the University should consider dropping the charges as a sort of olive branch gesture so that we can all move on from this whole unfortunate incident.
The “official protest” itself was an attempt to thumb noses as the university. Bishop D’Arcy refused to attend on that very basis.
Again, this is false. Bishop D’Arcy fully supported ND Response’s official protest and said so on multiple occasions. He also participated in many of ND Response’s events, from Eucharistic Adoration on Saturday evening to the Rally for Life on Sunday, where he made an unexpected appearance and speech. Check out the ND Response website and multiple news accounts for more information about Bishop D’Arcy’s actions with ND Response. The students acted with full support of their local bishop.
Two wrongs do not make a right, but in this case – there was no other way to get attention to this serious problem and rally support as much as it did, other than by civil disobedience. The sad part is, our religious leaders should be fully aware of that – and here, I am talking about the 90 or so bishops who publicly opposed Obama’s award at ND.
Not true at all! The sad fact of the matter is that all of these ‘illegal’ protests that resulted in arrests distracted from the great good that was happening at the official, peaceful, on-campus demonstration–to the point that not many of those outside of Notre Dame are even aware that this prayerful witness took place! Our bishops should be aware of all of the students and faculty and thousands who gathered on May 17th to bear prayerful witness against the honoring of President Obama; they should know that at least 25 graduates skipped their own Commencement to instead pray the Rosary at the Grotto out of gratitude for the great education they have received at Notre Dame; they should hear the fantastic speeches offered by several people intimately familiar with Notre Dame at the Sunday Rally–and they should see all of these as signs of great hope for Our Lady’s University!
They are being charged with trespassing, since they protested at times and in areas that were not among the demonstrations which had obtained permits.

The university has legal cause to press charges, but I hope that the St. Thomas More Society is able to convince them against it. The damage is done, it’s time to heal.
Exactly, Havard. Notre Dame, as a private university, is on private property, and it has a well-known prohibition against on-campus protests not organized by students and which have not received the proper permits. Keyes and Terry knew about this prohibition and used it to their advantage. They set out to get arrested, multiple times, because they felt that this was the most effective form of protest. In the end, I don’t believe that it was, and that prayerful witness always wins out, whether it is more noticed by the media or not.
No, Notre Dame wants to rub it in the noses of those Catholics who opposed their feting of the Lord Obama.
If they did, then they wouldn’t have allowed thousands of these Catholics to gather on campus while Commencement was going on.
 
Quesion: Since ND is a private university, who did the arresting: the private university campus police, or the South Bend police? If it’s the South Bend police, then is it possible that it is not the University going ahead with the charges, but the local government? After all, the arresting and procesing of these protesters took up time and money at a time when they needed to focus on security for the president.

Granted, I believe the University should ask the county/city to drop the charges, but it may be that the Universiy doesn’t have as much control over the situation as you might think.
 
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