Novus Ordo & Other Masses

[Defensor_Fidei]

JesseJr:

The ordination rites for priests have likewise been changed, so who knows if they are even valid priests. You should already KNOW this.

Invalid priests “consecrating” with invalid liturgy invalid substances (i.e.) grape juice, flour cookies, dorito chips, etc.

As for those who wrote the novus ordo mess they were all part of that dastardly group the "Rhine Fathers" who superimposed their will on the council (Vatican II) and confiscated it making it the most evil of all meetings in the Church. The liturgical commission was comprised of those 6 Protestant ministers and additional changes were made to the liturgy by another committee...again all from Switzerland and Germany. So there reign your pedantic ravings. Even one of the committee resigned years later stating he was ashamed to belong to it and felt it was ruining and invalidating the liturgy.

The novus ordo is as invalid a mess as it could ever possibly be. Again, invalid ordination rites "consecrating" invalid substance with invalid liturgy=no consecration=no graces

Jesse Jr.
“gig some fish aggie”

Grunerite rubbish…Do all you Grunerites just say the same thing over and over again. :whacky:

Jessie, Why not start a thread in this forum on the ordination rites and show us what you know.

-Ted

 

[katolik]

Defensor Fidei:

Grunerite rubbish…Do all you Grunerites just say the same thing over and over again. :whacky:

Jessie, Why not start a thread in this forum on the ordination rites and show us what you know.

-Ted

Please don’t insult Fr.Gruner. Fr.Gruner is constantly insulted by the "traditio"schismatics as having too much love and respect for the Pope. These invalid priests theories are rejected by most Traditionalists except American sedevacantists and psuedo sedes. Some of these people pose as supporters of the SSPX but are sometimes shocked and appaled when NO priests become SSPX or SSPX associated and aren’t reordained by the SSPX bishops.

Oh yeah once I sent an email to Fr.Gruner and one of the nuns there told me to search for a reverent TLM. Hardly a schismatic traditionalist!

 

[katolik]

JesseJr:

The ordination rites for priests have likewise been changed, so who knows if they are even valid priests. You should already KNOW this.

Invalid priests “consecrating” with invalid liturgy invalid substances (i.e.) grape juice, flour cookies, dorito chips, etc.

As for those who wrote the novus ordo mess they were all part of that dastardly group the “Rhine Fathers” who superimposed their will on the council (Vatican II) and confiscated it making it the most evil of all meetings in the Church. The liturgical commission was comprised of those 6 Protestant ministers and additional changes were made to the liturgy by another committee…again all from Switzerland and Germany. So there reign your pedantic ravings. Even one of the committee resigned years later stating he was ashamed to belong to it and felt it was ruining and invalidating the liturgy.

The novus ordo is as invalid a mess as it could ever possibly be. Again, invalid ordination rites “consecrating” invalid substance with invalid liturgy=no consecration=no graces

Jesse Jr.
“gig some fish aggie”

Nope, Jesse the Novus Ordo is not invalid. Even satanic masses are valid; The question is: Is the Novus Ordo a true expression of the Catholic Faith?

Novus Ordo saying priests are valid! Traditionalists should just not listen to Traditio, that “priest” won’t even tell us who ordained him! He might be a layman posing as a priest

 

[katolik]

kmktexas:

In reference to the OP on the “New Rosary”, I am constantly amazed that this is even an issue for contention. However, increasingly I see this as a topic for derision, especially amoung the SSPX and other ultra-trad sites.

Yes, Our Lady called for more Rosary prayer when she came to Fatima. I have never seen any reference to her saying that the rosary should always contain 15 mysteries, no more or less.

However, even if she HAD said something like that, this is private revalation. While Fatima is an approved apparition, the messages given are not binding on the faithful.

The Rosary itself is primarily a private devotion. The faithful are free to say it in a number of different ways. It has changed a lot over the centuries. The Pope proposed five new mysteries which can add meditation opportunities for those who say the Rosary. If you don’t care for them, don’t say them. Absolutely nothing was taken away from the Rosary. There are people I know who only say the sorrowful mysteries because they prefer to meditate on Christ’s passion. Are they somehow disobeying our Lady? I don’t think so.

As a private devotion, people add to it all the time even when saying it publically in a group. The Fatima prayer is an addition, not part of the “official” rosary. So are the prayers for the Pope, the “O my God, relying on your infinate mercy …” etc. Here in VZ the prayers after the Hail Holy Queen take more time than the whole five mysteries said before the HHQ. The rosary is a wonderfully flexible prayer.

The ONLY possible valid objection that I have ever encoutered involves the indulgences for saying the Rosary. These publications mention the 15 mysteries. However, indulgences are assigned by the Popes so this could easily be changed and may already be included.

 

[Julian_Peters]

Thank you to all those who have participated in this discussion. This thread is now closed.